MCU Phase 5 General Discussion Thread

[OneBleachHurricane]

Iirc, you don't need a CRT to add justifications

Could add them then please since you're a Mod, and it would make it more official


Expert Combatant, Weapon Mastery (She is a highly skilled swordfighter due to being a former Einherjar, being able to overpower Malekith and kill a Frost Giant)

S: Superhuman Travel Speed (Stated to possess super speed and is able to cross several meters in a single leap)

SS: Small Town Level (Should be comparable to other Asgardians)

LS: At least Class M (Overpowered Malekith and should be comparable to other Asgardians)


Only video I could find for the 4 above

D: Small Town level (Endured being backhanded to the head by Laufey, though was incapacitated for a time)

 

[Marvel_Champion_07]

S: Superhuman Travel Speed (Stated to possess super speed and is able to cross several meters in a single leap)

This one might need a CRT since it's changing/adding onto the actual stats, rather than just giving extra reasons

 

[OneBleachHurricane]

This one might need a CRT since it's changing/adding onto the actual stats, rather than just giving extra reasons

But the rest are good to go?

 

[Dinobot1996]

I found the relevant artbook page:

 

[Marvel_Champion_07]

But the rest are good to go?

Yeah

I found the relevant artbook page:

When I first watched the movie, I didn't expect to see Thor as a baby. That was a cute moment

 

[Excellence616]

scarlet witch

About 4th wall awesomeness In dr strange in the multiverse of madness, she turns to look at the viewer after she successfully uses dreamwalking She can look directly at the viewer and can also respond by advertising products and has even talked to the viewer on several occasions in wandavision

vsbattles.com

 

[ArkhamDC06]

Hello, new user here. Which What If S2 episodes are you most hyped for? Mine is 1602, then Hela getting the rings.

Odin

 

[ArkhamDC06]

Am I the only one who thinks a Hela/warlord Wenwu couple would actually be a good ship?

 

[Lacku]

Am I the only one who thinks a Hela/warlord Wenwu couple would actually be a good ship?

Insanely funny ship tbh I wanna see it happen

Hela wearing Ta Lo robes also gives me these vibes lmao

 

[Von_Scharnhorst]

Somewhat off topic, but does anyone know if this X-Men Quicksilver calc was ever accepted:

X-Men Quicksilver, gotta go quick.

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If it's usable it could lead to some nice upgrades for the verse.

 

[Marvel_Champion_07]

Somewhat off topic, but does anyone know if this X-Men Quicksilver calc was ever accepted:

https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/User_blog:phantomØ4/X-Men_Quicksilver,_gotta_go_quick.

If it's usable it could lead to some nice upgrades for the verse.

Apparently some of the images are broken, so a proper evaluation can't be done

 

[Dinobot1996]

Looks like DMUA thinks the Captain Marvel calc seems to line up (at the bottom of the comment chain)

 

[Yokoahh5743]

 

[Excellence616]

[MCU] Hulk Powerscaling

Hulk briefly restrained and withstood multiple punches from Thanos before being knocked out Thanos does hold back, but it's suggested he does it after removing his armour and getting more Infinity Stones Though dazed, Hulk endured two attacks from Thor when he briefly awakened his real power...

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[Excellence616]

(GRACE) Gojo Satoru VS Doctor Strange (MCU)

Satoru Gojo VS Doctor Strange (MCU) Starting Distance: 10m Both in-character Equalized speed Pre Prison Realm Gojo | Sorcerer Supreme Strange LOCATION: Gojo: Strange: 7 (@SunDaGamer, @ZoroNotZolo, @DefectiveDoll17, @Excel616, @ShionAH, @MintyBoi1, @V999) Inconclusive:

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[Lacku]

Iron Man 3 Good Ending... Again (Iron Man vs. Wenwu) (GRACE)

Alright people let's do this one last time... (Mark 7 Iron Man is used and his lasers and Unibeam are restricted, Fight takes place at the Ten Rings headquarters, Speed Equalized) Iron Man: Oscar, Oliver_de_jesus, MrKerf Wenwu: Dalesean027, DarlingAurora, AThe1412, DimeUhDozen, Armorchompy...

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forgot that i made this matchup during the summer, any input would be appreciated

 

[Lacku]

Looks like DMUA thinks the Captain Marvel calc seems to line up (at the bottom of the comment chain)

So what do we think? Is Low 4-B believable for Post-Awakening characters? That would make them stronger than Full Power Odin and Hela unless they somehow scale as well.

 

[Dinobot1996]

So what do we think? Is Low 4-B believable for Post-Awakening characters? That would make them stronger than Full Power Odin and Hela unless they somehow scale as well.

Low 4-C might be tricky to argue for the consistency of. That said, a weakened Hela should still be scaling to Post-Awakening characters, so a Full Power Hela (who Odin has scaling to) would just scale above that. In addition, Full Power Hela's justification of being superior to the Tesseract and Bifrost doesn't sound like anything that should necessarily cap her at her current tiering.

