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I mean, considering the show's focus on witches and Magic, it would be the perfect opportunity to introduce him. That or we wait for Iron Heart since apparently Sacha Baron Cohen is heavily implied to play him in the series
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MCU Phase 5 General Discussion Thread
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Excellence616
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What do you meant by posting the scan?
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...cool, i guess. Is there any other context for this?
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It's from a VFX website. So, can that actually be accepted as canon?
Genuinely wondering, because I want to add this to my sandbox.
Genuinely wondering, because I want to add this to my sandbox.
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Yeah
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Some stuff on Captain Marvel from The Marvels artbook:
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still a current Thor victim
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Saw episode 3 of AAA recently.
Some of the stuff, I just quote how TV Tropes puts stuff (I'm lazy & it saves me typing.):
Internal Reveal: Everyone learns that "Teen" has a glamor that hides his identity when he tries to give his name. They call the specific spell a sigil and speculate it's to hide him from witches.
Artistic License – Physics: "Teen" uses the sous vide to heat up the kitchen sink to complete the potion. However, it would take 25 to 30 minutes for that quantity of water to boil in real life, while in the show it took less than a minute. That said, the magical environment might also have been at play, or it just ran much hotter than a normal sous vide.
Call-Back: Sharon's hallucination has her begging Wanda to let her husband breathe, as she relives her perspective of the dinner scene in the first episode of WandaVision. This at least implies that he was still alive when the episode happened, and then died offscreen at some point thereafter.
Should we call the Sous Vide heating thing PIS? Or do we consider it a feat for The Witches' Road environment?
Alice has a tattoo that wards off curses her mother made her get.
Supposedly, part of why Sharon died was the others neglecting to include her in brewing the antidote, not just being too late delivering the antidote.
Oh, & a hair of hers wasn't provided for the potion brew, either.
Surprising that Teen/Buford didn't need to drink just because he's not old enough. The Witches' Road cares for such considerations? Or is it because he's more like Agatha's familiar to the trials' system?
I like how the trial featured such an inviting message, that DIDN'T allude to the danger of the poisoning, except indirectly. Feels fitting of a trial for witches.
I don't remember what exactly it was, but Buford mentioned something about his father teaching him something, like how to use a sous-vide. Which is notable, because the "sigil"/glamour, IIRC, muted him reciting his backstory when he & Agatha were driving.
Edelweiss poisoning has quite a number of symptoms, although it also takes nearly 30 minutes to take effect, apparently.
As TV tropes puts it, facial swelling, dizziness, and heart palpitations — the poison forces the coven to hallucinate past traumas and fears.
Were there tremors, too?
Kind of amusing, albeit cliche/letdown how the ingredients were mundane items. Eye of Newt is a term for mustard seed. For other ingredients, she lists "a corpse that's been decaying for 30 million years", having to clarify that it's zooplankton converted into petroleum, and "the gut of a eusocial insect", which "Teen" realizes refers to honey.
Anyone keeping track of the size of The Witches' Road & stuff?
Sharon declaring "Bury me in this kitchen!" shortly after the group first enter the house.
Hah. (Technically, she DIDN'T get that wish....)
Also, Lillia is implied to have had the witch from Hansel & Gretel as a "friend".
TV Tropes claims: In Jennifer's hallucination, her head is forcibly dunked into water by the man who took her powers.
Intrigueing if true.
& of course, there's this notable exchange:
Jennifer: Did you know she traded her own child for the Book of the Damned?
"Teen": [Taken aback] That can't be true.
Jennifer: Nah. Yeah, you're probably right … but that is what people say. They say no one really knows what happened to him; they say he might be dead, others say he might be a demon, or an agent of Mephisto.
Something curious:
Aspect Ratio Switch: While the sequences on the Road are presented in 2.35:1, the sequences inside the cottage for the first test are in 16:9.
It's also notable that Agatha seems to not remember Sharon's real name, despite being told it multiple times.
Come to think of it, with Sharon's reaction to the wine, had she just had that bad a time, or had she not been able to have it during most or all of her recent time in Westview? She got freed from the hex a few years ago, right?
