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Medaka Box General Discussion

We do have Conceptual Manipulation (Type 2) listed for All Fiction based on it erasing colours. I’m pretty sure colours are generally considered concepts. But then again, I wouldn’t be against the CM2 being “Limited”, we don’t really know if All Fiction can affect other concepts.
 
What does it say? I cannot see the links. 🙏
 
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Never mind. I figured out a way to open them. 🙏
 
Two years ago, Polaristranslations said he intended to translate one of those books after translating the two Shinomonogatari novels. He translated the Shinomonogatari novels a year ago, but we haven't had any updates since then.
 
I want to start from a small assumption, but very Small, medaka box plays in a rather complicated way with the narration making a meta narration that in the other work, this is very clear in volume 14, that is when najimi asks zenkichi if he wants to become the protagonist of the work demonstrating that he knows that they are in a work and not only, the level of meta narration is so high that zenkichi states in the same chapter not only that he wants to be a protagonist but that he wants to become a protagonist like yugi muto and millions of other protagonists. what I just said places najimi on an absolute gigantic meta narrative dimension and a total awareness of the story. I want to start by adding another thing, always within chapter 14 you can see how the work is placed on a level far outside the scale of the basic works that you can take into consideration since they are all aware of being in a story, you will agree with me on the issue of the fact that Najimi is a metaversal entity at least and that she can influence the narration being the one who makes Zenkichi "protagonist" so much so that she herself will say that the perfect protagonist is needed and will influence the narration with Hanten Shiranui (with the power to create any ability and that despite this she takes them from Medaka). As for the abilities that put Najimi in a higher dimension than the others beyond her being outversal, I examined volume 17 of the Medaka Box manga, which has 4 pages entirely dedicated to her and I slowly extrapolated some abilities that basically make this idea, beyond the manipulation of the story, which she has and uses in the work, and this places her at a level much higher than any being, she also has an ability that literally allows her to win against those who are stronger and scale higher than her that literally does what I just told you is written inside volume 17, always inside this chapter it is written as an ability that of interfering with the narration, which sometimes seems to me to be confused with the manipulation of destiny, the narration is a much higher level of it and allows you to influence the story as if you were the writer of the work, in her it transcends the theory of the 12 strings and this associates at least 12 dimensions to that universe and in those pages it is written not only that but also that can obviously create new universes and new worlds but I want to add something starting from the basis of the conceptions of the verse itself, the definitions of the characters of medaka box according to the creator himself should be understood in a metanarrative sense and therefore as if they were in a higher dimension, I would then like to recommend volume 11 in which najimi herself admits that she will never be able to put medaka and that in any work she is taken into consideration she would always be the protagonist, power of the hero that you don't even mention, she even admits that even if she made her abilities completely useless she couldn't win against her. Among other things, during the work there is a growth in the definition of najimi herself, she is a not equal, a category of beings that is part of the categorization of the work and by definition transcends any kind of universe or anything that is taken into consideration and exists in a dimension of its own. Being not equals means transcending the traditional rules of every story and narrative universe, they do not follow conventional rules and they just operate, not equals are entities that do not follow any standard definition or rule or concept, to better understand this you should reread the work starting from the beginning I think but you could still examine volume 11 even if it is not excellent because it is a definition that grows with the work.
As for Najimi's work outside of rules and concepts you can also examine the episode "that" presenter of a season that never existed of Medaka Box with Kumagawa in which she acts as a presenter and also her appearances in volume 10-11.
Having said that you seem to me to greatly underestimate the meta-narration of a work, I have brought you many chapters and volumes to prove this but you will agree that it is much superior to that of the other works and places the work on a very high level of narrative influence and of other people's stories, I hope at least you will recognize this at the end of this discussion.
Medaka copies a good part of najimi's abilities and najimi is influenced by all fiction despite being in a higher dimension and this puts medaka even higher, I find it really ridiculous to see her 8-B according to the vision of this pages and possibly 5-C and even 5-C is absurd and I want to raise the issue.
 
Creating universes and transcending them like Najimi and Medaka do with string theory is already a 1-C feat, plus in chapter 187 we find a scan confirming the existence of alternative universes.
 
The lack of scans is making me kinda confused. Although I will say, Ajimu is not a higher dimensional entity from my memory, especially by herself. Maybe through a skill she is, but it’s too vague.

The only I got from this is Medaka Box having alternate universes, but, there’s only one extra mentioned outside of skills, So it would only give the verse a 2-C cosmology.

Although I can’t really respond to anything else said due to lack of scans (some of this sounds like it could be from the guidebook which is untranslated because idk where some of this comes from)
 
La mancanza di scansioni mi confonde un po'. Anche se devo dire che Ajimu non è un'entità di dimensione superiore, almeno per quanto mi ricordo, soprattutto se considerata da sola. Forse lo è per via di un'abilità, ma è troppo vago.
La mancanza di scansioni mi confonde un po'. Anche se devo dire che Ajimu non è un'entità di dimensione superiore, almeno per quanto mi ricordo, soprattutto se considerata da sola. Forse lo è per via di un'abilità, ma è troppo vago.

L'unica cosa che ho capito è che Medaka Box ha universi alternativi, ma, oltre alle abilità, ne viene menzionato solo uno in più , quindi darebbe al verso solo una cosmologia a 2-C.

Sebbene non possa rispondere a nient'altro di quanto detto a causa della mancanza di scansioni (alcune di queste cose sembrano provenire dalla guida che non è tradotta perché non so da dove provengano)

L'unica cosa che ho capito è che Medaka Box ha universi alternativi, ma, oltre alle abilità, ne viene menzionato solo uno in più , quindi darebbe al verso solo una cosmologia a 2-C.

Sebbene non possa rispondere a nient'altro di quanto detto a causa della mancanza di scansioni (alcune di queste cose sembrano provenire dalla guida che non è tradotta perché non so da dove provengano)
I leave you this link on string theory that gives us the possibility of reaching up to 12 dimensions considering that Najimi transcends them. Now I send you all the reference scans, when I wrote the message I did not know it was possible in the meantime if you can have your opinion because I find really ugly the way this universe is currently scaled and I would like to take it much higher with my arguments.
 
this is about the plot armor which I don't think you've taken into consideration in the right way.
The lack of scans is making me kinda confused. Although I will say, Ajimu is not a higher dimensional entity from my memory, especially by herself. Maybe through a skill she is, but it’s too vague.

The only I got from this is Medaka Box having alternate universes, but, there’s only one extra mentioned outside of skills, So it would only give the verse a 2-C cosmology.

