MCU Shang-Chi Upgrade

[Marvel_Champion_07]

Shang-Chi killing the Dweller In Darkness with the Ten Rings was calculated at Low 7-C.

Ten Rings Blast

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WoG states that a fight between him or Thor/Hulk could go either way, which may warrant "possibly higher" since the statement is rather ambiguous.

This should scale to Xu Wenwu with the Ten Rings.

 

[Popted2]

agree with the op

 

[XXKINGXX69]

Disagree, one film producer doesn't speak for the entire series. That's also what he thinks, this interview isn't made with editors to read the script and all that

 

[XXKINGXX69]

It uses 250 meters from a WoG statement, not published material, so I think it needs a recalc especially since the first pixel calc showed that the dweller is a lot smaller than 250m. Everything else about the calc I agree with adding to Shang Chi

 

[Revan_Laha]

Shang-Chi can be based on High 6-C based on the fact that dragons can restrain Deviants that Ikaris can't kill

 

[OneBleachHurricane]

Where doss the High 6-C value come from?

 

[Sir_Marvulous]

Where doss the High 6-C value come from?

I assume the root is the MCU Tier 6 upgrades thread

 

[OneBleachHurricane]

I assume the root is the MCU Tier 6 upgrades thread

The only High 6-C values listed in the CRT are the Abilisk Storm Creation Feat (GOTG2)(High 6-C/6-B+) and Nuclear Explosions (What IF)(6-C/High 6-C)

While the baby dragon and deviant thing involves Ikaris (Currently 6-C)

 

[KLOL506]

It uses 250 meters from a WoG statement, not published material, so I think it needs a recalc especially since the first pixel calc showed that the dweller is a lot smaller than 250m. Everything else about the calc I agree with adding to Shang Chi

I'm guessing that pixel calc wasn't exactly done properly. I'd take more stock in the actual VFX artists who designed the damn thing.

WoG doesn't always have to be published material to be acceptable, you know.

EDIT: Yep, I was right. The visuals there are at crazy angles and have just outright shit visibility.

 

[Emirp sumitpo]

Shang-Chi can be based on High 6-C based on the fact that dragons can restrain Deviants that Ikaris can't kill

Just because it's a much larger dragon doesn't mean it's stronger. Are they even the same species? And can you prove them being larger equals stronger?

 

[XXKINGXX69]

I'm guessing that pixel calc wasn't exactly done properly. I'd take more stock in the actual VFX artists who designed the damn thing.

WoG doesn't always have to be published material to be acceptable, you know.

EDIT: Yep, I was right. The visuals there are at crazy angles and have just outright shit visibility.

You can tell that its not even close to 250m

If its not published, its not part of the canon

 

[Emirp sumitpo]

If its not published, its not part of the canon

Why so?

 

[XXKINGXX69]

Why so?

canon is things that are part of the story

 

[Emirp sumitpo]

And why would an author adding a piece of information not be canon? It comes from the author themselves.

 

[XXKINGXX69]

Coming from the author doesn't mean it adds anything to the story, though

 

[Emirp sumitpo]

Why would it not? They created the story. They are the owners of it.

 

[RoTt35]

It's a direct statement said by the VFX artist who created the character designs. I agree with the upgrade

 

[XXKINGXX69]

How does that equate to an interview adding stuff to the canon?

 

[AbaddonTheDisappointment]

The reason it doesn’t look like it’s 250 m is cuz every close up shot of it isn’t showing it up to its tendrils. It’s usually just it’s main body.

That and every shot of it with Shang Chi in it has awful angles.

 

[Revan_Laha]

Just because it's a much larger dragon doesn't mean it's stronger. Are they even the same species? And can you prove them being larger equals stronger?

It's a general rule. A larger man is generally stronger than a smaller man. A larger elephant is stronger than a smaller one. Also the dragon in the comic is a juvenile. The ones in Shang-Chi were full grown adults

 

[Emirp sumitpo]

It's a general rule. A larger man is generally stronger than a smaller man. A larger elephant is stronger than a smaller one. Also the dragon in the comic is a juvenile. The ones in Shang-Chi were full grown adults

Dude. You haven't proven they are the same species. And your general rule comes from nowhere

 

[Dalesean027]

I agree with the calc but wasn't the whole reason this took so long to make because of the actual tiering for Wenwu since he never accessed or showcased anything close to that level(unless there's a calc for him freeing the dweller and smashing that huge wall)


And considering all the blast and impacts aren't town level his tiering should probably be reflecting that like especially since that's a feat requiring all the rings


Whether we want to scale scale his physicals with one ring or not it since he could survive getting blasted by one ring could go like this


Wall level physically Building level with individual Rings up to Small Town level with The Ten Rings

 

[Spinosaurus75DinosaurFan]

I mean it wouldn't hurt to give a rating for his regular combat applicable blasts I guess

 

[Dalesean027]

Bump

 

[Hellbeast]

I mean it wouldn't hurt to give a rating for his regular combat applicable blasts I guess

Perhaps X, up to Low 7-C would work?

 

[Dalesean027]

Building level with individual Rings up to Small Town level with The Ten Rings

Can we agree to this?

 

[OneBleachHurricane]

Perhaps

 

[Spinosaurus75DinosaurFan]

What is 8-C based on?

 

[Dalesean027]

What is 8-C based on?

I don't remember I just remember when the calc was first done that was the original suggestion for his tiering

 

[Lacku]

I don't remember I just remember when the calc was first done that was the original suggestion for his tiering

I believe we divided the Low 7-C calc by ten and came to the conclusion that an individual ring would use about 1/10 the power of the blast that killed the Dweller in Darkness

 

[Hellbeast]

TBH that is some lowkey ligma shit

We don't divide the Infinity Stones by yield and I think we don't have much proof they're outputting equal amounts of energy behind their blasts

 

[Marvel_Champion_07]

Isn't each ring of the Ten Rings basically identical to each other, unlike the Infinity Stones, which are clearly different?

 

[Hellbeast]

Isn't each ring of the Ten Rings basically identical to each other, unlike the Infinity Stones, which are clearly different?

TBH you vould argue that but it's not inherently bavcked up by feats imo

 

[Dalesean027]

Whole thing with the rings are that they clearly aren't performing tier 7 hits with each attack so they'll need some kind of calc for other feats

 

[Lacku]

Has this been calced yet? This could prob scale to the Rings at their lowest.

 

[Marvel_Champion_07]

Has this been calced yet? This could prob scale to the Rings at their lowest.

It hasn't, but it should get Tier 8 results

 

[Lacku]

It hasn't, but it should get Tier 8 results

Once we have a concrete value for that feat we can give the Rings a rating of "Tier 8 level, up to Small Town level"
Shang's Dragon Scale Armor and staff can also scale to the lower rating too

 

[KingEzran]

I've been waiting for a thread like this. I figured they weren't wall level, just couldn't find any feat to deny it until I found out the Dweller in Darkness thing could be calced. I will say, it might be hard to calc that feat of the Ten Rings first being used in the movie. Between all the people blocking it, all the dust created by the ten rings, and the moving camera, it could be difficult to pixel scale it.

 

[Lacku]

I've been waiting for a thread like this. I figured they weren't wall level, just couldn't find any feat to deny it until I found out the Dweller in Darkness thing could be calced. I will say, it might be hard to calc that feat of the Ten Rings first being used in the movie. Between all the people blocking it, all the dust created by the ten rings, and the moving camera, it could be difficult to pixel scale it.

Yeah I personally wouldn't know where to begin with it, I do think it's our best shot at getting the Rings lowest value doe

 

[Popted2]

wich is?