First we saw that since the avengers when they showed tesseract could be stopped the mind stone on the scepter, they showed again because of Wanda's connection she could more easily destroy the mind stone.
Rocket said "When Thanos snapped his fingers, Earth became ground zero for a power surge of ridiculously cosmic proportions. No one's ever seen anything like it."
Full blast would still scale to the Power Stone who's 3-A either way
yeah but that wasn’t the argument the debunk people are trying to say is that the beam can’t be any higher then universal since the snap fried it why the snap only affected 1 universe and since the beam didn’t damage the gauntlet it was a weak
Absolutely not, massive outlier on their partsAnyway can super soldier/spidey tier characters scale or no
All of them? at this point you can’t have feats cause if everything is an outlier
Except the super soldier/spider-man crews has their own set of anti-feats and just scaling them to the god tiers for no reason will just mess up their own stories all together. And do me a favor and take a look at this page
Stormbreaker upgrade🗣
I can't see Spidey scale to Hulk knowing bro has no difficulty slamming him
Bro what that’s not even the same spideyI can't see Spidey scale to Hulk knowing bro has no difficulty slamming him
I mean bro couldn't even harm him
Everyone has anti feats even god tiers my guy it’s Live action they aren’t going to be consistent in any way
Doesn't mean you can just avoid anti-feats any way you want it. You don't just take any feats as reliable for no reason, you have to evaluate them and have some boundaries in between them
Ok so we’re not avoiding anti feats go ahead and start the crt downgrade then because god tiers are below car level
I'm just gonna stop responding here, as you don't seem to understand the point of outliers at all even though I linked you to the page a moment ago. And now you're just taking what I said out of context with this one scene that actually does not count as an anti-feat at all considering it was done from a character comparable to one another. So have a nice dayOk so we’re not avoiding anti feats go ahead and start the crt downgrade then because god tiers are below car level
What are you on about yes it counts as an anti feat its literally gorr doing basically no damage to a car a character is literally slamming a character into a car hard enough to affect said person Thor and doing basically nothing to the car that’s an anti feat
This wiki has a page explaining the difference between attack potency and destruction capacity
vsbattles.fandom.com
Not the same thing my guy do you understand how throwing someone works they physically can’t be hurt until they hit something this isn’t even remotely the same as say thanos who punches yet produces no shock waves or something that’s a ap or dc difference
Very clear outliersAnyway can super soldier/spidey tier characters scale or no
Would you agree on that:
Can yall give your opinions on this?
I did not cook with this oneCan yall give your opinions on this?
Stormbreaker Upgrade (I promise this one isn't bad🙏)
So hum I think Stormbreaker should be updated to 3-A for the simplests reasons In Infinity War, Stormbreaker was able to overpower a full blast from the gaunlet. Now this obviously won't scale to the snap, as the gaunlet was damaged bc of that, indicating more energy was put in with the snap...vsbattles.com
Yk you could have just sent all your proofs here instead of making a new CRT which goes against the rulesBack at you all with the point nobody debunked. Please address:
3-B MCU Thor (Onscreen + WoG Proofs)
Nobody actually debunked this in my previous post that had a bunch of other higher tier stuff, so I'm isolating on this CRT submission: "Stormbreaker gives Thor the ability to grow to physically multi-galactic in size by standing before Eternity, the living embodiment of the universe."...
(U posted it too soon)Nobody actually debunked this in my previous post that had a bunch of other higher tier stuff, so I'm isolating on this CRT submission:Yk you could have just sent all your proofs here instead of making a new CRT which goes against the rules
I don't really get that part, how exactly is Stormbreaker transcending people to a Low 2-C Higher Dimension?
I told you it broke the rule. Propellus already closed itBack at you all with the point nobody debunked. Please address:
3-B MCU Thor (Onscreen + WoG Proofs)
Nobody actually debunked this in my previous post that had a bunch of other higher tier stuff, so I'm isolating on this CRT submission: "Stormbreaker gives Thor the ability to grow to physically multi-galactic in size by standing before Eternity, the living embodiment of the universe."...
Because Eternity itself is a Low 2-C being, as VSB acknowledges here:
Yeah I do my best to understand all VSB's rules, but honestly that is like taking on a second a full-time job.I told you it broke the rule. Propellus already closed it
Relatable
I couldn't respond to the other thread since it just got locked, so I'll try responding here (note: my knowledge of Phase 4 and beyond is nonexistent, so I'm approaching this as someone only familiar with the comics).Nobody actually debunked this in my previous post that had a bunch of other higher tier stuff, so I'm isolating on this CRT submission:
"Stormbreaker gives Thor the ability to grow to physically multi-galactic in size by standing before Eternity, the living embodiment of the universe."