Although I can’t really respond to anything else said due to lack of scans (some of this sounds like it could be from the guidebook which is untranslated because idk where some of this comes from)
 
The lack of scans is making me kinda confused. Although I will say, Ajimu is not a higher dimensional entity from my memory, especially by herself. Maybe through a skill she is, but it’s too vague.

The only I got from this is Medaka Box having alternate universes, but, there’s only one extra mentioned outside of skills, So it would only give the verse a 2-C cosmology.

Although I can’t really respond to anything else said due to lack of scans (some of this sounds like it could be from the guidebook which is untranslated because idk where some of this comes from)
You should also take into consideration all the powers written in this scan.
 
The lack of scans is making me kinda confused. Although I will say, Ajimu is not a higher dimensional entity from my memory, especially by herself. Maybe through a skill she is, but it’s too vague.

The only I got from this is Medaka Box having alternate universes, but, there’s only one extra mentioned outside of skills, So it would only give the verse a 2-C cosmology.

Although I can’t really respond to anything else said due to lack of scans (some of this sounds like it could be from the guidebook which is untranslated because idk where some of this comes from)
at this time najimi was locked up by kumagawa's book maker and that means kumagawa surpasses all the dimensions transcended by najimi, and that medaka copying book maker and all fiction in turn surpasses kumagawa's dimensions, I hope that having read both medaka box you remember this point well.
 
La mancanza di scansioni mi confonde un po'. Anche se devo dire che Ajimu non è un'entità di dimensione superiore, almeno per quanto mi ricordo, soprattutto se considerata da sola. Forse lo è per via di un'abilità, ma è troppo vago.

L'unica cosa che ho capito è che Medaka Box ha universi alternativi, ma, oltre alle abilità, ne viene menzionato solo uno in più , quindi darebbe al verso solo una cosmologia a 2-C.

Sebbene non possa rispondere a nient'altro di quanto detto a causa della mancanza di scansioni (alcune di queste cose sembrano provenire dalla guida che non è tradotta perché non so da dove provengano)
Medaka può creare universi, come confermato anche da te sulla pagina, ed essendo onnisciente si può dire che lo faccia sempre basandosi sulla teoria delle stringhe. Ti lascio qui la scansione che parla della sua creazione di un universo, un'ulteriore conferma dell'esistenza di universi multipli.
 
La mancanza di scansioni mi confonde un po'. Anche se devo dire che Ajimu non è un'entità di dimensione superiore, almeno per quanto mi ricordo, soprattutto se considerata da sola. Forse lo è per via di un'abilità, ma è troppo vago.

L'unica cosa che ho capito è che Medaka Box ha universi alternativi, ma, oltre alle abilità, ne viene menzionato solo uno in più , quindi darebbe al verso solo una cosmologia a 2-C.

Sebbene non possa rispondere a nient'altro di quanto detto a causa della mancanza di scansioni (alcune di queste cose sembrano provenire dalla guida che non è tradotta perché non so da dove provengano)
I also want to send you two scans that further confirm Najimi's enormous metanarrative awareness.
 
as for this the third photo i posted here is to show najimi looking at medaka box from outside. i am not taking into consideration the translation from the shonen jump magazine because i don't know if that translation is official and i don't need it to prove what i'm saying however if someone from the page confirmed it we could also use that for scaling.
I also want to send you two scans that further confirm Najimi's enormous metanarrative awareness.
 
I leave you this link on string theory that gives us the possibility of reaching up to 12 dimensions considering that Najimi transcends them. Now I send you all the reference scans, when I wrote the message I did not know it was possible in the meantime if you can have your opinion because I find really ugly the way this universe is currently scaled and I would like to take it much higher with my arguments.
That comes from Ajimu’s set of skills we don’t use, because we don’t know the actual functions of it beyond the name. Also String Theory alone doesn’t get you Tier 1 anymore (unless the verse is Gurren Lagann, but that verse has an entire cosmology page dedicated to it so)

this is about the plot armor which I don't think you've taken into consideration in the right way.
The scan is not appearing for me, but I’ll guess you’re talking about this? Ajimu describes it as a metaphor tbf, so Medaka’s Plot Armor being an extension of her luck is how it’s treated.


You should also take into consideration all the powers written in this scan.
Same thing, skills we don’t know the effects of.
at this time najimi was locked up by kumagawa's book maker and that means kumagawa surpasses all the dimensions transcended by najimi, and that medaka copying book maker and all fiction in turn surpasses kumagawa's dimensions, I hope that having read both medaka box you remember this point well.
No it doesn’t, Ajimu isn’t a higher dimensional entity herself, there are anti feats towards that. Maybe on the hax level the skills are that strong, but we don’t even know what most of the skills Ajimu has even do.
Medaka can create universes, as you also confirmed on the page, and being omniscient it can be said that she always does it based on string theory. I leave you here the scan that talks about her creation of a universe, a further confirmation of the existence of multiple universes.

Again, same issue with Ajimu’s skill set, we don’t know what the skills in question actually do.
I also want to send you two scans that further confirm Najimi's enormous metanarrative awareness.

Pretty sure there was an entire thing going on about how Ajimu has a “simulated reality” delusion or something due to being so powerful, but it’s been a while and I’d need to find the scan again. The entire meta awareness thing is always kinda weird because it’s either she’s delusional or isn’t, not sure which one it is.

Also for the walls of text, there’s a lot of reasons we do not use them.
 
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Questo deriva dall'insieme di abilità di Ajimu che non usiamo, perché non ne conosciamo le funzioni effettive oltre al nome. Inoltre, la sola Teoria delle Stringhe non ti fa più raggiungere il Livello 1 (a meno che il verso non sia Gurren Lagann, ma quel verso ha un'intera pagina di cosmologia dedicata, quindi).


La scansione non mi appare, ma immagino che tu stia parlando di questo . Ajimu la descrive come una metafora, a dire il vero, quindi l'armatura di Medaka, come estensione della sua fortuna, viene trattata così.



Lo stesso vale per le competenze di cui non conosciamo gli effetti.

No, non è così, Ajimu non è un'entità di dimensione superiore, ci sono delle contromisure in questo senso. Forse a livello di hacking le abilità sono così forti, ma non sappiamo nemmeno a cosa servano la maggior parte delle abilità di Ajimu.

Di nuovo, lo stesso problema riguarda le abilità di Ajimu: non sappiamo a cosa servono realmente le abilità in questione.

Sono abbastanza sicuro che ci fosse un'intera storia su come Ajimu abbia un delirio di "realtà simulata" o qualcosa del genere a causa della sua potenza, ma è passato un po' di tempo e dovrei ritrovare la scansione. Tutta la questione della meta-consapevolezza è sempre un po' strana perché o è delirante o non lo è, non so bene quale delle due.

