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MCU Phase 6 General Discussion Thread

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MCU Avenger Hulk Regen downgrade

Nobody said anything about until now so imma say some stuff. Avenger Hulk currently has Low-Mid regen coming from these two feats. I'm sorry... what? The abomination feat seems overblown. It doesn't look like Abomination's stab went too deep. The spike looks to be around like 2 ish inches. The...
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That_moron2 said:
They are here. Fairly far along but they need calcs accepted and polishing
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They look pretty good so far. The Thing and Human Torch are fine. I'm a little confused on Sue's rating. Is her rating going to be High 6-A or 4-C? Her durability should be that high considering Galactus couldn't immediately break her barriers. If Shalla-Bal's Stellar calc is accepted it scales to Sue and Galactus right? Last thing, this is more of formatting nitpick, but I think Galactus' ship shouldn't be in the middle of his other ratings. Right now, its 4-C, Low 4-C from the Ship, & possibly High 3-A. I think the rating for his technology should go before or after his main tier.
 
Blade was also able to slice apart Asgardians and Namor's people, although those same zombies were dispatched by characters like Red Guardian, Jimmy Woo, and Death Dealer. Death Dealer did get badly curbstomped by one Asgardian zombie, so it could just be weaponry. I think its probably safer to go for 9-A though.
 
A new Avengers: Doomsday short teaser featuring the return of Chris Evans as Steve Rogers, intended to be played in front of Avatar: Fire and Ash, has been leaked and is currently being circulated across the internet.
 
Dinobot1996 said:
A new Avengers: Doomsday short teaser featuring the return of Chris Evans as Steve Rogers, intended to be played in front of Avatar: Fire and Ash, has been leaked and is currently being circulated across the internet.
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Do we have any idea what his role will be?
 
Dinobot1996 said:
A new Avengers: Doomsday short teaser featuring the return of Chris Evans as Steve Rogers, intended to be played in front of Avatar: Fire and Ash, has been leaked and is currently being circulated across the internet.
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So this is real.
 
Apparently, prior to the release of The Amazing Spider-Man 2, Marc Webb compared touching Electro to touching a thousand third rails. Not sure how impressive that is.

Webb also brought this up here (click on the second slide to see the relevant section):
"Electro is a very captivating, cinematic villain. I wanted to create a foe for Peter that was as difficult physically to confront as I could possibly conceive of. He is god-like in his powers, if you really come down to it. If you get within a few yards of him your hair starts to go up, and if you touch him a thousand third rails volt through your body, and you're decimated."
 
that is so far away man the mcu is going to be so dry for a long time

Like what do we have vision quest wonder man and spiderman in the summer and that’s it ?
 
Lonkitt said:
They're putting everyone not named Spider-Man in this film to the point of reviving people who should be dead 😭

This film's gonna be terrible
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I mean, I'm a Spidey fan to but I don't think his presence or absence alone can decide of the movie's quality
 
ArkhamDC06 said:
I mean, I'm a Spidey fan to but I don't think his presence or absence alone can decide of the movie's quality
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Spider-Man isn't the deciding factor on this, I just think the MCU tends to neglect the guy. They threw a fit with Sony over having the rights to him just to...kinda not give him the same attention they're giving to most of their other cast members (before anyone brings it up, do not try to tell me that FYN is MCU Spidey content when it's explicitly another universe and not more content for MCU Peter). It's just weird how Doomsday is the next BIG film for the series and they're like "nah, let's not put in this character who's the poster boy of Marvel Comics". At times, it feels like they got the rights to Spidey just so Sony wouldn't do more with him and so they could have the bragging rights over him

My bigger issues with the film come from much more than Spider-Man's absence. I'm really iffy on RDJ returning as Doom, and not even a Doom that's got a history with the FF. Doom can absolutely be a villain to guys like the Avengers, but the lack of that FF history is REALLY hurting his character and I think that's something you should never change with the character. Furthermore, the cast of characters they got for the Doomsday is....pretty underwhelming? This isn't just by Spidey bias, I'm just not gonna be cheering and jumping when the Guardians and Shang-Chi gotta team up or whatever. Additionally, the return of Steve is just really lame. I like MCU Cap's character, but we had this big finale for him just so he can get dragged in to fight a villain who resembles one of his best friends for some reason. There's also the fact that they started filming before they even finished the script