TV Tropes also provides this jarring "perspective":
Also, how is it known he's grown up around mobile phones?
Some of the stuff, I just quote how TV Tropes puts stuff (I'm lazy & it saves me typing.):
Internal Reveal: Everyone learns that "Teen" has a glamor that hides his identity when he tries to give his name. They call the specific spell a sigil and speculate it's to hide him from witches.
Artistic License – Physics: "Teen" uses the sous vide to heat up the kitchen sink to complete the potion. However, it would take 25 to 30 minutes for that quantity of water to boil in real life, while in the show it took less than a minute. That said, the magical environment might also have been at play, or it just ran much hotter than a normal sous vide.
Call-Back: Sharon's hallucination has her begging Wanda to let her husband breathe, as she relives her perspective of the dinner scene in the first episode of WandaVision. This at least implies that he was still alive when the episode happened, and then died offscreen at some point thereafter.
Should we call the Sous Vide heating thing PIS? Or do we consider it a feat for The Witches' Road environment?
Alice has a tattoo that wards off curses her mother made her get.
Supposedly, part of why Sharon died was the others neglecting to include her in brewing the antidote, not just being too late delivering the antidote.
Oh, & a hair of hers wasn't provided for the potion brew, either.
Surprising that Teen/Buford didn't need to drink just because he's not old enough. The Witches' Road cares for such considerations? Or is it because he's more like Agatha's familiar to the trials' system?
I like how the trial featured such an inviting message, that DIDN'T allude to the danger of the poisoning, except indirectly. Feels fitting of a trial for witches.
I don't remember what exactly it was, but Buford mentioned something about his father teaching him something, like how to use a sous-vide. Which is notable, because the "sigil"/glamour, IIRC, muted him reciting his backstory when he & Agatha were driving.
Edelweiss poisoning has quite a number of symptoms, although it also takes nearly 30 minutes to take effect, apparently.
As TV tropes puts it, facial swelling, dizziness, and heart palpitations — the poison forces the coven to hallucinate past traumas and fears.
Were there tremors, too?
Kind of amusing, albeit cliche/letdown how the ingredients were mundane items. Eye of Newt is a term for mustard seed. For other ingredients, she lists "a corpse that's been decaying for 30 million years", having to clarify that it's zooplankton converted into petroleum, and "the gut of a eusocial insect", which "Teen" realizes refers to honey.
Anyone keeping track of the size of The Witches' Road & stuff?
Sharon declaring "Bury me in this kitchen!" shortly after the group first enter the house.
Hah. (Technically, she DIDN'T get that wish....)
Also, Lillia is implied to have had the witch from Hansel & Gretel as a "friend".
TV Tropes claims: In Jennifer's hallucination, her head is forcibly dunked into water by the man who took her powers.
Intrigueing if true.
& of course, there's this notable exchange:
Jennifer: Did you know she traded her own child for the Book of the Damned?
"Teen": [Taken aback] That can't be true.
Jennifer: Nah. Yeah, you're probably right … but that is what people say. They say no one really knows what happened to him; they say he might be dead, others say he might be a demon, or an agent of Mephisto.
Something curious:
Aspect Ratio Switch: While the sequences on the Road are presented in 2.35:1, the sequences inside the cottage for the first test are in 16:9.
It's also notable that Agatha seems to not remember Sharon's real name, despite being told it multiple times.
Come to think of it, with Sharon's reaction to the wine, had she just had that bad a time, or had she not been able to have it during most or all of her recent time in Westview? She got freed from the hex a few years ago, right?
TV Tropes also provides this jarring "perspective":
- What Are Records?: "Teen" has grown up around mobile phones and digital clocks, so he needs the term "counterclockwise" explained to him.
Also, how is it known he's grown up around mobile phones?
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He wasn't part of the Coven (Didn't do the song).
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It looks like Kahhori is getting her own comic:
Marvel Comics’ annual celebration of Native American Heritage Month will be extra special this year with KAHHORI: RESHAPER OF WORLDS #1, a new Marvel’s Voices one-shot that introduces Kahhori, the breakout hero from the second season of Marvel Animation’s anthology Disney+ series What If…?, to the Marvel Comics universe.
