MCU Phase 5 General Discussion Thread

[Lacku]

Literally all prior movies are rendered null and void when we just say the villains coulda just 1 tapped the planet at any moment of their leisure but chose to do the most convoluted plans

The Earth if Thor and Ultron got a little bit too freaky fighting each other

 

[Marvel_Champion_07]

Should we scale IW cap to Thanos because he got up a minute after getting decked in the face?

After he disposed of his armour and collected more Stones, it was basically stated that Thanos was holding back, unless his opponent was a real threat to his agenda

 

[Lacku]

supervillain

-I'm using Bifrost to destroy the planet.

Thor

-Do you know that all you have to do is snap your fingers?

Ronan

-I am the destroyer of worlds! Thanos, I'm coming for your head!

Thanos

-What you do with the infinity stone, I do with my bare hands every Tuesday.

Just thinking about What If..? too Ultron in Visions body used nuclear bombs to destroy the world when he could have just done it himself with one shot

 

[Valiant_Abyss]

Thanos was holding back after he disposed of his armour and collected more Stones

And I can say the same for Thor who was likely also holding back. He's angry but still clearly knows Hulk is an ally.

 

[Marvel_Champion_07]

And I can say the same for Thor who was likely also holding back.

Thor doesn't have statements. Thanos does.

 

[Shadyboi0]

Low 4-C?

 

[Dalesean027]

Nah champion man this is like actually objectively bad man... you gotta see how faulty this scaling is

 

[NikHelton]

I miss the days when characters were 7-C/7-B. Back then it all made sense and corresponded to what we saw in the films

 

[Dalesean027]

I miss the days when characters were 7-C/7-B. Back then it all made sense and corresponded to what we saw in the films

Hell nah that was objective and very faulty downplay it was hell but this new scaling just as bad rn

 

[Propellus]

I miss the days when characters were 7-C/7-B. Back then it all made sense and corresponded to what we saw in the films

If anything I miss them just being 6-B and that's that

 

[The_one_you_least_expect]

Well this is a mess, I thought we were gonna have a big crt before we just started slapping tier 4 on stuff

 

[Dalesean027]

Can someone please format a CRT to fix the scaling

 

[Lacku]

I miss the days when characters were 7-C/7-B. Back then it all made sense and corresponded to what we saw in the films

Nah 7-C actually insane downplay looking back

 

[Baken384]

cant wait for iron spider's tier 4 scaling since he was able to stagger thanos as well

 

[Lacku]

Can someone please format a CRT to fix the scaling

Are we just bringing back Pre-Awakening characters to 6-B?

 

[Lacku]

cant wait for iron spider's tier 4 scaling since he was able to stagger thanos as well

he did catch cull obsidians hammer

 

[Dalesean027]

Are we just bringing back Pre-Awakening characters to 6-B?

Yes unless they were high 6-B before or whatever but otherwise yeah 6-B

 

[NikHelton]

Nah 7-C actually insane downplay looking back

7-C for early versions of characters.
7-B and 6-C for later ones.
It was wonderful.

And then we didn't have High 7-A Guardians of the Galaxy yet....

 

[The_one_you_least_expect]

well there’s like some moon to planet lvl stuff for Thor and I’m pretty sure there’s like moon punching stuff for carol so I guess we just have to use the higher end stuff to even this out

 

[Propellus]

cant wait for iron spider's tier 4 scaling since he was able to stagger thanos as well

Then this would mean we would also have tier 4 raimiverse lol

 

[Dalesean027]

7-C for early versions of characters.
7-B and 6-C for later ones.

Yeah but that was still the product of very blatant downplay in the verse from faulty downgrades and a lack of better feats and calcs to support the verse

 

[Lacku]

Yes unless they were high 6-B before or whatever but otherwise yeah 6-B

Actually, maybe we could scale them to High 6-A since Thor destroyed the Bifrost Bridge which has the same energy that nearly destroyed Jotunheim coursing through it.

 

[Lacku]

Then this would mean we would also have tier 4 raimiverse lol

New York if Spider-Man and Green Goblin stopped holding back during that parade

 

[Dalesean027]

Actually, maybe we could scale them to High 6-A since Thor destroyed the Bifrost Bridge which has the same energy that nearly destroyed Jotunheim coursing through it.