Anche per quanto riguarda i muri di testo, ci sono molte ragioni per cui non li utilizziamo.
1) the second point I want to address is that I don't think you understood but the string theory cited by najimi would not make her transcend a single dimension and here I leave you a more detailed explanation of it. The Dimensions of Medaka Box have 10 Dimensions inside them, according to the basic model of the Super-String Theory. surpassing them all places najimi 11 D. Kumagawa being able to hit najimi can be placed 12D and also medaka because the same thing happens. here I will leave you two links below where it highlights the abilities.

2) the third point is I send you a character who watches the creation of the big bang and therefore the birth of his universe and you tell me that these are delusions of omnipotence. she who watches us and greets us from the anime for you is a delusion of omnipotence. no for me it is called awareness of the fourth wall very clear and it seems to me that you are nerfing the whole verse and that's it because saying that it is a delusion of omnipotence in this case makes no sense at all.

3) I want to raise a fourth point, that is, what you are saying about the plot armor and the metaphor issue makes no sense because Najimi will create the anti-protagonist specifically for Zenkichi and Zenkichi will compare himself to other anime protagonists in the work, so telling me in your answer that this is a metaphor for a statement of his later makes no sense, Medaka has an ability called hero and gives her that peculiarity. you are the only powerscaling page to put Medaka box so low 8-B, don't you wonder if your interpretations about this work are completely wrong maybe? then it makes no sense not to take into consideration Najimi's abilities because many of them are explainable as overcoming the super string theory which as I already told you does not only put her in a higher dimension.
 
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the statement that i found most senseless is najimi's delusions of omnipotence and i'll send you another thing that shows that he is aware of the external world and therefore acts on a metanarrative level, not to mention the fact that he is the transcendental character according to the scan i'll leave you below.
 
This is stuff that's already been brought up and responded to many times in the past. You can see that hinted at in our Discussion Rules:
Do not try to upgrade Ajimu Najimi and Hanten Shiranui to unreasonably extreme degrees or use them in serious versus threads, as they originate in a metafictional parody manga revolving around deconstructing, circumventing, dissecting, and exaggerating plot conveniences that do not remotely make sense from a powerscaling perspective.
And in Ajimu Najimi's own profile:
You're taking these zero-context skills seriously for no reason, interpreting them in ways which are unjustified given their little context, and ignoring the contradictions that come about with taking those skills seriously.

You also ignore how the entire point of Ajimu's primary arc is of how her belief that the world is fictional is one she derived from her strength, not one she was able to directly observe. It's something she's trying to disprove by doing the impossible. That simply does not make sense with the idea that she's directly aware of its fictional nature; if she was she would have no reason to try to disprove that conclusion.

It's not "nerfing the whole verse for no reason", it's having an understanding of her character arc and motivations.
 
This is stuff that's already been brought up and responded to many times in the past. You can see that hinted at in our Discussion Rules:

And in Ajimu Najimi's own profile:

You're taking these zero-context skills seriously for no reason, interpreting them in ways which are unjustified given their little context, and ignoring the contradictions that come about with taking those skills seriously.

You also ignore how the entire point of Ajimu's primary arc is of how her belief that the world is fictional is one she derived from her strength, not one she was able to directly observe. It's something she's trying to disprove by doing the impossible. That simply does not make sense with the idea that she's directly aware of its fictional nature; if she was she would have no reason to try to disprove that conclusion.

It's not "nerfing the whole verse for no reason", it's having an understanding of her character arc and motivations.
you understand that i am sending you she who greets you from a tv and you are telling me that it is a belief of the character. no it is about weakening the whole verse for no reason if you come to tell me something completely wrong about a character like najimi. I literally sent you a scan where najimi greets you and thanks you for having seen medaka box and you say that these are delusions of omnipotence. i am saying this for you because medaka 8-B possibly 5-C is funny and then you take saitama seriously and I find him scaled very high. sorry but it is senseless, on the contrary it is about not understanding najimi what you are telling me and not understanding her. no delusions of omnipotence, a person who with his presence has crushed the ground and in medaka box other dimensions are mentioned a thousand times, yes, what you are doing by stopping me is lowering the power of a verse for no reason. I sent you najimi who greets you in front of a screen, this objectively demonstrates that he is aware of the fourth wall and all medaka box would not make sense if as you say they were his delusions of omnipotence, he would not even have created the anti-tagonist. yet the scans I sent seem very clear to me eh.
 
you understand that i am sending you she who greets you from a tv and you are telling me that it is a belief of the character. no it is about weakening the whole verse for no reason if you come to tell me something completely wrong about a character like najimi. I literally sent you a scan where najimi greets you and thanks you for having seen medaka box and you say that these are delusions of omnipotence.
I'm directing you to Chapter 140, the culmination of her character arc, where it's explicitly explained that her view of reality as fictional is a delusion driven by her overwhelming power, and that she's trying to contradict that view by doing the impossible. And where she seconds that, continuing the explanation, agreeing with it.

I agree that the TV scene points towards her having legitimate fourth-wall awareness, but the culmination of her character arc is far stronger evidence.

Especially when you consider how the author (Nisio Isin) writes similar fourth-wall breaking stuff in his other series, without them actually making the characters transcendent or giving them genuine lasting awareness of the broader plot events. Both his Monogatari series and Zaregoto series have "commentary tracks", where the characters themselves watch the shows and comment on them. These are also sometimes referenced in later books, and short stories. Yet this doesn't stop the characters being blindsided by plot events when they actually come around, even if that fourth-wall awareness should've granted them knowledge over that. And it also doesn't make half the cast somehow transcend their own reality.
a person who with his presence has crushed the ground and in medaka box other dimensions are mentioned a thousand times
Neither of those are relevant ways of getting higher ratings.
and all medaka box would not make sense if as you say they were his delusions of omnipotence, he would not even have created the anti-tagonist. yet the scans I sent seem very clear to me eh.
That doesn't follow. She can try to create an anti-protagonist simply because she believes the world is fictional, even if she doesn't have a good reason for doing so. She could also do that simply because the laws of the world act in that sort of way, and she's trying to exploit them.
 
I'm directing you to Chapter 140, the culmination of her character arc, where it's explicitly explained that her view of reality as fictional is a delusion driven by her overwhelming power, and that she's trying to contradict that view by doing the impossible. And where she seconds that, continuing the explanation, agreeing with it.