Kahhori’s highly-anticipated debut is written and drawn by an array of extraordinary talent: What If…? writer Ryan Little, Marvel Studios artist Todd Harris, Indigenous writers Arihhonni “Honni” David and Kelly Lynne D’Angelo in their Marvel Comics debuts, and acclaimed Marvel artists David Cutler and Jim Terry!
The Mohawk warrior Kahhori fell into Sky World and into our hearts from her first appearance fighting invaders to her home. She’s already helped save all of reality from a demented Doctor Strange and secured peace in her own world… So what NOW?
Chasing a threat out of Sky World, Kahhori lands in the fiery streets of Hell’s Kitchen! But culture shock’s gonna be the least of her problems as her strange adversary tears through time and space. Featuring exciting guest stars like Daredevil, Echo, and Moon Knight, don’t miss this action-packed saga of one of the most exciting characters to emerge from the MCU!
Marvel Comics’ annual celebration of Native American Heritage Month will be extra special this year with KAHHORI: RESHAPER OF WORLDS #1, a new Marvel’s Voices one-shot that introduces Kahhori, the breakout hero from the second season of Marvel Animation’s anthology Disney+ series What If…?, to the Marvel Comics universe.
Kahhori’s highly-anticipated debut is written and drawn by an array of extraordinary talent: What If…? writer Ryan Little, Marvel Studios artist Todd Harris, Indigenous writers Arihhonni “Honni” David and Kelly Lynne D’Angelo in their Marvel Comics debuts, and acclaimed Marvel artists David Cutler and Jim Terry!
The Mohawk warrior Kahhori fell into Sky World and into our hearts from her first appearance fighting invaders to her home. She’s already helped save all of reality from a demented Doctor Strange and secured peace in her own world… So what NOW?
Chasing a threat out of Sky World, Kahhori lands in the fiery streets of Hell’s Kitchen! But culture shock’s gonna be the least of her problems as her strange adversary tears through time and space. Featuring exciting guest stars like Daredevil, Echo, and Moon Knight, don’t miss this action-packed saga of one of the most exciting characters to emerge from the MCU!
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Kinda funny she's featured with street tiers, makes wonder if they'll nerf her or buff the others (I know Moon Knight can reach cosmic levels when channelling Khonshu's true power). Most importantly I just want the story to be fun, action packed and make sense within the context of the setting, it seems dimension/world hopping is gonna be Kahhori's thing tho (space stone incarnate).
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I just finished watching episode 4 of Agatha All Along.
We're gradually getting more abilities shown off.
Rio Vidal considers herself to be the Green Witch.
It might be worth calculating Teen getting thrown through the glass window of the recording studio, considering the impact itself didn't seem to cause him nearly as much issue as the glass shard that pierced him.
We're gradually getting more abilities shown off.
Rio Vidal considers herself to be the Green Witch.
It might be worth calculating Teen getting thrown through the glass window of the recording studio, considering the impact itself didn't seem to cause him nearly as much issue as the glass shard that pierced him.
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It's cringe in terms of implications but Doc Ock breaking the Iron Spider is too significant narratively to just be an outlier, though I'm unsure of how that could be rectified
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I'm convinced that Spidey 4 or something later on will be a Venom crossover meaning Knull is the villain
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Probably. I'm already skeptical about Knull being in Venom 3 and how they will handle him (calling dibs!)
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Based off what I've heard Knull isn't the main villain the way you think, he's the greater scope villain
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Mmh well of that's the case, that's reassuring, it means there's a chance not to screw everything up, at least not completely. But then who will be the main villain then? The humans? A symbiote? Possibly both, though I guess humans will quickly get overshadowed
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I hope that the reports of Andy Serkis playing him are accurate. That's incredible casting.
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I've heard that he's actually played by Norman Readus
Probably Toxin and whatever Human faction is in the movie
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Is there a calc for civil war giant antman striking ? Do we know how strong he is
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Hum...guys?
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Yeah, we've known
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What? How did I miss this...
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I wonder if they'll slip in a Thanos reference (if you know, you know)...
