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[MCU] scarlet witch CRT continuation and upgrades other

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I disagree with changing Wanda keys to H3-A with darkhold to make everyone H3-A like her, as official sources have confirmed that some darkhold spells can only be used by strong and powerful users, such as the dreamwalk spell, so keeping her H3-A at peak is the best option to prevent unnecessary scaling

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since quantum bands are rated tier 2-A Environmental Destruction, it can open a rift between two universes and allow the reality of another universe to enter 616, creating an incursions that will destroy one or both universe

Reed Richard states arrival of dr strange confuses and destabilizes reality if stay to another universe longer, the more footprints you leave behind and the more risk incursion, where one or two realities collide and destroy everything, described as an unstoppable threat that even the Illuminati cannot stop from happening the dream walk spell was also stated by Karl Amadeus Mordo it will leave a trace of reality between the two universes, which is at great risk of incursion and was also identified as In a fleetingtime while using their dream walk spell, they were able to cause irreparable damage to the universe they invaded. This happened to Dr Strange in his universe who used a dream walk spell from the darkhold to find a way to defeat Thanos which caused the destruction of other universes

In end credits Dr Strange: in the Multiverse of Madness, it is stated by Clea that Dr Strange caused incursion due to the use of a dream walk spell And the fact that he stepped on the universe 838, and in another credit it is seen that he was affected by the use a darkhold as well

It also shows the occurrence incursion in Sinister Strange universe by using the dream walk spell multiple times

In the MCU Timeline book, it is stated that it is a spell carved on Mount Wundagore. It is a spell that can bend reality or destroy it. Scarlet Witch should be upgraded to 2-A Environmental Destruction because it is stated that one day she will have the power to bend or destroy reality

In Book Marvel Studios 100 Objects: Iconic Artifacts from the MCU, it is stated The Darkhold is also described in the book as a repository of Chaos Magic that enables practitioners to access energy from other dimensions

Therefore, the darkhold should be upgraded to 2-A Environmental Destruction and other characters who use the dream walk spell will also be considered for an upgrade to 2-A Environmental Destruction

The darkhold dream walk spell is also stated to be “not just anyone who wields the Darkhold can cast the dreamwalking spell. “It’s a spell that maybe only Wanda and Strange are the only sorcerers in existence strong enough to even do it

*Even though it was said that if you don't interfere with reality in another universe, Incursion will not occur, but going to another universe with a dream walking spell still has a risk of it happening. Incursion anyway, so I suggest using 2-A Environmental Destruction or possibly, but I don't think it's necessary to use possibly Because the results of using it are risky and we have already seen its effects, even Sinister Strange using it to possessing his body and kill other variants is enough to cause incursion. As Wanda kills people in universe 838, the Illuminati group, so No matter what, scarlet witch will upgrade to 2-A according to sinister strange and dr strange

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Is there any reason why an incursion causing universal destruction also means that the entire multiversal timeline is also destroyed?
 
Is there any reason why an incursion causing universal destruction also means that the entire multiversal timeline is also destroyed?
incursion It seems to be stated that it will cause realities to collide and eventually collapse, which in MCU cosmology states that another reality or universe is 1 in an infinite timeline
 
incursion It seems to be stated that it will cause realities to collide and eventually collapse, which in MCU cosmology states that another reality or universe is 1 in an infinite timeline
No, a timeline contains infinite universes and realities, you need proof that an incursion can destroy the entire 2-A timeline rather than a single universe within it, which would just be 3-A/Low 2-C
 
No, a timeline contains infinite universes and realities, you need proof that an incursion can destroy the entire 2-A timeline rather than a single universe within it, which would just be 3-A/Low 2-C
I'll use the same case with Cassandra Nova. Since dream walking can go to any universe with range 2-A, it is possible for the user to use it to destroy the entire timeline
 
Is there any reason why an incursion causing universal destruction also means that the entire multiversal timeline is also destroyed?
in antman quantumania when kang talks abt the multiverse to janet and mentions incursions/universes colliding bc of his variants, he shows timelines exploding across the multiverse

anyways i remember disagreeing with this before but i’ll go through it again n wait to see what others think
 
I'll use the same case with Cassandra Nova. Since dream walking can go to any universe with range 2-A, it is possible for the user to use it to destroy the entire timeline
The Time Ripper is completely different from a incursion.
in antman quantumania when kang talks abt the multiverse to janet and mentions incursions/universes colliding bc of his variants, he shows timelines exploding across the multiverse
Kang states that they're universes colliding, besides those being endless incursions. Without a statement that a single incursion can destroy the entire timeline I don't think the feat should be 2-A
 
she doesn’t say which universe he caused an incursion in. also he never used dreamwalking to go to earth-838 either so it wasn’t even because of that
*Even though it was said that if you don't interfere with reality in another universe, Incursion will not occur, but going to another universe with a dream walking spell still has a risk of it happening. Incursion anyway, so I suggest using 2-A Environmental Destruction or possibly, but I don't think it's necessary to use possibly Because the results of using it are risky and we have already seen its effects, even Sinister Strange using it to possessing his body and kill other variants is enough to cause incursion. As Wanda kills people in universe 838, the Illuminati group, so No matter what, scarlet witch will upgrade to 2-A according to sinister strange and dr strange
dreamwalking shouldn’t have environmental destruction for it since incursions aren’t directly caused by the spell itself but rather due to sorcerers doing weird shit in the timelines. ur saying that since wanda n strange killed ppl which caused incursions, that would mean that they’d either have to do something in that timeline which is not directly from their abilities/power (dreamwalking in this case) in order to cause that incursion, which i don’t think that can qualify for environmental destruction either

also richie palmer, the co-producer of multiverse of madness states the same thing too here
 