 

[Lacku]

Low 4-C might be tricky to argue for the consistency of. That said, a weakened Hela should still be scaling to Post-Awakening characters, so a Full Power Hela (who Odin has scaling to) would just scale above that. In addition, Full Power Hela's justification of being superior to the Tesseract and Bifrost doesn't sound like anything that should necessarily cap her at her current tiering.

That does end up being pretty consistent with the Tesseract being a world-killer and both Hela and Odin being above it to an unknown degree. There's also the supporting evidence that Zeus is one of the strongest gods in the universe, putting him above 5-A Ammit and Ra who is meant to be stronger. There's also the statement from Rocket in Endgame iirc where he says the snap made by Thanos on Titan gave off cosmic energy never seen before, which would make it bare minimum more powerful than his 5-C Hadron Enforcer or the 5-A world wipe caused by the Power Stone that Rocket saw with his own eyes in GotG1. Thanos survived that so him being Low 4-C is pretty believable. There's no anti-feats I can think of either that would go against the rating so making a CRT for this might not be that hard.

 

[darkphantom9805]

So what’s going on with the major’s trial is he winning? Is it over yet it’s been going on for a while

 

[Valiant_Abyss]

So what’s going on with the major’s trial is he winning? Is it over yet it’s been going on for a while

https://www.nytimes.com/2023/12/05/nyregion/jonathan-majors-grace-jabbari-testimony.html

 

[Jimmy.robinson.5099]

https://www.nytimes.com/2023/12/05/nyregion/jonathan-majors-grace-jabbari-testimony.html

Maybe we SHOULD drop the Kang stuff...

 

[darkphantom9805]

i couldn’t even check the website cause you need an account when is the trial over

 

[Gasper]

Aperently Doctor Doom is replacing Kang so.

 

[darkphantom9805]

when is the trial over so we can see if he won or not

 

[Marvel_Champion_07]

Full Power Hela's justification of being superior to the Tesseract

with the Tesseract being a world-killer

Speaking of the Tesseract, would it scale to Captain Marvel since its energy granted her cosmic powers?

 

[OneBleachHurricane]

Speaking of the Tesseract, would it scale to Captain Marvel since its energy granted her cosmic powers?

Maybe as an "Up To" rating?

Since what Carol absorbed was only a fraction of the Cube's power that was taken and contained by Mar'Vel in her Light Speed Engine

 

[OneBleachHurricane]

Like how Zola was able to extract and contain small amounts of the Cube's power for Hydra in the form of power cells

 

[Dinobot1996]

Speaking of the Tesseract, would it scale to Captain Marvel since its energy granted her cosmic powers?

Between that and Hela describing it as "not bad", I'd imagine an argument could be made for it scaling. The Tesseract's current justifications don't seem to have anything that would cap it at where it currently is either.

 

[Marvel_Champion_07]

Since what Carol absorbed was only a fraction of the Cube's power that was taken and contained by Mar'Vel in her Light Speed Engine

So the Tesseract would just upscale from Carol? Since a fraction of its energy powered the Light Speed Engine that granted Carol her cosmic power?

 

[OneBleachHurricane]

So the Tesseract would just upscale from Carol? Since a fraction of its energy powered the Light Speed Engine that granted Carol her cosmic power?

Sure if nobody has any objections to it.

If there are objections, it could be formatted as:

1. X up to Y
2. X, likely Y
3. X, possibly Y

 

[Lacku]

Sure if nobody has any objections to it.

If there are objections, it could be formatted as:

1. X up to Y
2. X, likely Y
3. X, possibly Y

First option makes sense to me

 

[Yokoahh5743]

Is this Thor's Corruption ability? He has turned Zeus' thunderbolt into his control and increased their speed and intensity with his power

 

[Oliver_de_jesus]

Is this Thor's Corruption ability? He has turned Zeus' thunderbolt into his control and increased their speed and intensity with his power

more like Thor own lightning maninuplation can do that to other people´s lightning attacks/weapons

For example, 616 Thor has taken control of the electro when he converted into energy.

 

[Yokoahh5743]

more like Thor own lightning maninuplation can do that to other people´s lightning attacks/weapons

For example, 616 Thor has taken control of the electro when he converted into energy.

Is it just normal lightning manipulation? I thought it was corruption

 

[Marvel_Champion_07]

Is this Thor's Corruption ability? He has turned Zeus' thunderbolt into his control and increased their speed and intensity with his power

Is it just normal lightning manipulation? I thought it was corruption

Definitely not Corruption

 

[Lacku]

Both Pre and Post-Awakening characters are now Low 4-C...

 

[Dalesean027]

Both Pre and Post-Awakening characters are now Low 4-B...

Pretty sure those are major mistake in editing because what

 

[Marvel_Champion_07]

Both Pre and Post-Awakening characters are now Low 4-B...

Pretty sure those are major mistake in editing because what

Pre-Awakening downscale from Post-Awakening

 

[Dinobot1996]

I thought Thor's Early Ragnarok key that he used to have was going to get brought back