I agree that the TV scene points towards her having legitimate fourth-wall awareness, but the culmination of her character arc is far stronger evidence.

Especially when you consider how the author (Nisio Isin) writes similar fourth-wall breaking stuff in his other series, without them actually making the characters transcendent or giving them genuine lasting awareness of the broader plot events. Both his Monogatari series and Zaregoto series have "commentary tracks", where the characters themselves watch the shows and comment on them. These are also sometimes referenced in later books, and short stories. Yet this doesn't stop the characters being blindsided by plot events when they actually come around, even if that fourth-wall awareness should've granted them knowledge over that. And it also doesn't make half the cast somehow transcend their own reality.

Neither of those are relevant ways of getting higher ratings.

That doesn't follow. She can try to create an anti-protagonist simply because she believes the world is fictional, even if she doesn't have a good reason for doing so. She could also do that simply because the laws of the world act in that sort of way, and she's trying to exploit them.
Even rereading the whole chapter 140 it seems clear as day to me that Najimi is aware of being in a manga. If it were as you say how would she be aware that the Anime of Medaka Box will soon be released in the scene that I will link below. The vision of Najimi as delusions of omnipotence makes no sense at all, in fact the chapter that you sent me to read does the opposite and confirms that she knows she is in a manga, moreover you yourself confirmed that the fact that she is watching from the TV is objectively an awareness of the fourth wall, if you add this the vision you are proposing of the character remains senseless. I wanted to point out that taking into consideration the text of Najimi's abilities makes perfect sense if they are explainable, surpassing the super string theory as I have pointed out in all my messages is a clear thing and it is as I wrote it there is nothing that can demonstrate that it is not so. Najimi can't have delusions of omnipotence or he wouldn't know that the Anime is coming out, the scaling of Najimi on this page absolutely needs to be changed as it doesn't make sense.
 
I'm directing you to Chapter 140, the culmination of her character arc, where it's explicitly explained that her view of reality as fictional is a delusion driven by her overwhelming power, and that she's trying to contradict that view by doing the impossible. And where she seconds that, continuing the explanation, agreeing with it.

I agree that the TV scene points towards her having legitimate fourth-wall awareness, but the culmination of her character arc is far stronger evidence.

Especially when you consider how the author (Nisio Isin) writes similar fourth-wall breaking stuff in his other series, without them actually making the characters transcendent or giving them genuine lasting awareness of the broader plot events. Both his Monogatari series and Zaregoto series have "commentary tracks", where the characters themselves watch the shows and comment on them. These are also sometimes referenced in later books, and short stories. Yet this doesn't stop the characters being blindsided by plot events when they actually come around, even if that fourth-wall awareness should've granted them knowledge over that. And it also doesn't make half the cast somehow transcend their own reality.

Neither of those are relevant ways of getting higher ratings.

That doesn't follow. She can try to create an anti-protagonist simply because she believes the world is fictional, even if she doesn't have a good reason for doing so. She could also do that simply because the laws of the world act in that sort of way, and she's trying to exploit them.
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This is talking about Styles, which are based on words, the dimensions thing is basically a metaphor as far as I can tell.
you understand that super string theory is not a metaphor, it is a fact. you can't tell me that medaka box's powers are metaphors if najimi watched the universe being born and made a star explode, it makes no sense, moreover if in the work 800 times higher dimensions are mentioned it makes no sense to talk about metaphors because the scan I sent you is very clear and moreover by referring to super string theory the entire universe must be rescaled. as far as the styles are concerned it is very clear they come from higher dimensions in fact they cannot be influenced by many characters initially and this is precisely because they come from higher dimensions and the scan I sent you is a confirmation of this.
 
Even rereading the whole chapter 140 it seems clear as day to me that Najimi is aware of being in a manga. If it were as you say how would she be aware that the Anime of Medaka Box will soon be released in the scene that I will link below.
She isn't actually aware of it. We see from the time that Zenkichi uses Parasite Seeing on Ajimu that she doesn't literally see the other characters as fictional, she just sees them as worthless.

She has no direct perception of that. Metatextually, we're aware of how that coincidence lines up, but within the text itself, she isn't actually aware.
The vision of Najimi as delusions of omnipotence makes no sense at all, in fact the chapter that you sent me to read does the opposite and confirms that she knows she is in a manga
Here are the events of that chapter:
  1. Medaka stops Ajimu from killing herself.
  2. Medaka and Kamome explain that Ajimu has the "Simulated Reality" complex, where people who see things that are too perfect begin to believe they're living in a fictional world. Eventually these people realise that they're wrong, but Ajimu actually believes this.
  3. Ajimu crafted the events of the past arc, and submitted certain Not Equals, to hint at this view of hers. Ajimu did this to make it more manga-like.
  4. Medaka explains that usually people will realise they're wrong when they experience misfortune, but that Ajimu is too strong for that, and so she sought out the impossible. The Flask Plan was her latest attempt at this. She was hoping to fail, to prove that something would be impossible for her, to prove that the world is real.
  5. The entire student body base yells "THERE'S NO WAY THIS WORLD IS JUST A MANGA!"
  6. Ajimu dismisses them as not real, then begins to recount, I'm going to bold this and link to it since it's that important. She says that because she was so blessed to be born from nothing, and to have a universe appear, that there's no way the world could be real. We are literally, explicitly told that her view of the world as fictional is a conclusion she drew, and we're told the evidence she had for this, which is not direct meta-awareness.
  7. She then explains that she purposefully tried to find something impossible. And that upon not finding anything impossible, she found the fake world too boring, and so decided to kill herself.
  8. Medaka admonishes Ajimu for this, says she won't let Ajimu die, and so her impossibility will be her killing herself. Medaka will use Ajimu's life to teach her about reality.
  9. Ajimu agrees that dying is still an impossibility for her, and the last self-imposed Bookmaker screw dissolves.
HOW DOES THIS MAKE ANY SENSE IF SHE LITERALLY SEES IT AS FICTION??????

Explain how she can say that because she was so blessed, that there's no way the world could be real, if she literally had fourth-wall awareness.

Explain why she would kill herself after proving the world is fake by not finding anything impossible to do, if she literally had fourth-wall awareness.

It's like you're stopping at her saying "I don't feel any reality from you people" and not processing anything else in the chapter.
moreover you yourself confirmed that the fact that she is watching from the TV is objectively an awareness of the fourth wall, if you add this the vision you are proposing of the character remains senseless.
Yeah it sucks that Nisio muddled things up by having that TV-watching scene. But that narrative framing for an anime episode has no reason to be given more weight than the culmination of her arc which explicitly and repeatedly says that she has no direct meta-awareness.