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Does John have the best super soldier serum?
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So I'm really the only one who didn't know and is surprised by this 
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No, Captain America should have the best one because it still increased his muscle mass aside from the base strenght of the serum, Jonh has the same used by the other flag smashers but he is stronger because he was already a buffed soldier prior to the serum.
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I don't see why he would, he never shows feats any more impressive then most of the other super soldiers in the series
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Doesn't he toss around Bucky like crazy in F&TWS? The fight over the shield I believe. Cap was much more on par with Bucky.
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I mean to be fair it took Bucky and Falcon 2v1 just to barely beat him and even then it ended in a draw with all 3 on the floor
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How much of that was the serum, though, and how much of it was the fact that Walker had trained extensively before then?
Although, now that I think of it, the leader of the Flagsmashers seemed physically stronger than Bucky and was a teenage girl. So that would indicate that serum was much stronger than the original or the Winter Soldier version.
Although, now that I think of it, the leader of the Flagsmashers seemed physically stronger than Bucky and was a teenage girl. So that would indicate that serum was much stronger than the original or the Winter Soldier version.
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I just saw Episode 4 of Agatha All Along.
So I guess Jennifer can heal with Water & Moonlight. Surprised her chanting worked in spite of the seal on her magic. Has The Road's power let her get past some of it?
The explanation that Sigils cannot be lifted, only "destroyed" when they're no longer needed seems like a cheap cop out to say "Wait & see" & force character development.
I don't like it.
I guess the characters have some musical skills?
MAYBE Broadway Force, too, but that could just be The Road's magic, since it sets up these trials?
Speaking of, it has some kind of Spatial Manipulation since it relocated the house when Alice tried to walk away.
Alice's mom used a modified version of The Witch's ballad to protect Alice against her family's curse of bad luck, supposedly, which The Road worsened & spread to everyone else for a trial or something? Or at least spread the mark? & apparently Lorna's concerts were how she used her magic, with her audience as the coven (??) to cast her protection "spells" on her daughter?
I forget who did it, but they can carve a protective circle to shield against the effects of the curse.
I assume they didn't summon a new Green Witch until now because they weren't desperate enough, but it seems like you need "coven true". Does that mean they won't get power because they've been cheating the coven requirements? (No Green Witch to begin with, & now they summoned one who wasn't with them when they entered?)
But apparently, when last she walked it, only 1 left?
Buford sort of has a 9-B feat for being launched by the curse/monster, right?
Though it's honestly sort of surprising he didn't notice his big injury before.
Lilia was apparently bitten by a vampire, before she "knocked out his other tooth". Only one tooth bit in? Is she a vampire? A cured one? Have we seen any MCU vampires?
Presumably, Alice is free of her bad luck curse now, no? Did The Road give it physical form or something so they could destroy it, or just make it visible/interactable? (IIRC, it burned to death, no?)
Other stuff from TV Tropes:
Lilia is very quick to give Jen the credit for healing "Teen"'s injury, but Agatha pleads with Rio to save him, implying that Rio herself may have been the one to reverse his wounds rather than Jen.
Agatha implies that she was responsible for taking down the "Daughters of Liberty" before they had been around long enough for anyone to remember them; considering that she lived through The American Revolution, the Daughters of Liberty were probably a Distaff Counterpart to the Real Life Sons of Liberty, a loose organization of people resisting repressive colonial laws and taxes in various aggressive and violent ways.
It's also a shoutout to a team that Agatha was part of.
There was, in fact, an all-women organization called the Daughters of Liberty from the era of the American Revolution. Maybe the show is giving them a fictional Historical Villain Upgrade to be witches rather then revolutionaries.
Lorna's version of "The Ballad of the Witches' Road" is revealed to be a protection spell that's meant to combat her family's curse. The only way that the coven can vanquish it for good is by performing the whole song together. Agatha theorizes that Lorna made it a popular song so that someone, somewhere would always be singing it and thus always refresh its effects.
This would imply non-Witches, magic users, could refresh a spell's effects. (Also, the song has never come up elsewhere in the MCU, right? Great popular song, lol.)
