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Overall it was probably the weakest episode in terms of dialogue/action/effects, but Wiccan's reveal at the end was pretty cool
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MCU Phase 5 General Discussion Thread
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Thoughts?
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Strange is a fraud?
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Ayo Denzel is Dormammu
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I didn't even know they were MAKING a Doctor Strange 3...
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The car crash that kill Billy Kaplan, allowing Billy Maximoff to take over his body, is shown.
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Not the best thing especially since I wanted more Magic and less drama but I like it so far. Also, "In the end, all roads lead to me", is it Agatha saying this or is it...you know
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Just saw it recently myself. Weren't they sort of already indicated to be able to do that, with the rat & raven ones, too?
There was also some mutant one that they flew through on brooms.
The Road appears to have gravity manipulation, too.
Not sure if there was anything else notable feat-wise.
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I don't think so. Honestly, except for Wiccan showing telekinesis and mind control at the end, there's not a lot feat-wise. It's a bit of a letdown for me since I really wanted the series to show more Magic but hey, still four episodes to get that and the juicy stuff might come later (especially if HE makes an appearence. Btw, if that happens, calling dibs on his potential profile right now)
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Wiccan did Mind Control? On who? The other Coven members?
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When he forced Lili and Jennifer into pushing Agatha off the Witches's Road. Might be something else though
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I didn't realize that was just Mind Control, & just figured it was them hating her.
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Yeah, their eyes were glowing blue
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Looking once again at the statement from the Wakanda Files that the Chobham plated armor used on Hammer Drones (except possibly the Air Force Drone) is supposed to be able to withstand a barrage of BGM-71 missiles, with the Marine Drones having it double-plated:
BGM-71 missiles have a warhead weight between 3.9-6.14 kg (average of that range would be 5.02 kg)
There's a fairly wide range of what could be considered a barrage
BGM-71 missiles have a warhead weight between 3.9-6.14 kg (average of that range would be 5.02 kg)
There's a fairly wide range of what could be considered a barrage
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Looking once again at the statement from the Wakanda Files that the Chobham plated armor used on Hammer Drones (except possibly the Air Force Drone) is supposed to be able to withstand a barrage of BGM-71 missiles, with the Marine Drones having it double-plated:
BGM-71 missiles have a warhead weight between 3.9-6.14 kg (average of that range would be 5.02 kg)
There's a fairly wide range of what could be considered a barrage
So something in line with the M1 Abrams' armor then?
https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/M1_Abrams
But the question turns into how this is applicable to the Hammer Drones since Hammer is only saying that they use the same armor, but not the same design or amount as British tanks which were able to withstand said anti-tank weapons due to the arrangement and thickness of the armor.
Chobham armor is designed to be thick since it's composed of ceramic tiles, and layers of elastic materials within a metal framework (aka box)
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If that statement isn't fully applicable, there's also still the Iron Man Manual stating that the Army Drones have the firepower of a tank, and that their armor can withstand anti-tank rounds:
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Imagine doubling down on the worst joke to come out of WandaVision after it got so much justified hate. At least they tried to highlight a little bit how much trauma the people of WestView went through... but it's also being told by a character who's entire existence is meant to be a joke so idk.
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Now this combined with the previous statement makes it more possible since in this one it says its armor it built to withstand Anti-Tank weapons whereas the previous one just says they use the same armor as British tanksIf that statement isn't fully applicable, there's also still the Iron Man Manual stating that the Army Drones have the firepower of a tank, and that their armor can withstand anti-tank rounds:
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I just finished watching episode 6 of Agatha All Along.
Despite managing to tap into them, Billy Kaplan/Maximoff currently doesn't have full control over his powers.
Apparently Agatha caused the Hindenburg disaster.
Agatha in her powerless state was able to slightly harm Billy during his "interrogation".
Heh heh, Bohnerrific69...
Despite managing to tap into them, Billy Kaplan/Maximoff currently doesn't have full control over his powers.
Apparently Agatha caused the Hindenburg disaster.
Agatha in her powerless state was able to slightly harm Billy during his "interrogation".
Heh heh, Bohnerrific69...
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Wonder if it's possible to make a good calc out of it
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Funny because in Agatha's mind she throws Billy out of the chair but in reality she just lightly kicked Billy who barely moved.
"Quicksilver" coming back. Marvel could have kept the joke and call him noobmaster69 lost the chance for the joke
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Probably depends on the assumptions made, considering the lack of details provided. The Hindenburg had a volume of 200,000 cubic meters (7,062,000 cubic feet), so perhaps there could be some potential.
