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Medaka Kurokami vs Jill Presto

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Nothing can be completely immune to something (The Presence basically controls the fate of Lucifer and Michael), but yeah Lucifer is immune to At least High 1-B fate hax
 
Ok so Basanos > Destiny. Gonna have to keep that in mind.

Now to the issue at hand. Can Jill deal with the fact that Medaka will be the 1st one to act? (1 of her skills allows her to always make the 1st move in a match)
 
The difference between the Basanos and Destiny is that Destiny doesnt have free will while the Basanos basically do whatever they want
 
Speed is equal, and "always making the first move" is NLF especially against someone with precog like Jill.
 
Wokistan said:
Speed is equal, and "always making the first move" is NLF especially against someone with precog like Jill.
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Precog is useless here. She can see what's gonna happen but Medaka will be the 1st to react.
 
Speed equalized, and precog meaning Jill will open with her best. It equalizes all speeds. That includes thoughts. With speed equal, the only faster actions than thoughts are passive effects a la Nihlus.
 
Wokistan said:
Speed equalized, and precog meaning Jill will open with her best. It equalizes all speeds. That includes thoughts. With speed equal, the only faster actions than thoughts are passive effects a la Nihlus.
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Hmm true but i doubt this is about speed, more like... Medaka will activate first as in she "starts the battle first".
 
So does she have a passive or what? An ability just described like that doesn't imply anything beyond willingness to instantly start off with an attack on the context of the site here, similarly to how MTG creatures with first or double strike aren't guaranteed first hit and sans doesn't get a free attack.
 
Yeah, that's def not applicable. Sans is the exact same, taking the first move in a game where literally nobody else can, and its at best treated as a speed feat. Due to speed equal, not allowed here.
 
Wokistan said:
Yeah, that's def not applicable. Sans is the exact same, taking the first move in a game where literally nobody else can, and its at best treated as a speed feat. Due to speed equal, not allowed here.
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Should we compare manga and games doe?
 
Yes, since its literally the same thing. A speed feat at best, NLF at worst.
 
Ok so. Speed blitz won't work. (which would make a stomp thread tbh so i agree with this)

Making the 1st move by default is banned.

Medaka invalidating fate is useless, since even though she's unbound by fate she can still be manipulated through fate manipulation. (which i still don't agree with)

Fate Manipulation activates his effects before anything Medaka can do (which i didn't get why, if speed is equalized foreseeing before the match should be banned, how does she have time to look into the future, past and affect it before the other party can even do so much as think)

What can i say then? Medaka is beat. Jill takes this. Oh btw do speed equalized threads go to profiles? I mean in this case u are restricting medaka all her speed abilities.
 
Speed equals can still show up on profiles yeah. She could still win by just hitting Juul with any not hax attack due to that tier 9 dura, she just gets haxxed first.
 
@TheSandman31

1. When The Basanos was unable to do it due to being in Lucifers Creations is not taking away evidence from Medaka's possible victory. I stated before due to the fact that there was "no future" roads for The Basanos to take against Lucifer threat they lost with a bad hand.

So, when Jill is viewing Medaka's possible future and she sees "no future" of completely taking her down death manipulation is useless unless you're able to bring up a plausible defense on how a permanent death can occur against Medaka. This battle is still following Standard Battle Assumption Rules. In other words, Jill's victory must pertain too (Killing the opponent, removing the opponent from the battlefield for at least one week (BFR), knocking the opponent out for at least one hour, or incapacitating the opponent by putting him in a state in which he 'can not' harm the other fighter(s) for over a day, are to be assumed as victory conditions.)

However, her victory isn't going to happen as long as Medaka still has access to All Fiction, Bookmarker, and "The Hero" seeing how its not restricted.

2. @TheSandman31 and @Monarch Laciel

The claims for Medaka unable to copy Jill's powers isn't suffice just because The Basanos is the true holder nor due the league tier, the power stands within.

As stated before in the Hax Resistance. Thread. Especially, due to the fact that Ajimu entire category is unknown is because Vsbattle doesn't want to take claims of her statements or actions legitimate due to Medaka Box meta-fictional parody manga. The dicussion for changing Ajimu's status has been refuted within Vstbattle for years since her profile creation way back in the day. However, if Vsbattle was to accept Ajimu's status as fact. Ajimu would be 1-A. We have debated with top Mods and Antvasima about Ajimu's status, but site rules still turned down the claims because of Medaka box parody rating, this is why Ajimu is will forever be set as Unknown on this website. Old School Thread

However, if the site did allow the changes, Medaka would be even more shown proof of able to copy abilities from someone as high as Jill's. But that isn't necessary because you have yet shown any proof that Medaka is unable to copy Jill's abilities without the higher tier defense, which doesn't fly in vsbattles, especially since the final points in Hax Resistance thread was accepted.
 
Wokistan said:
Speed equals can still show up on profiles yeah. She could still win by just hitting Juul with any not hax attack due to that tier 9 dura, she just gets haxxed first.
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She can win with any hax attack. If you don't have any knowledge on Medaka Kurokami / Medaka Box, i can let u in on some important info sometime. Here are a couple of things that will work on jill that Medaka has : All Fiction - Stated to be able to erase all of existence on a thought.

Bookmaker - An insta win condition.

Power Swap - Just take her 1-B Fate manip and give her the ability to not use abilities xD

And more, jill is only resistent to mind manipulation apparently.
 
@Common

Except that in here, Ajimu is not 1-A. And we go by the profiles here. Hax may not depend on tier, but it does depends on dimensionality. Medaka, according to the profile, does not have the dimensionality to copy the powers of the Basanos. That's why it won't work.
 
LephyrTheRevanchist said:
@Common
Except that in here, Ajimu is not 1-A. And we go by the profiles here. Hax may not depend on tier, but it does depends on dimensionality. Medaka, according to the profile, does not have the dimensionality to copy the powers of the Basanos. That's why it won't work.
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Medaka is not bound by dimensions (same as ajimu). Ajimu doesn't give a shit about anything from what is shown in the series: fate, dimensions, she can even control the narrative, hell she didn't even recognize medaka and the others as acutal ppl and medaka menaged to copy her abilities.
 
Monarch Laciel said:
HOLY SHIT THE WANK IS OFF THE CHARTS
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Srsly doe she is not. She copied Ajimu's ability. (she was bound by dimensions untill she copied that) And the fact that she copied abilities from ajimu who was in a state of existence higher than Medaka, proves that The End can copy even that kind of stuff.
 
Make a CRT thread and make Ajimu 1-A then.

Until then, no. She is bound by dimensions, and any argument you make not on that premise will be ignored
 
Monarch Laciel said:
Make a CRT thread and make Ajimu 1-A then.
Until then, no. She is bound by dimensions, and any argument you make not on that premise will be ignored
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Even though she has "cross dimensions" and "control higher dimensions" skill and she even copied the "dmg doesn't heal skill" (from Iihiko), the author said she got it by watching Iihiko. And Medaka said "Iihiko is of another dimension" yet she copied it.
 
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