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MCU Phase 5 General Discussion Thread

OneBleachHurricane said:
And? Do you know the context of how he killed Thor? Or how he destroyed the planets? Or how he destroyed the timelines?
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We can at least assume it was pre-Ragnarok Thor in his "normal" level I believe so 6-B. I mean, story-wise, there would literally be no reason for this to be worth mentionning if Thor was particulary weak, this was clearly a "we officially establish how dangerous our new main villain is" moment, it wouldn't make sense for the movie to mention that if it wasn't impressive, not to mention that if he killed Avengers before, there's NO way all the versions he fought and killed were weaker than Sacred Timeline Avengers without even a single exception

For the rest, yes, we do know how he did it: technology.
 
ArkhamDC06 said:
We can at least assume it was pre-Ragnarok Thor in his "normal" level I believe so 6-B. I mean, story-wise, there would literally be no reason for this to be worth mentionning if Thor was particulary weak, this was clearly a "we officially establish how dangerous our new main villain is" moment, it wouldn't make sense for the movie to mention that if it wasn't impressive, not to mention that if he killed Avengers before, there's NO way all the versions he fought and killed were weaker than Sacred Timeline Avengers without even a single exception
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Where in my post did I say that the Thor he killed was weaker?
ArkhamDC06 said:
For the rest, yes, we do know how he did it: technology.
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Obviously, but context still matters. Was it something he could do immediately or was it through prep? And if so was it purely AP with no Hax involved?
 

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Dinobot1996 said:
“Kang’s a very powerful person, but when we meet him he’s in a position where he needs to get that power back,” teases Feige. “He has a ship and a device that would allow him to go anywhere, and anywhen he wants if he can get it online. If only he had access to genius scientists with Pym particles.”
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Seems to be referring to power gained via conquest
 
OneBleachHurricane said:
Where in my post did I say that the Thor he killed was weaker?
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You didn't, I just thought some at least would use the "We have no proof that this Thor was as strong as the main one" argument so I used this opportunity to bring this here
OneBleachHurricane said:
Obviously, but context still matters. Was it something he could do immediately or was it through prep? And if so was it purely AP with no Hax involved?
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Given what we see of his tech, it would be more AP than hax (his only display of hax in Quantumania would be him threatening to make Scott eternally relieve Cassie's death and his paralyzing of Janet but the first one would still need to kill Cassie by himself and the second isn't deadly), the rest is just about laser beam and pure AP (if we put aside his ship and chair naturally but they don't seem to be weapons)

Of course, we barely saw anything of his tech yet and judging by the comment above, he's not at full power
 
Another statement, this time from the writer of Quantumania:

"I really defend our portrayal of Kang because we got to show a weakened, vulnerable Kang that’s sort of like 'Lion in Winter' Kang, exiled Kang, and we got to strip him away from his almost omnipotent time powers, and we really got to see the person. I think that really shines through in those scenes with Janet. That, to me, was way more important than showing a flashback of him killing the Hulk or something, you know? There’s gonna be plenty of time for that stuff. Don’t worry."
 
Dinobot1996 said:
we got to show a weakened, vulnerable Kang that’s sort of like 'Lion in Winter' Kang, exiled Kang, and we got to strip him away from his almost omnipotent time powers, and we really got to see the person. I think that really shines through in those scenes with Janet.
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Need I say more?
 
ArkhamDC06 said:
Of course, we barely saw anything of his tech yet and judging by the comment above, he's not at full power
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And that's the conundrum, the Kang in Quantumania isn't at his best, he was limited to the tech within the Quantum Realm and there's also possibility of his statements of killing other Avengers refering to him during the height of his power/empire before he got exiled.
 
Though yeah Kang is probably a full-on timeline buster at full power which he really didn't seem to be in Quantumania. Nonetheless, 9-A is a bit low don't ya think?
 
Greenshifter said:
Nonetheless, 9-A is a bit low don't ya think?
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9-A is only for Quantumania Kang's weakest energy blasts though? The flashback showed he had standard energy beams and it also showed he could charge up an omnidirectional energy blast. So who's to say he can't charge up his standard energy beams.