Looking at the episode again, it also seemed heavily implied that Agatha had some sort of involvement with the sinking of the Titanic as well.
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I doubt we can actually use that, we don't know how she did it. The real one was an accident in which it caught on fire so depending on how she did it a small flame could have caused it.
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Been rewatching Deadpool & Wolverine. The intro is beyond perfect. I can't help but imagining Loki watching this as the God of Stories and just laughing his ass off of it while eating some pop corn
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Starlord, Deadpool and Logan say "f*ck". GotG Vol. 3 & Deadpool and Wolverine earn lots of money. Coincidence?
People in charge of Daredevil: write that down.
People in charge of Daredevil: write that down.
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I don't know about the original version but in French, MCU characters are swearing more often and promoting a series or movie by saying "the characters say one swear word" is bound to be utterly ridiculous at best
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one of the Deadpool variants survived the comics and made his way to mcu comics canon or no ?
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one of the Deadpool variants survived the comics and made his way to mcu comics canon or no ?
From the way they phrase it, it seems like they're more just saying "He has made his way off the page and into the movies!" They're pretty much just saying that headpool finally has a movie appearance, not that the headpool from marvel comics & the headpool from the MCU are the same headpool
Plus the issue for why the Marvel Comics and the MCU aren't connected is because of vastly different cosmology. That's why the 2 verses aren't considered the same, because one of them has a cosmology vastly different from another. You need to prove how the 2 multiverses can exist at the same time in the same cosmology without going against the others pre-established cosmology. This isn't a case of "Look! The comics referenced the movies therefore that's proof that they're in the same multiverse!" or vice versa, it's a case of "how can these 2 be in the same multiverse despite having vastly different cosmologies and ways of how the multiverse work?" If you can give us an answer to that, then we can consider connecting Marvel Comics & the MCU, but until then, everything suggesting that they might be in the same multiverse is either outdated & before the MCU established its own multiverse or is just an easter egg
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the way it’s phrased is they are saying he originated here survived decap then made his way into the mcu they wouldn’t say he survived unless he didn’t experience an event that happened in the comics before coming a lot of stuff especially the ones that look like comic characters are called variants of comics and variants can only exist if the original exists meaning somewhere the comics have to exist or we couldn’t have infinite variants of them
There was apparently some cut ideas which had Deadpool accidentally go into the MCU the marvel comic universe and the MCRU and make jokes about being in the wrong one before eventually finding the right one the LA MCU shows that there has to be a connection otherwise stuff like that wouldn’t be possible or even thought of
not really you can say everything in marvel comics takes place in Loki tree as the book itself mentions there are infinite possibilities with the multiverse or you can say there are 2 separate multiverses essentially there is a room with 2 boxes inside 1 is the LA MCu verse the other is comics the room is Kevin worlds which sees both as fiction along with other Disney products which fits the fact Kevin world sees marvel comics as fiction along with the movies and Disney because it’s supposed to be the real world
the only reason why don’t have an official answer for how the two cosmologies would interact is because nobody has ever asked anyone with authority of the mcu that question
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Not canon.
one of the Deadpool variants survived the comics and made his way to mcu comics canon or no ?
Marvel Comics and MCU are separate Multiverse from each other.
Headpool making a leap from the comics to the MCU is saying he made an appearance in the MCU much like every other MCU characters with Comic book counterparts.
If you really know your stuffs about Marvel Comics you would know that Headpool is from Earth 2149 that made his way to Marvel Comic Earth 616 (mainstream Marvel Universe).
How MCU and Marvel Comics works are far far different and even "if" they were to be canon it would just be an alternate reality.
Not a way to prove canonicity or existence of another Multiverse
Even if we asked. It wouldn't change anything if the Comicbook officials says otherwise and the Comicbook itself contradicts it.
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one of the Deadpool variants survived the comics and made his way to mcu comics canon or no ?
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I honestly don't know where you're getting that. I was stoned as f*ck when I read that and I could still pretty clearly see that he was saying that this is the first time we saw headpool in a movie, not that the comics headpool made his way to the MCU
He said "yet to make the leap" because the other characters that have made the leap from the comics to the MCU is litteraly every other comic character in the MCU we had seen beforehand. Are you going to argue that MCU Iron Man is actually Comics Iron Man because back in 2008 some people said "He made the leap from the Comics to the big screen"?