Just too many factors are at play for me to be foaming at the mouth over the film
 
Most the stuff you are complaining about aren’t even good points we don’t even have an official trailer yet wait for a trailer before complaining 😭😭😭
 
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darkphantom9805 said:
Most the stuff you are complaining about aren’t even good points we don’t even have an official trailer yet wait for a trailer before complaining 😭😭😭
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How is them filming with an incomplete script not a good point to complain about? That is literally bad filmmaking. Then again, I don't think you actually read my explanations on like, anything, whether it be in casual conversations or revisions. You just saw "I don't think Doomsday will be good"

I promise you, I will not be excited when I watch the trailer, I would bet money on that

If you disagree, cool, I don't care
 
Lonkitt said:
My bigger issues with the film come from much more than Spider-Man's absence. I'm really iffy on RDJ returning as Doom, and not even a Doom that's got a history with the FF. Doom can absolutely be a villain to guys like the Avengers, but the lack of that FF history is REALLY hurting his character and I think that's something you should never change with the character. Furthermore, the cast of characters they got for the Doomsday is....pretty underwhelming? This isn't just by Spidey bias, I'm just not gonna be cheering and jumping when the Guardians and Shang-Chi gotta team up or whatever. Additionally, the return of Steve is just really lame. I like MCU Cap's character, but we had this big finale for him just so he can get dragged in to fight a villain who resembles one of his best friends for some reason. There's also the fact that they started filming before they even finished the script

Just too many factors are at play for me to be foaming at the mouth over the film
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I agree with all of your points (although I will admit that I'm HYPED for this movie), and dunno why you got some harsh criticism for an opinion, but this one right here (in bold) is the kicker. Unfortunately, Disney/Marvel put WAYYY too much faith in Jonathan Majors as Kang, and the whole incident with his gf tanked a lot of stuff. However, they should've just stuck with a recast... I don't know why they're so afraid to do that, especially when Don Cheadle cooks better as Rhody than Terrance Howard. So much potential...

As a result they decided to add in Doom. I seriously doubt Feige when he said they "always" planned for Kang Dynasty to transition into Doomsday. It's clear they knew how much they messed up.

My main gripes with how this movie handles Doom comes in three fashions. Will his backstory and motivations actually align with how the MCU is currently articulating the route of the story, and does the mask stay on for 99% of the time? Yeah, Doom has his mask get taken off in both runs of Secret Wars in marvel comics, but it being RDJ kind of showers doubt in there. Lastly, I do know that the team announcement a week ago showed Doctor Doom's name as "Victor Von Doom", but there's still a connection between Stark and Doom according to the Russos. I just hope it's not something like "Oh! MCU's 616 Iron Man was actually a variant of Doctor Doom" or something crazy.
 
Naeem0304 said:
I agree with all of your points (although I will admit that I'm HYPED for this movie), and dunno why you got some harsh criticism for an opinion, but this one right here (in bold) is the kicker. Unfortunately, Disney/Marvel put WAYYY too much faith in Jonathan Majors as Kang, and the whole incident with his gf tanked a lot of stuff. However, they should've just stuck with a recast... I don't know why they're so afraid to do that, especially when Don Cheadle cooks better as Rhody than Terrance Howard. So much potential...

As a result they decided to add in Doom. I seriously doubt Feige when he said they "always" planned for Kang Dynasty to transition into Doomsday. It's clear they knew how much they messed up.