It's not a vision I'm pulling from nowhere, it's one I'm grabbing straight from the the text of the most important scene about her character.
I wanted to point out that taking into consideration the text of Najimi's abilities makes perfect sense if they are explainable, surpassing the super string theory as I have pointed out in all my messages is a clear thing and it is as I wrote it there is nothing that can demonstrate that it is not so.
That has absolutely no relation to the other arguments you're making.
you understand that super string theory is not a metaphor, it is a fact.
it makes no sense to talk about metaphors because the scan I sent you is very clear and moreover by referring to super string theory the entire universe must be rescaled.
  1. It's the name of a skill. It has zero relation to the mechanics of their physical reality.
  2. Its brief description is "Thread governing skill", its name referencing string theory is just a play on words, not a serious statement about the cosmology of reality.
  3. Its brief description is "Thread governing skill", there's no reason to believe that, simply because of the name, she can do anything about string theory.
  4. Even if it did have something about her being able to mess with string theory, string theory is a theory for our physical reality, and so fictional universes in line with it will still be rated similarly to the destruction of our reality; destroying/creating a string theory universe is only a 3-A feat, since the extra dimensions are compactified.
  5. Even if it was a noteworthy feat, it would not in any way support the idea that she sees the world as fictional; those two ideas are largely uncorrelated.
  6. The name of that ability was mistranslated, as you can read in the raws, it's actually "Hyper String Theory" (ハイパーストリングテオリー). There is no physical theory called "hyper string theory".
you can't tell me that medaka box's powers are metaphors if najimi watched the universe being born and made a star explode, it makes no sense
It's not the power itself being a metaphor, it's that comment about the power.
moreover if in the work 800 times higher dimensions are mentioned
lmao no they aren't. I think it's used once or twice as a metaphor for Iihiko's power, and that's it.
as far as the styles are concerned it is very clear they come from higher dimensions
No. Most of them came from Fukurou Tsurubami, one of them came from Kamome Tsurubami, and Medaka managed to mimic one of Fukurou's. These were just powers that humans developed.
in fact they cannot be influenced by many characters initially
Yes they can. The only weird interactions styles have are with Medaka (due to her not being able to communicate in a human-way, especially initially), and with Iihiko (due to communication being able to reach him, while abnormalities and minuses can't).

We regularly see characters interact with and influence styles. There's absolutely nothing preventing that. They're simply a different set of powers in the series.
and this is precisely because they come from higher dimensions and the scan I sent you is a confirmation of this.
No it isn't. It's an awkward bit of translation, from a translation which was notoriously riddled with errors. From reading the raws and knowing the context, while 次元 can mean "dimension", it can also mean "perspective", and 越える simply means crossing boundaries. Physically that means, like, water overflowing a river, or a plane flying across the ocean. More abstractly, it can mean understanding something which previously wasn't understood, helping people with different backgrounds understand where the other is coming from.

You fundamentally cannot get "this ability originates in higher dimensions" from that, no matter how much you torture the words.

In fact, we can get a meaning from it which is exactly in line with the themes of that part of Medaka Box.
Given all of that context, doesn't it seem likely that the translation of that line should actually be something like "even when a style connects with his perspective"? Why would the author invoke higher dimensions out of nowhere, especially when one of the primary ideas of this part of the series is how styles are communication, exploring how different characters engage with and are capable of that.


EDIT: nvm, talked to a translator who said that line was just a way of saying "on another level" or "overpowered".




Also, even if you were right about Ajimu having some sort of meta-aware perspective, this seems to confer no meaningful physical benefit to her, and 1-A's strict standards on anti-feats would prevent her from ever getting that tier through "seeing Medaka Box as fiction".

Trust me, we have thought about this far more than you have. The arguments you have presented, and many more, have been brought to us over the years. They are not on the profiles because even better arguments have been presented. Ones that don't rely on torturing one-off statements and bad translations.
 
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She isn't actually aware of it. We see from the time that Zenkichi uses Parasite Seeing on Ajimu that she doesn't literally see the other characters as fictional, she just sees them as worthless.

She has no direct perception of that. Metatextually, we're aware of how that coincidence lines up, but within the text itself, she isn't actually aware.

Here are the events of that chapter:
  1. Medaka stops Ajimu from killing herself.
  2. Medaka and Kamome explain that Ajimu has the "Simulated Reality" complex, where people who see things that are too perfect begin to believe they're living in a fictional world. Eventually these people realise that they're wrong, but Ajimu actually believes this.
  3. Ajimu crafted the events of the past arc, and submitted certain Not Equals, to hint at this view of hers. Ajimu did this to make it more manga-like.
  4. Medaka explains that usually people will realise they're wrong when they experience misfortune, but that Ajimu is too strong for that, and so she sought out the impossible. The Flask Plan was her latest attempt at this. She was hoping to fail, to prove that something would be impossible for her, to prove that the world is real.
  5. The entire student body base yells "THERE'S NO WAY THIS WORLD IS JUST A MANGA!"
  6. Ajimu dismisses them as not real, then begins to recount, I'm going to bold this and link to it since it's that important. She says that because she was so blessed to be born from nothing, and to have a universe appear, that there's no way the world could be real. We are literally, explicitly told that her view of the world as fictional is a conclusion she drew, and we're told the evidence she had for this, which is not direct meta-awareness.
  7. She then explains that she purposefully tried to find something impossible. And that upon not finding anything impossible, she found the fake world too boring, and so decided to kill herself.
  8. Medaka admonishes Ajimu for this, says she won't let Ajimu die, and so her impossibility will be her killing herself. Medaka will use Ajimu's life to teach her about reality.
  9. Ajimu agrees that dying is still an impossibility for her, and the last self-imposed Bookmaker screw dissolves.
HOW DOES THIS MAKE ANY SENSE IF SHE LITERALLY SEES IT AS FICTION??????

Explain how she can say that because she was so blessed, that there's no way the world could be real, if she literally had fourth-wall awareness.

Explain why she would kill herself after proving the world is fake by not finding anything impossible to do, if she literally had fourth-wall awareness.

It's like you're stopping at her saying "I don't feel any reality from you people" and not processing anything else in the chapter.

Yeah it sucks that Nisio muddled things up by having that TV-watching scene. But that narrative framing for an anime episode has no reason to be given more weight than the culmination of her arc which explicitly and repeatedly says that she has no direct meta-awareness.

It's not a vision I'm pulling from nowhere, it's one I'm grabbing straight from the the text of the most important scene about her character.

That has absolutely no relation to the other arguments you're making.