9-A (Vaporized people) up to 6-B (Harmed Giant Scott & Cassy), likely higher (Redirected Xolum's energy blast) with Energy Projection/Manipulation for his Quantumania self
 
I realized something, in this scene Drax's knives were able to pierce Doctor Strange's Tao Mandala, so 7-B+ knives? I want to clarify that I haven't seen GotG 3 yet, and fortunately I didn't get spoiled from almost nothing so I'd like to continue like that until next Monday
 
RoTt35 said:
Thor destroyed his whole arm, and likewise Doctor Strange Supreme and the Protection Spell were able to resist Ultron's final attack when he already had all the six Infinity Stones for a few minutes
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Thor destroyed his arm after they took his stone away why he was weakened

but the protection spell holding out is a feat do we know how much effort ultron put into that last attack?
 
All I'll say is that After Guardians 3 the whole notion that Rocket wouldn't be able to make the call that Thanos Snap was the strongest surge of power felt with the Abelisk storm in mind is the dumbest thing ever and imo it was already on thin ice but like that solidified it for me Rocket absolutely knows what the **** he's talking about science and mathematics wise and if he says thanos's snap was powerful than a storm he saw himself in person then I'm inclined to agree
 
Dalesean027 said:
All I'll say is that After Guardians 3 the whole notion that Rocket wouldn't be able to make the call that Thanos Snap was the strongest surge of power felt with the Abelisk storm in mind is the dumbest thing ever and imo it was already on thin ice but like that solidified it for me Rocket absolutely knows what the **** he's talking about science and mathematics wise and if he says thanos's snap was powerful than a storm he saw himself in person then I'm inclined to agree
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It's further supported by him being implied to be smarter than Tony Stark, calling him "only a genius on Earth". Rocket deserves an Intelligence upgrade
 
Marvel_Champion_07 said:
It's further supported by him being implied to be smarter than Tony, calling him "only a genius on Earth". Rocket deserves an Intelligence upgrade after
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Fr fr, it just really upsets me how downplayed rocket's intelligence has been here on the wiki when it comes to his statements and they've been outright ignored or been given the dumbest counters just for him to have insane intelligence feats like he does in Guardians 3


Implying he doesn't know what he's talking about in relation to nidvaleer and its weapons, that he can't surmise the amount of energy storm the abelisk storm could give off because he's "not a meteorologist"😐 or any of the other "contentious" statements he's made
 
Would that also not make them > Tony's 200 petawatt lasers? Or would we say the lasers don't count since they are smaller?

On Rocket being the biggest big brain in the universe, he needs respect put on his name. One of the smartest beings in the universe spent centuries trying to make something he specialised in work only for Rocket to look at it for 2 secs and fix it with no knowledge, never planned to escape but still made a skeleton key HE made gravity his bitch cuz specifically because Rocket negged him last time only for Rocket to have been making that kinda tech for funsies, turned Nebula whose initial cybernetics from Thanos only made her =< Gamora into a Carol/Thor tier in terms of AP and the insane survivability, doesn't have magic metal like Vibranium and Uru but just makes that tier of weapons anyway, built a moon buster cuz why not (this alone proves he knows what he is talking about with the Snap since he literally built something beyond everything seen so far that isn't Celestials and Infinity Stones (both of which he knows about and fought against)), master marksman as soon as he picks up a gun, master pilot as soon as he sits behind the wheel etc etc
 
Dinobot1996 said:
All of HYDRA's Tesseract-powered energy weapons apparently used vaporization to some extent in general, not just against people: (from Guidebook to the Marvel Cinematic Universe - Captain America: The First Avenger)

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Considering they were powered by the Tesseract thanks to Red Skull at this point, it seems logical
 
Figuring out calcs for the handheld Tesseract powered energy cannon (which the Chitauri weapons should be superior to), and the Mirror Dimension explosion would probably be the best shot the 8-C+ characters have at potentially being upgraded.

On a different topic, according to the Wakanda Files, Whiplash Mk. I is stated to have an arc reactor half as efficient as the Iron Man Mk. I's arc reactor, with stats on the page outright showing Whiplash Mk. I has an energy output of 1.49 GJ/sec (0.3561185468451243 tons). Considering the struggle it had against Whiplash, I guess Iron Man Mk. 5 had to trade a lot of power to be more compact.
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