As for the Deadpool thing:
1. Scan?
2. Quit using CUT IDEAS to try & support your stuff. It was cut, meaning that it's not canon. Also depending on the time period, this could've been pre-Loki MCU before the MCU established its own multiverse and thus could've been tied into the comics, which would just make that comic outdated. The MCU before it went on its own path with the multiverse was considered by some staff to be apart of the Comics multiverse, but that is now outdated with Loki & the MCUs now established multiverse
You litteraly can't
Read the Marvel Comics Cosmology Blog & The MCU Cosmology Blog. These 2 cosmologies don't work together. You can't just say that the multiverse has infinite possibilities and use that as your proof for why the comics & MCU are connected. Using that logic, I'd also like to argue that DC comics & the DCEU are connected to the MCU because it's an infinite multiverse with infinite possibilities, therefore DC Comics & the DCEU are canon to the MCU.
On a very fundemental level their multiverses work vastly differently. You need to supply actual evidence as to how these 2 multiverses work together. And by evidence, I mean actual statements from someone like Kevin Fegie himself or an explanation from someone of that status saying how the 2 multiverses with vastly different cosmologies & rules can work like that. What you gave is litteral headcannon. It's your own fanfiction on how it would work. But how you think it would work isn't how it would actually work.
In order for these 2 cosmologies to work together, you have to give me solid answers to the following:
- How come none of the comics reference K.E.V.I.N? If they're in the same multiverse, K.E.V.I.N would also be the comics supreme being, but he's not, the One Above All is their supreme being. How does that work?
- In the comics, Earth 616 is the prime reality. But in the MCU, the sacred timeline is the prime reality. Why are there multiple prime realities?
- The Neverspace in the comics doesn't exist in the MCU, and dead timelines don't go there
- Why does the TVA not appear in the comics?
- Why is the Temporal Loom never talked about in the comics?
- In Marvel Comics the space between timelines is called Hyperspace, but in the MCU it's the Gap Junction. They are not alike at all. If they're in the same multiverse, why does the space between their multiverses behave so differently?
- If Hyperspace & the gap junction are the same thing (even though they behave very differently) then what's yoru explanation for the comics Negative Zone, which is inside of Hyperspace?
- Absolute Points, Canon Events, Nexus Beings, ect don't exist in Marvel Comics
- I was going to put more here but I honestly didn't realize how obsurdly complex Marvel Comics multiverse truely is, and how many times it clashes with the MCU's established rules, and I don't want to go on for the next 5,000 pages about all the ways that they clash
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I recently saw episode 6 of Agatha All Along.
Was wowed by what a good episode, probably the best of the season/show, so far, IMHO.
Lots of on-screen text I wish I could check, but fear would take a while to check, too.
Did anyone happen to get screenshots of stuff like the spell instructions William checks?
It also brings up questions & intrigue.
William Kaplan was a cheerful, religious person, & who could seemingly speak Hebrew but Billy seems to like gothic makeup, unlike him.
But we never see any sign Billy has that, & in fact, he claims to not remember anything before the car crash. No memories from William's life.
Really, it's tragic to see someone with such faith & knowledge seemingly lose it.
Lillia mentions his lifeline is split in two. Is there some timeline stuff going on? Is the original William dead, or just dormant?
How is the sigil tile a "puzzle"? Billy broke it, but Agatha said Sigils can't be destroyed, right? Is it for the sigil, or something else?
Is Billy like a ghost? If he was just a product of Wanda's spell that affected only stuff in the hex, how did he go out to possess someone, even a halfly or wholely dead person like William?
Supposedly, it happened when the Hex was collapsing?
The explanation of the telepathy seems to be that it's for those he cares about, but we see him do it for folks like the doctor & Randall.
We also got more description of being a hex victim, with Randall saying, IIRC, you can't think or say or do anything without Wanda letting you.
Also, technically, Ralph killed Sparky (Under Agatha's control.) by poisoning. Useful if we care about equipment for him or something. Poor Randall & Sparky, though.
TV Tropes says:
This indicates Memory Manipulation for the Sigil.
IIRC, Agatha said something about "every witch with a heartbeat" could hear it?
Other stuff:
Agatha seems to act as if she has killed more witches than she can count. Experience feat?
Something else: Apparently, the lines on the radio are from episode 1:
Was wowed by what a good episode, probably the best of the season/show, so far, IMHO.
Lots of on-screen text I wish I could check, but fear would take a while to check, too.