  1. It's the name of a skill. It has zero relation to the mechanics of their physical reality.
  2. Its brief description is "Thread governing skill", its name referencing string theory is just a play on words, not a serious statement about the cosmology of reality.
  3. Its brief description is "Thread governing skill", there's no reason to believe that, simply because of the name, she can do anything about string theory.
  4. Even if it did have something about her being able to mess with string theory, string theory is a theory for our physical reality, and so fictional universes in line with it will still be rated similarly to the destruction of our reality; destroying/creating a string theory universe is only a 3-A feat, since the extra dimensions are compactified.
  5. Even if it was a noteworthy feat, it would not in any way support the idea that she sees the world as fictional; those two ideas are largely uncorrelated.
  6. The name of that ability was mistranslated, as you can read in the raws, it's actually "Hyper String Theory" (ハイパーストリングテオリー). There is no physical theory called "hyper string theory".

It's not the power itself being a metaphor, it's that comment about the power.

lmao no they aren't. I think it's used once or twice as a metaphor for Iihiko's power, and that's it.

No. Most of them came from Fukurou Tsurubami, one of them came from Kamome Tsurubami, and Medaka managed to mimic one of Fukurou's. These were just powers that humans developed.

Yes they can. The only weird interactions styles have are with Medaka (due to her not being able to communicate in a human-way, especially initially), and with Iihiko (due to communication being able to reach him, while abnormalities and minuses can't).

We regularly see characters interact with and influence styles. There's absolutely nothing preventing that. They're simply a different set of powers in the series.

No it isn't. It's an awkward bit of translation, from a translation which was notoriously riddled with errors. From reading the raws and knowing the context, while 次元 can mean "dimension", it can also mean "perspective", and 越える simply means crossing boundaries. Physically that means, like, water overflowing a river, or a plane flying across the ocean. More abstractly, it can mean understanding something which previously wasn't understood, helping people with different backgrounds understand where the other is coming from.

You fundamentally cannot get "this ability originates in higher dimensions" from that, no matter how much you torture the words.

In fact, we can get a meaning from it which is exactly in line with the themes of that part of Medaka Box.
Given all of that context, doesn't it seem likely that the translation of that line should actually be something like "even when a style connects with his perspective"? Why would the author invoke higher dimensions out of nowhere, especially when one of the primary ideas of this part of the series is how styles are communication, exploring how different characters engage with and are capable of that.




Also, even if you were right about Ajimu having some sort of meta-aware perspective, this seems to confer no meaningful physical benefit to her, and 1-A's strict standards on anti-feats would prevent her from ever getting that tier through "seeing Medaka Box as fiction".

Trust me, we have thought about this far more than you have. The arguments you have presented, and many more, have been brought to us over the years. They are not on the profiles because even better arguments have been presented. Ones that don't rely on torturing one-off statements and bad translations.
All the arguments you have proposed to me are fictitious interpretations that are denied by my photo of her looking at you from the TV, by the fact that she literally talks about being born before the universe and you are the first to confirm this even in the wikis. everything you have brought against me at this moment is very weak also and above all because between one chapter and another Najimi appears who also speaks to you in the manga and in addition in the anime there is not only that scene in which Najimi speaks to you from the TV. you have a way of scaling Najimi that from what you told me should be based on what? on the fact that everywhere it is called string theory and that it is clearly said that she surpasses dimensions. you have brought very weak arguments to contest the clear awareness of the fourth wall that I brought you. Furthermore it is also expressly said that she surpasses dimensions in a Scan that I have already sent you so I wonder what your foundations should be based on? it's not taking something without context it's ignoring what happens in medaka box what you're doing because medaka is always defined as the protagonist of the work and it's clear as day that this thing wouldn't happen if it were as you say and najimi suffered from delusions. You're literally scaling a character based on your assumptions about reading it, please realize that this is wrong and that half of the things you said are not objective while what I showed you about her abilities and awareness is and none of the arguments you brought are valid enough to disprove this. the way the entire medaka box universe is scaled on this page is absolutely wrong and superstring theory exists, as I'll leave you below in case you want to continue arguing with me. realize that everything you said makes no logical sense because the basis on which it should rest are your assumptions. better to bring translations than assumptions to confirm this and wrong readings of the character. that chapter doesn't confirm this, but simply that many people can't understand his awareness of the fourth wall, which is made clear to you everywhere throughout the work and which he maintains even afterwards since even just knowing that you're in a shonen jump shonen confirms what I'm saying and I've already sent you a thousand scans in favor of this.
 
according to string theory you should already bring it to 11D. It doesn't just increase by one dimension but by 10, and going beyond that brings it to 11D.
She isn't actually aware of it. We see from the time that Zenkichi uses Parasite Seeing on Ajimu that she doesn't literally see the other characters as fictional, she just sees them as worthless.

She has no direct perception of that. Metatextually, we're aware of how that coincidence lines up, but within the text itself, she isn't actually aware.

Here are the events of that chapter:
  1. Medaka stops Ajimu from killing herself.
  2. Medaka and Kamome explain that Ajimu has the "Simulated Reality" complex, where people who see things that are too perfect begin to believe they're living in a fictional world. Eventually these people realise that they're wrong, but Ajimu actually believes this.
  3. Ajimu crafted the events of the past arc, and submitted certain Not Equals, to hint at this view of hers. Ajimu did this to make it more manga-like.
  4. Medaka explains that usually people will realise they're wrong when they experience misfortune, but that Ajimu is too strong for that, and so she sought out the impossible. The Flask Plan was her latest attempt at this. She was hoping to fail, to prove that something would be impossible for her, to prove that the world is real.
  5. The entire student body base yells "THERE'S NO WAY THIS WORLD IS JUST A MANGA!"
  6. Ajimu dismisses them as not real, then begins to recount, I'm going to bold this and link to it since it's that important. She says that because she was so blessed to be born from nothing, and to have a universe appear, that there's no way the world could be real. We are literally, explicitly told that her view of the world as fictional is a conclusion she drew, and we're told the evidence she had for this, which is not direct meta-awareness.
  7. She then explains that she purposefully tried to find something impossible. And that upon not finding anything impossible, she found the fake world too boring, and so decided to kill herself.
  8. Medaka admonishes Ajimu for this, says she won't let Ajimu die, and so her impossibility will be her killing herself. Medaka will use Ajimu's life to teach her about reality.
  9. Ajimu agrees that dying is still an impossibility for her, and the last self-imposed Bookmaker screw dissolves.
HOW DOES THIS MAKE ANY SENSE IF SHE LITERALLY SEES IT AS FICTION??????