I'd say let's focus on fixing this mess first then worry about what's next and that doesn't really equate to the focused force of it at a single point

 

[Dinobot1996]

Then this would mean we would also have tier 4 raimiverse lol

 

[Dalesean027]

Blud thinks he's fight MvC spidey

 

[Baken384]

the power of the sun in like, in his goddamn arms

 

[The_one_you_least_expect]

I might be able to cook up something later but I gotta hit the hay

 

[Dalesean027]

Lets not wait too long because this is really gonna makes things a lot worse for the verse on the wiki given this kinda scaling went through at all, its better peeps fix it now internally than the wider wiki getting involved and really giving it all a hard time

 

[Valiant_Abyss]

Thor doesn't have statements. Thanos does.

You don't need direct statements to understand that someone who identified their opponent as a friend moments before would be holding back.

 

[Baken384]

Captain America managed to see Iron Man take on Thor briefly, later on in the movie was willing to fight Tony and ask him to put on his armor.. The Tier 4 Confidence Scaling...

Iron Spider managed to stagger Thanos in his fight and survived his slam and throw.. Tier 4 Iron Spider... Include the fact Doc Ock's arms managed to bully Iron Spider around and we all know Raimi Spidey could contend with them a bit, meaning Tier 4 Base Spideys since MCU/Raimi/Webb Spideys are comparable to one another..

More proof of Tier 4 Cap because he scales to Spider-Man (even though they haven't even battled nor confronted each other for 10+ movies) and confidence scaling..
The Guardians get Tier 4 scaling too since Star Lord managed to knock away Iron Spider...

I understand the Tier 4 Consistency...

 

[Dinobot1996]

So I guess potential options for dealing with the Pre-Awakening level characters includes:

-Returning them to 6-B, the simplest option

-Figuring out if breaking the Bifrost Bridge could possibly get any High 6-A scaling

-Possibly argue for a base Mjolnir, created in Nidavellir and described as one of the universe's greatest weapons in the Infinity War artbook, potentially scaling above the 5-C Hadron Enforcer:

 

[Dalesean027]

So I guess potential options for dealing with the Pre-Awakening level characters includes:

-Returning them to 6-B, the simplest option

-Figuring out if breaking the Bifrost Bridge could possibly get any High 6-A scaling

-Possibly argue for a base Mjolnir, created in Nidavellir and described as one of the universe's greatest weapons in the Infinity War artbook, potentially scaling above the 5-C Hadron Enforcer:

I'd really say for now going back to 6-B is the way to go, any other upgrades can be deeply looked at after as we've already had a lot happen in the span of like 2 or 3 weeks thats changed the verse so much already

 

[Baken384]

Could hold back Thanos... Look at his face... Tier 4 Cap incoming..

 

[Valiant_Abyss]

Why are we talking about going back to 6-B as some undesirable option as if its the worst thing ever? Like these mfs were tier 7 not terribly long ago lmao.

 

[Dalesean027]

Why are we talking about going back to 6-B as some undesirable option as if its the worst thing ever? Like these mfs were tier 7 not terribly long ago lmao.

Its optimal for me

 

[Propellus]

Why are we talking about going back to 6-B as some undesirable option as if its the worst thing ever? Like these mfs were tier 7 not terribly long ago lmao.

The pre-awakening characters definitely need to be downgraded from Low 4-C

 

[Valiant_Abyss]

The pre-awakening characters definitely need to be downgraded from Low 4-C

I agree, but I'm saying why make it so complicated referring to this message.

Snip

 

[OneBleachHurricane]

Cap In-Universe has:
• Striking Strength at 1,346.206 Newtons (9-C)
• Attack Speed at 74.7 mph/33.40 m/s (Superhuman)
• Travel Speed at 11.623 m/s (Peak Human)

Thanos In-Universe has:
• Durability: At Least 6 Gigatons (6-C)

Iron Man In-Universe has:
• Attack Potency: 200 Petawatts Lasers (7-B), and various Gigajoule values (8-C)
• Flight Speed: Supersonic to Massively Hypersonic Speeds values

Rocket In-Universe has:
• Attack Potency: Moon Level Hadron Enforcer (5-C)

There's also other statements about Speed, Attack Potency, and Multipliers, that even without Calcs the MCU would still have random feats ranging from Tier 9/7/6 all the to Tier 5/4/3 just using the Reference for Common Feats page, same goes for Speed

 

[Maverick_Zero_X]

he did catch cull obsidians hammer

so real