Combined with Company Cross-References. Agatha’s Latin chant when summoning a new witch is “esse wirides non facile”, which translates to “It’s not easy being green”.
Mythology Gag: Agatha implies that she received her scar while fighting against the Daughters of Liberty
who she was an ally of in the comics.
Personally, I don't like musical episodes, so this was one of the weaker episodes to me.
So I guess Jennifer can heal with Water & Moonlight. Surprised her chanting worked in spite of the seal on her magic. Has The Road's power let her get past some of it?
The explanation that Sigils cannot be lifted, only "destroyed" when they're no longer needed seems like a cheap cop out to say "Wait & see" & force character development.
I don't like it.
I guess the characters have some musical skills?
MAYBE Broadway Force, too, but that could just be The Road's magic, since it sets up these trials?
Speaking of, it has some kind of Spatial Manipulation since it relocated the house when Alice tried to walk away.
Alice's mom used a modified version of The Witch's ballad to protect Alice against her family's curse of bad luck, supposedly, which The Road worsened & spread to everyone else for a trial or something? Or at least spread the mark? & apparently Lorna's concerts were how she used her magic, with her audience as the coven (??) to cast her protection "spells" on her daughter?
I forget who did it, but they can carve a protective circle to shield against the effects of the curse.
I assume they didn't summon a new Green Witch until now because they weren't desperate enough, but it seems like you need "coven true". Does that mean they won't get power because they've been cheating the coven requirements? (No Green Witch to begin with, & now they summoned one who wasn't with them when they entered?)
But apparently, when last she walked it, only 1 left?
Buford sort of has a 9-B feat for being launched by the curse/monster, right?
Though it's honestly sort of surprising he didn't notice his big injury before.
Lilia was apparently bitten by a vampire, before she "knocked out his other tooth". Only one tooth bit in? Is she a vampire? A cured one? Have we seen any MCU vampires?
Presumably, Alice is free of her bad luck curse now, no? Did The Road give it physical form or something so they could destroy it, or just make it visible/interactable? (IIRC, it burned to death, no?)
Other stuff from TV Tropes:
Lilia is very quick to give Jen the credit for healing "Teen"'s injury, but Agatha pleads with Rio to save him, implying that Rio herself may have been the one to reverse his wounds rather than Jen.
Agatha implies that she was responsible for taking down the "Daughters of Liberty" before they had been around long enough for anyone to remember them; considering that she lived through The American Revolution, the Daughters of Liberty were probably a Distaff Counterpart to the Real Life Sons of Liberty, a loose organization of people resisting repressive colonial laws and taxes in various aggressive and violent ways.
It's also a shoutout to a team that Agatha was part of.
There was, in fact, an all-women organization called the Daughters of Liberty from the era of the American Revolution. Maybe the show is giving them a fictional Historical Villain Upgrade to be witches rather then revolutionaries.
Lorna's version of "The Ballad of the Witches' Road" is revealed to be a protection spell that's meant to combat her family's curse. The only way that the coven can vanquish it for good is by performing the whole song together. Agatha theorizes that Lorna made it a popular song so that someone, somewhere would always be singing it and thus always refresh its effects.
This would imply non-Witches, magic users, could refresh a spell's effects. (Also, the song has never come up elsewhere in the MCU, right? Great popular song, lol.)
Combined with Company Cross-References. Agatha’s Latin chant when summoning a new witch is “esse wirides non facile”, which translates to “It’s not easy being green”.
Mythology Gag: Agatha implies that she received her scar while fighting against the Daughters of Liberty
who she was an ally of in the comics.Personally, I don't like musical episodes, so this was one of the weaker episodes to me.
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Do we have any statements on which serum is the best?
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What counts as conventional military weapons on the mcu?
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I just finished watching episode 5 of Agatha All Along.
The Salem Seven get to demonstrate some transformation abilities.
Well, so much for Alice getting to live a curse-free life...
Wiccan is revealed...
The Salem Seven get to demonstrate some transformation abilities.
Well, so much for Alice getting to live a curse-free life...
Wiccan is revealed...
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Has Cassandra's profile been made? Cause I have a blog for her