Explain how she can say that because she was so blessed, that there's no way the world could be real, if she literally had fourth-wall awareness.

Explain why she would kill herself after proving the world is fake by not finding anything impossible to do, if she literally had fourth-wall awareness.

It's like you're stopping at her saying "I don't feel any reality from you people" and not processing anything else in the chapter.

Yeah it sucks that Nisio muddled things up by having that TV-watching scene. But that narrative framing for an anime episode has no reason to be given more weight than the culmination of her arc which explicitly and repeatedly says that she has no direct meta-awareness.

It's not a vision I'm pulling from nowhere, it's one I'm grabbing straight from the the text of the most important scene about her character.

That has absolutely no relation to the other arguments you're making.


  1. It's the name of a skill. It has zero relation to the mechanics of their physical reality.
  2. Its brief description is "Thread governing skill", its name referencing string theory is just a play on words, not a serious statement about the cosmology of reality.
  3. Its brief description is "Thread governing skill", there's no reason to believe that, simply because of the name, she can do anything about string theory.
  4. Even if it did have something about her being able to mess with string theory, string theory is a theory for our physical reality, and so fictional universes in line with it will still be rated similarly to the destruction of our reality; destroying/creating a string theory universe is only a 3-A feat, since the extra dimensions are compactified.
  5. Even if it was a noteworthy feat, it would not in any way support the idea that she sees the world as fictional; those two ideas are largely uncorrelated.
  6. The name of that ability was mistranslated, as you can read in the raws, it's actually "Hyper String Theory" (ハイパーストリングテオリー). There is no physical theory called "hyper string theory".

It's not the power itself being a metaphor, it's that comment about the power.

lmao no they aren't. I think it's used once or twice as a metaphor for Iihiko's power, and that's it.

No. Most of them came from Fukurou Tsurubami, one of them came from Kamome Tsurubami, and Medaka managed to mimic one of Fukurou's. These were just powers that humans developed.

Yes they can. The only weird interactions styles have are with Medaka (due to her not being able to communicate in a human-way, especially initially), and with Iihiko (due to communication being able to reach him, while abnormalities and minuses can't).

We regularly see characters interact with and influence styles. There's absolutely nothing preventing that. They're simply a different set of powers in the series.

No it isn't. It's an awkward bit of translation, from a translation which was notoriously riddled with errors. From reading the raws and knowing the context, while 次元 can mean "dimension", it can also mean "perspective", and 越える simply means crossing boundaries. Physically that means, like, water overflowing a river, or a plane flying across the ocean. More abstractly, it can mean understanding something which previously wasn't understood, helping people with different backgrounds understand where the other is coming from.

You fundamentally cannot get "this ability originates in higher dimensions" from that, no matter how much you torture the words.

In fact, we can get a meaning from it which is exactly in line with the themes of that part of Medaka Box.
Given all of that context, doesn't it seem likely that the translation of that line should actually be something like "even when a style connects with his perspective"? Why would the author invoke higher dimensions out of nowhere, especially when one of the primary ideas of this part of the series is how styles are communication, exploring how different characters engage with and are capable of that.




Also, even if you were right about Ajimu having some sort of meta-aware perspective, this seems to confer no meaningful physical benefit to her, and 1-A's strict standards on anti-feats would prevent her from ever getting that tier through "seeing Medaka Box as fiction".

Trust me, we have thought about this far more than you have. The arguments you have presented, and many more, have been brought to us over the years. They are not on the profiles because even better arguments have been presented. Ones that don't rely on torturing one-off statements and bad translations.
 
I think that Agnaa makes sense here. 🙏
 
I think that Agnaa makes sense here. 🙏
you can't base your ranking on misinterpretations of a character, you should base it on facts, not to mention that not taking into account the abilities that were written in the work scans is nonsense. i'm sending you najimi waving from a tv and you're telling me he has delusions of omnipotence? this thing doesn't make sense.
 
according to string theory you should already bring it to 11D. It doesn't just increase by one dimension but by 10, and going beyond that brings it to 11D.
String Theory by default doesn’t give you Tier 1 stuff anymore. Other verses like Homestuck had like one mention of string theory, and it ended up getting downgraded from High 1-C/1-B to Low 1-C (until it became 1-A later on for other arguments), and that’s where it peaked for a while. Why is Medaka Box any different?

Like, there isn’t anything that elaborates if the verse actually runs on string theory. Like, does it use brane cosmology? Clearly not because we aren’t told that at all.

Also, like Agnaa said, even if we were to say Ajimu had this awareness, she doesn’t scale to any of that physically, she is still a 3D being like everyone else. And even if she were higher dimensional, it’s only through hax, she isn’t always at that level.
 
what you said contradicts itself because you are telling me that string theory alone is enough to say that this verse should not be there, plus in reality the fact that string theory is mentioned and then there are scans like the others that I sent to talk about beings of higher dimensionality place najimi on 11d and therefore it should be scaled in a completely different way.
String Theory by default doesn’t give you Tier 1 stuff anymore. Other verses like Homestuck had like one mention of string theory, and it ended up getting downgraded from High 1-C/1-B to Low 1-C (until it became 1-A later on for other arguments), and that’s where it peaked for a while. Why is Medaka Box any different?

Like, there isn’t anything that elaborates if the verse actually runs on string theory. Like, does it use brane cosmology? Clearly not because we aren’t told that at all.

Also, like Agnaa said, even if we were to say Ajimu had this awareness, she doesn’t scale to any of that physically, she is still a 3D being like everyone else. And even if she were higher dimensional, it’s only through hax, she isn’t always at that level.
 
by the fact that she literally talks about being born before the universe
That doesn't support her seeing the world in fiction, in any way.
on the fact that everywhere it is called string theory and that it is clearly said that she surpasses dimensions
Furthermore it is also expressly said that she surpasses dimensions in a Scan that I have already sent you
There isn't a scan saying she "surpasses dimensions". The scan you posted earlier was talking about the style Zenkichi was using, Contradictory Conjunction, and a better translation wouldn't even say that.
it's ignoring what happens in medaka box what you're doing because medaka is always defined as the protagonist of the work and it's clear as day that this thing wouldn't happen if it were as you say and najimi suffered from delusions.
A bunch of other characters also talk about certain characters being "protagonists". Maguro, Akune, Naze, and Kamome all talk about that sort of thing. It's clearly just a fixture of the world, Ajimu herself even says it's an analogy, and we know that it's a phenomenon that occurs every 1000 years, since we later see Iihiko flash back to the other similar protagonists he defeated every 1000 years. If it's literally a fictional world, there's no good reason for it to only have protagonists every 1000 years.
the way the entire medaka box universe is scaled on this page is absolutely wrong and superstring theory exists, as I'll leave you below in case you want to continue arguing with me
This doesn't engage with my counterarguments at all. I listed half a dozen reasons why that wrong, and now you're just reiterating the original claim.
which he maintains even afterwards since even just knowing that you're in a shonen jump shonen confirms what I'm saying
Kumagawa also makes a bunch of meta references to Shounen Jump manga stuff.
 