she doesn’t say which universe he caused an incursion in. also he never used dreamwalking to go to earth-838 either so it wasn’t even because of that
It can happen in both universes or one, so it's unclear whether it happened because he used a spell from the darkhold to possessing his body or if it happened because he trampled on universe 838 and messed up reality, as Reed Richard said. So we're also talking about the issue of sinister strange
 
dreamwalking shouldn’t have environmental destruction for it since incursions aren’t directly caused by the spell itself but rather due to sorcerers doing weird shit in the timelines. ur saying that since wanda n strange killed ppl which caused incursions, that would mean that they’d either have to do something in that timeline which is not directly from their abilities/power (dreamwalking in this case) in order to cause that incursion, which i don’t think that can qualify for environmental destruction either
Carl Mordo stated that it was a risky Incursion anyway, even Dr Strange 838 just using his dream walking spell to detect a way to defeat Thanos who didn't interfere with any reality in another universe was enough to cause Incursion
 
cause environmental destruction, it does not have to be done directly with the power of the thing. I blew up the dam. The explosion only caused a dam has cracks, but if I let it go, it would burst and a river would flood the entire city. So, the spell from the darkhold as well As richie palmer said, if you mess with reality too much it will happen. Incursion up
 
Carl Mordo stated that it was a risky Incursion anyway, even Dr Strange 838 just using his dream walking spell to detect a way to defeat Thanos who didn't interfere with any reality in another universe was enough to cause Incursion
incursions are risky because you’re leaving traces of urself in that universe which causes risks of an incursion. as for 838 strange, he was dreamwalking to find a way to beat his universe’s thanos, the reason why there was an incursion is likely because of him excessively trying to look for solutions for lord knows how long, not because of the spell itself
cause environmental destruction, it does not have to be done directly with the power of the thing. I blew up the dam. The explosion only caused a dam has cracks, but if I let it go, it would burst and a river would flood the entire city. So, the spell from the darkhold as well As richie palmer said, if you mess with reality too much it will happen. Incursion up
in order for dreamwalking to cause environmental destruction, a consequence has to occur due to the usage of the ability. incursions are not consequences of the ability, but rather from the user being present in that universe and tampering with events of the timeline like i said.

in your analogy, dreamwalking isn’t the explosion that causes cracks in the dam. dreamwalking would be you walking to the dam instead. interfering with the timeline (you trying to explode the dam) would cause those cracks in the dam (destabilizing reality) and then that will lead to those cracks breaking on its own the more u do something (incursions). interfering with timeline events isnt an ability, thats an action, which would not give environmental destruction via dreamwalking because dreamwalking isn’t causing any effects in this case.

but like idk because u did mention reed telling strange that his arrival confuses and destabilizes reality and dreamwalking does involve going to another reality (however i also dont know if thats the exact same as being physically there since reed was only referring to that) so that could possibly work??
 
As I said, dream walking is not a cause. environmental destruction, but if the character were to do it, they would still need to use dream walk to complete it. which I did not decide on cause Incursion comes directly from the dream walk spell, I'm just saying that the user uses it in order to cause it. The incursion, as you said, lies in the actions of the user If we're going to use this in profile, we need to mention dream walk as well in incursion. I'm not proposing using 2-A environmental destruction with dream walk, I'm proposing using with darkhold from the dream walk spell
 
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In the MCU Timeline book, it is stated that it is a spell carved on Mount Wundagore. It is a spell that can bend reality or destroy it. Scarlet Witch should be upgraded to 2-A Environmental Destruction because it is stated that one day she will have the power to bend or destroy reality
It may happen one day in the future, so the Wanda we see has nothing to do with it. We cannot know when today's Scarlet Witch will attain this power, maybe it will happen 1 billion years later. So I disagree with this part.

I think you say that "Dreamwalkin is 2-A environmental destruction", I can agree with that, Sinister Strange, Doctor Strange (main) and Scarlet Witch can get 2-A environmental destruction for this reason.
 
It may happen one day in the future, so the Wanda we see has nothing to do with it. We cannot know when today's Scarlet Witch will attain this power, maybe it will happen 1 billion years later. So I disagree with this part.

I think you say that "Dreamwalkin is 2-A environmental destruction", I can agree with that, Sinister Strange, Doctor Strange (main) and Scarlet Witch can get 2-A environmental destruction for this reason.
I didn't think it would take that long. However, I didn't propose her to be 2-A environmental destruction because it would have the power to destroy reality in the future. But I offered her an upgrade to 2-A environmental destruction for being too busy with reality. Killing the Illuminati and she destroyed the darkhold in every universe.
 
I didn't think it would take that long. However, I didn't propose her to be 2-A environmental destruction because it would have the power to destroy reality in the future. But I offered her an upgrade to 2-A environmental destruction for being too busy with reality. Killing the Illuminati and she destroyed the darkhold in every universe.
Nah, non of them is enough for this level
 
I don't really agree with this being an environmental destruction the darkhold users would scale to, it's literally in the story that merely being in universes you do not belong to is enough for incursions to occur, and Sinister strange was chilling in the universe he didn't belong to and it caused the incursion in the first place.
 
I don't really agree with this being an environmental destruction the darkhold users would scale to, it's literally in the story that merely being in universes you do not belong to is enough for incursions to occur, and Sinister strange was chilling in the universe he didn't belong to and it caused the incursion in the first place.
It wasn't that he used the darkhold to dream walk spell to find the universe where he was with Christine. And he had only failed and killed many of his variants, and at that time he was in his own universe where Incursion was taking place
 
no he was trying to replace whatever Stranges exist to be with Christine and him doing that caused incursion on his universe since he trespassed, that's the reason why the Illuminati was trying to send Chavez and Strange back to their own universe.
 
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