Did anyone happen to get screenshots of stuff like the spell instructions William checks?
It also brings up questions & intrigue.
William Kaplan was a cheerful, religious person, & who could seemingly speak Hebrew but Billy seems to like gothic makeup, unlike him.
But we never see any sign Billy has that, & in fact, he claims to not remember anything before the car crash. No memories from William's life.
Really, it's tragic to see someone with such faith & knowledge seemingly lose it.
Lillia mentions his lifeline is split in two. Is there some timeline stuff going on? Is the original William dead, or just dormant?
How is the sigil tile a "puzzle"? Billy broke it, but Agatha said Sigils can't be destroyed, right? Is it for the sigil, or something else?
Is Billy like a ghost? If he was just a product of Wanda's spell that affected only stuff in the hex, how did he go out to possess someone, even a halfly or wholely dead person like William?
Supposedly, it happened when the Hex was collapsing?
The explanation of the telepathy seems to be that it's for those he cares about, but we see him do it for folks like the doctor & Randall.
We also got more description of being a hex victim, with Randall saying, IIRC, you can't think or say or do anything without Wanda letting you.
Also, technically, Ralph killed Sparky (Under Agatha's control.) by poisoning. Useful if we care about equipment for him or something. Poor Randall & Sparky, though.
TV Tropes says:
- Connected All Along: Lilia and Alice met William briefly on the day he died and came back; Lilia was at his Bar Mitzvah and Alice was one of the police officers who responded to the car accident. However, due to the effects of the sigil that Lilia unconsciously cast on him, neither of them end up remembering him. Billy also never met Jennifer personally, but is shown to be a fan of her skincare videos.
- Laser-Guided Amnesia: As soon as Lilia places the sigil in William's jacket, successfully casting it on him, she immediately forgets what she's done and who he is, giving his jacket to someone to have it returned to him.
- Agatha is able to fully perceive Billy's true identity (she had a hunch earlier; "you don't need to know a person's name to know who they are") when he breaks the sigil token Lilia gave him, but, as she points out, so can every living witch from whom he had previously been protected.
This indicates Memory Manipulation for the Sigil.
IIRC, Agatha said something about "every witch with a heartbeat" could hear it?
Other stuff:
- Pet Positive Identification: The Kaplans' dog, Greg, is able to tell something is off about William, as shown when he barks wildly in his presence.
- Physical Scars, Psychological Scars: Lillia tells William that his lifeline is cut in two, foreshadowing that William will die and be replaced by Billy. After the car accident, Billy's left eyebrow is split by a scar received in the wreck.
- Series Continuity Error: Near the end of William's Bar Mitzvah, Jeff Kaplan informs the people that they have to evacuate the place, due to the anomaly at Westview acting up and putting them in danger. How anyone is aware of this doesn't make any sense though, as WandaVisionestablished that those outside of the Hex with a connection or awareness to Westview weren't able to remember or see the place so long as the Hex itself was still up.
- Though Jeff does sound slightly surprised as he says the word “Westview”, almost as if he is asking a question - “We've been informed there's something happening with the anomaly in… Westview?” - so perhaps the memories are coming back as the Hex disintegrates.
- Been There, Shaped History: While doing research on Agatha, Billy finds out that she caused the sinking of the Titanic, the Hindenburg disaster, and was the inspiration for Dolly Parton's song "Jolene."
- When Billy is searching up about Agatha Harkness, she is revealed to have been involved somehow with the Sinking of the Titanic on April 12, 1912.
- Tarot Motifs: Lilia says, "The Tower reversed" when reading William's future, signifying that he's going to face significant internal upheaval or resist change that is coming.
Agatha seems to act as if she has killed more witches than she can count. Experience feat?
Something else: Apparently, the lines on the radio are from episode 1:
- Vision and Wanda's voices is heard on the car radio, when are says "My wife and her flying saucers" and "My husband and his indestructible head" from the first episode of WandaVision.
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Been a while now but my Cassandra Nova blog is ready so I would like to post her profile if the blog is okay for everyone
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Cassandra Nova (Marvel Cinematic Universe)
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LS for breaking necks should be based off this, and that IDK if it should be posted as Deadpool's profile is supposed to be revised to be consistent with this proposalBeen a while now but my Cassandra Nova blog is ready so I would like to post her profile if the blog is okay for everyone
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Didn't know about the revision
Also, Rio is Death confirmed and I'm definitely putting dibs on her
Also, Rio is Death confirmed and I'm definitely putting dibs on her
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