That doesn't support her seeing the world in fiction, in any way.


There isn't a scan saying she "surpasses dimensions". The scan you posted earlier was talking about the style Zenkichi was using, Contradictory Conjunction, and a better translation wouldn't even say that.

A bunch of other characters also talk about certain characters being "protagonists". Maguro, Akune, Naze, and Kamome all talk about that sort of thing. It's clearly just a fixture of the world, Ajimu herself even says it's an analogy, and we know that it's a phenomenon that occurs every 1000 years, since we later see Iihiko flash back to the other similar protagonists he defeated every 1000 years. If it's literally a fictional world, there's no good reason for it to only have protagonists every 1000 years.

This doesn't engage with my counterarguments at all. I listed half a dozen reasons why that wrong, and now you're just reiterating the original claim.

Kumagawa also makes a bunch of meta references to Shounen Jump manga stuff.

I decided to answer you clearly by analyzing the Scans one by one, I want to know for you how can Najimi know that the Anime will start if she only has delusions of omnipotence? Because what you say doesn't make sense, it is obvious that she is aware of the fourth wall, it is an obvious thing. Not to mention a declaration of war from the transcendental character. And this is the first Scan that I bring you because it is completely senseless to say that she has delusions of omnipotence. Najimi knew she was in a manga that would have an anime adaptation.

https://cdn.**********.com/attachme...7771c71e0f392155404f59e7a4054c443f1c5510e033&

The metaphor you talk about so much doesn't make sense for this Scan, it doesn't make any sense, they become the main characters always in a metanarrative sense or this Scan wouldn't exist, the entire work is based on breaking the fourth wall and Najimi is not the only one to demonstrate this thing. The character reading you are suggesting is completely wrong.

https://cdn.**********.com/attachme...c44f454f696be73da8a0e268116ea5395bb3788bd985&
Does this scan speak for itself or are you trying to tell me that Kumagawa also has delusions of omnipotence, I don't see him showing any signs of them you know. Kumagawa also clearly shows awareness of the fourth wall in this scene and I don't see how anyone can say that isn't the case.

https://cdn.**********.com/attachme...be206680326710d0c42bde3383c5153b1cf9d00a38b3&
Always delusions of omnipotence right? It's not that he knows he's in a manga and this thing is obvious throughout the work and this is yet another image to confirm it.

https://cdn.**********.com/attachme...f9e4073d2d64341fe929bc41667b2510efb7b9aba243&
This Scan also shows that they are aware of the existence of other manga in themselves and this is always called awareness of the fourth wall. Moreover, if we assume that Najimi has awareness of the fourth wall as I am confirming with all the Scans, also holding omniscience, she would know a multiverse like that of Dragon Ball which is many times more complex than hers.

Another thing that confirms what I say is this scale that I leave you below, where they still talk about the main character not to mention the fact that this is a power that you don't even mention in Medaka's scale. Would that be luck for you? No, I would say absolutely not otherwise they wouldn't talk about main characters throughout the work. https://cdn.**********.com/attachme...d5602de77792e701a355d065f3b6f7b0232308eb8c0b&

I want to add one thing, she is not the one who is crazy, but the other characters are convinced that she is because she thinks this in the chapter you sent me, characters that many of them also show a very strong metanarrative awareness. But they are still delusions of omnipotence, right? By the way, najimi was born before existence itself, always to add something to the scale, I remind you that she resisted the big bang, which created a universe. I don't know how you can say that it's not metanarrative but delusions of omnipotence.

By the way, with string theory he gets to 11d and with all the scales I sent you he has the awareness of the fourth wall unless you still want to tell me that they are delusions of omnipotence and in that case I renew the invitation to analyze this photo
https://cdn.**********.com/attachme...e01f017e4eea83387d1389994bfca7c26206f2210a44&

I hope that by looking at all the scans I sent you you will stop tell me that these are delusions of omnipotence because this thing makes no sense. I want to know how you justify for example that zenkichi knows of Goku's existence and strangely it is said a thousand times that they are in a manga, if this is not awareness of the fourth wall then what is?
 
Most of this is stuff I've already addressed, and where you didn't actually bring any new evidence/arguments. So, just responding to the newer stuff.
https://cdn.**********.com/attachme...c44f454f696be73da8a0e268116ea5395bb3788bd985&
Does this scan speak for itself or are you trying to tell me that Kumagawa also has delusions of omnipotence, I don't see him showing any signs of them you know. Kumagawa also clearly shows awareness of the fourth wall in this scene and I don't see how anyone can say that isn't the case.
If you're arguing that Kumagawa should get Breaking the Fourth Wall as an ability, I'd kinda disagree, but don't really care too much. If you're using something like this to justify Kumagawa being Tier 2/1, then I'd have to strongly disagree. Kumagawa's physicals scale to, like, two thirds of the cast. We can't have two-thirds of the series given a high rating due to seeing themselves as fiction, that's an incoherent loop.
https://cdn.**********.com/attachme...f9e4073d2d64341fe929bc41667b2510efb7b9aba243&
This Scan also shows that they are aware of the existence of other manga in themselves and this is always called awareness of the fourth wall. Moreover, if we assume that Najimi has awareness of the fourth wall as I am confirming with all the Scans, also holding omniscience, she would know a multiverse like that of Dragon Ball which is many times more complex than hers.
Homie. They just know about other manga because they live in a world modestly similar to ours, which literally has WSJ, including those manga. That's not evidence for them seeing their own world as fictional.
Another thing that confirms what I say is this scale that I leave you below, where they still talk about the main character not to mention the fact that this is a power that you don't even mention in Medaka's scale. Would that be luck for you? No, I would say absolutely not otherwise they wouldn't talk about main characters throughout the work. https://cdn.**********.com/attachme...d5602de77792e701a355d065f3b6f7b0232308eb8c0b&
It is something we include in Medaka Kurokami's page, as well as Iihiko's, and Zenkichi's. We include it as luck, as it seems to function as an extension of her extraordinary luck established in the Thirteen Party Arc, and since that feature itself is often described in terms of luck, itself.
 
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