Onscreen and WoG proofs:
The book "The Art of Marvel Studios Thor Love & Thunder" says:
"As Gorr steps through, they all find themselves before the cosmic entity he was seeking: Eternity"
"Eternity, the living embodiment of the universe, was introduced into Marvel Comics as long ago as 1965's Strange Tales #138, from the boundless imagination of Stan Lee and Steve Ditko. In sheer scale, he is the biggest character that Andy Park has translated for the Marvel Cinematic Universe"
"But eventually, Taika went, 'Let's keep it simple and stick with what Eternity looks like in the comics"
Note that VSB has comic book Hank Pym scaling to low outerverse level ATTACK POTENCY for ascending to Eternity's plane of existence. This is the same concept, just smaller scale.
https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/Hank_Pym_(Marvel_Comics)
Note that VSB has MCU Celestials at multi-galactic attack potency based on sheer physical size. This is the same concept.
https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/Celestials_(Marvel_Cinematic_Universe)
Low 2-C MCU Eternity's VSB profile says it has a "pocket reality"
https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/Eternity_(Marvel_Cinematic_Universe)#:~:text=5 References-,Summary,universe, expanding life and creation.
But there is no WoG statement that Thor enters a "pocket reality," instead of standing before the true Eternity itself
The only WoG statements available (which I provide here above) are that L&T showed the actual Eternity, which literally is a universe.
The book "The Art of Marvel Guardians of the Galaxy" says that:
https://www.google.com/books/editio...axy:+The+Art+Of+The+Movie&printsec=frontcover
"Eternity represents all time in the universe, and has unlimited ability to manipulate time, space, matter, energy, or reality."
The official Disney Plus audio description of this scene says "Gorr approaches a giant seated figure whose body resembles a view of the cosmos."
The cosmos means the universe.
https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/cosmos
https://dictionary.cambridge.org/us/dictionary/english/cosmos
That means Stormbreaker, by summoning the Bifrost, can transcend people to a Low 2-C higher dimension -- not a pocket reality -- beyond the time and physical space of the universe and grow them in physical size to large multi-galactic based on onscreen visuals.
And Thor currently possesses Stormbreaker. Growing to the size shown in the image below is itself sufficient to give Thor 3-B attack potency.
So you intend to use the nature of comics Eternity as supporting/conclusive evidence? If that's the case, I'll refer to the comics too.
That's not how it works in the comics. Every time we see abstract entities in the universe (in their humanoid forms, that is), they're appearing as "Manifestation Bodies" or M-Bodies. Eternity's M-Body is only omnipresent within itself and only encompasses the full size of the universe within itself, as shown with comics Thanos becoming the embodiment of the universe by thrashing Eternity's M-body, or Aleta and Stakar leaving the universe by passing through a wound in M-body Eternity's substance. If you really want to propose that M-Body/Humanoid abstracts encompass the universe outside of themselves too, I hope you're ready to support normal buildings in the mainline comics being Low 1-A.
No. The Celestials gain their cosmic AP from Large Size, while Eternity gains his AP from Abstract Existence. It's entirely different. And I believe that's the crux of the misunderstanding.
The difference here is that these characters have feats/statements of reaching the same level of existence as abstract entities, combined with bare minimum proof of these realities being higher dimensions in the first place. Stormbreaker lacks the feats/statements for reaching that tier, and the argument against that ("Eternity embodies the universe, so a place he resides is universally large by default") doesn't work since the definition of Abstract Existence is embodying an abstract essence, which is different from literally being one.
I couldn't respond to the other thread since it just got locked, so I'll try responding here (note: my knowledge of Phase 4 and beyond is nonexistent, so I'm approaching this as someone only familiar with the comics).
So you intend to use the nature of comics Eternity as supporting/conclusive evidence? If that's the case, I'll refer to the comics too.
That's not how it works in the comics. Every time we see abstract entities in the universe (in their humanoid forms, that is), they're appearing as "Manifestation Bodies" or M-Bodies. Eternity's M-Body is only omnipresent within itself and only encompasses the full size of the universe within itself, as shown with comics Thanos becoming the embodiment of the universe by thrashing Eternity's M-body, or Aleta and Stakar leaving the universe by passing through a wound in M-body Eternity's substance. If you really want to propose that M-Body/Humanoid abstracts encompass the universe outside of themselves too, I hope you're ready to support normal buildings in the mainline comics being Low 1-A.
From what I understand, this is how we treat all characters on the wiki who embody space-time continuums. Defeating someone like that is an obvious tier 2 feat, but it's pretty obvious from a glance that these characters aren't meant to be cosmic-sized on the outside.
No. The Celestials gain their cosmic AP from Large Size, while Eternity gains his AP from Abstract Existence. It's entirely different. And I believe that's the crux of the misunderstanding.
For the comics, we indeed grant certain characters Omniversal Tiers for ascending into higher dimensions (provided they have the right feats/statements). Some examples:
The difference here is that these characters have feats/statements of reaching the same level of existence as abstract entities, combined with bare minimum proof of these realities being higher dimensions in the first place. Stormbreaker lacks the feats/statements for reaching that tier, and the argument against that ("Eternity embodies the universe, so a place he resides is universally large by default") doesn't work since the definition of Abstract Existence is embodying an abstract essence, which is different from literally being one.
He was lifting the enitre building. I may be wrong