My main gripes with how this movie handles Doom comes in three fashions. Will his backstory and motivations actually align with how the MCU is currently articulating the route of the story, and does the mask stay on for 99% of the time? Yeah, Doom has his mask get taken off in both runs of Secret Wars in marvel comics, but it being RDJ kind of showers doubt in there. Lastly, I do know that the team announcement a week ago showed Doctor Doom's name as "Victor Von Doom", but there's still a connection between Stark and Doom according to the Russos. I just hope it's not something like "Oh! MCU's 616 Iron Man was actually a variant of Doctor Doom" or something crazy.
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There is a bigger issue with recasting Kang compared to Rhodey or Hulk. The were recast relatively early into their MCU appearances. We only had 1 Hulk movie which was minimally referenced outside of Ross, until Cap 4. Howard Rhodey was only in Iron Man 1. We've already had Kang in Loki and Quantumania, and while I liked Majors as Kang, I think he had a mixed reception stemming from the multiverse saga. Not to mention they also showed thousands of Kangs who all had Jonathan Major's face. Not to mention all of the important Kangs including Immortus were all him. So, while I don't think a recast was impossible, he was a lot more tied to the character than they were. There has been a steep decline in box office over time. The entire multiverse saga has made less than Phase 3, and Phase 5 made less than the first phase.

So, I imagine they are very hypersensitive to any potential negative publicity to blow back on the films. Plus they brought back RDJ as a hail mary. With that said, my biggest concern is the movie will be too bloated and messy. Doomsday and Secret Wars are even bigger than Endgame & Infinity War which already had behemoth casts. Not to mention Secret Wars is also supposed to be a soft reboot as well, and they had less time than they did with the Thanos Avengers Films. I hope it goes well, but I also think they might mess up Doom. I've heard they might end up using a version of the Iron Man-Arno thing from the comics, since comic Tony isn't related to Howard canonically anymore.
 
Legion350 said:
There is a bigger issue with recasting Kang compared to Rhodey or Hulk. The were recast relatively early into their MCU appearances. We only had 1 Hulk movie which was minimally referenced outside of Ross, until Cap 4. Howard Rhodey was only in Iron Man 1. We've already had Kang in Loki and Quantumania, and while I liked Majors as Kang, I think he had a mixed reception stemming from the multiverse saga. Not to mention they also showed thousands of Kangs who all had Jonathan Major's face. Not to mention all of the important Kangs including Immortus were all him. So, while I don't think a recast was impossible, he was a lot more tied to the character than they were. There has been a steep decline in box office over time. The entire multiverse saga has made less than Phase 3, and Phase 5 made less than the first phase
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Agreed.

As I mentioned before they put way too much faith and cards on Majors and it clearly showed. Either way, the concept of the Multiverse circumvents the issue of the Kang's (especially Immortus) looking like Majors. There was any number of ways that could've been solved/

They should've stuck with Kang. He had the right amount of buildup from Loki & Quantumania, with Shang-Chi possibly hinting at the Ten Rings being Kang technology. Plus the FF movie would've tied in with Rama-Tut or Immortus (from what I heard before it was altered), so they/he would've had more screen-time before his prominent film than Thanos did across Phase 1-3. Literally one of the only glaring issues is how they handled Kang in Quantumania, but that's infinitely better than the predicament they put themselves into now.
 
Naeem0304 said:
Agreed.

As I mentioned before they put way too much faith and cards on Majors and it clearly showed. Either way, the concept of the Multiverse circumvents the issue of the Kang's (especially Immortus) looking like Majors. There was any number of ways that could've been solved/

They should've stuck with Kang. He had the right amount of buildup from Loki & Quantumania, with Shang-Chi possibly hinting at the Ten Rings being Kang technology. Plus the FF movie would've tied in with Rama-Tut or Immortus (from what I heard before it was altered), so they/he would've had more screen-time before his prominent film than Thanos did across Phase 1-3. Literally one of the only glaring issues is how they handled Kang in Quantumania, but that's infinitely better than the predicament they put themselves into now.
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I agree they could have made Kang work. Also I think they should have started fleshing out alternatives from the moment Majors faced charges after they started seriously considering replacing him.
 
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