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MCU Phase 5 General Discussion Thread

Idk how I feel about Pre-Awakening characters downscaling from Post-Awakening characters icl.
 
Marvel_Champion_07 said:
Was it? I don't recall that ever being discussed
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I don't specifically remember it getting brought up this time, but it had previously been the solution for allowing Hulk to downscale to Post-Awakening level characters in the past without impacting the scaling of every character on Base Thor's level
 
Dinobot1996 said:
I don't specifically remember it getting brought up this time, but it had previously been the solution for allowing Hulk to downscale to Post-Awakening level characters in the past without impacting the scaling of every character on Base Thor's level
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I don't see a reason for Thor to have an Early Ragnarok key when there's no evidence of him becoming stronger during his search of the Infinity Stones and being trapped in Muspelheim
 
Looking back on that Hulk CRT I think it was pretty generous considering how we treat other characters who fight someone stronger than them in this series. Shuri doesn't get to scale at all to Namor's High 8-C durability even though they had a pitched battle but Hulk gets to downscale from Thanos even though he got beat badly?
 
Lacku said:
Shuri doesn't get to scale at all to Namor's High 8-C durability even though they had a pitched battle
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Frankly, I agree that Shuri should be scaling to Namor's durability, but KLOL intervened
Lacku said:
Hulk gets to downscale from Thanos even though he got beat badly
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The previous gap between Thanos/Post-Awakening and Hulk would mean they instantly one-shot Hulk. The difference between Shuri and Namor's durability is much smaller and more believable
Sir_Marvulous said:
@Marvel_Champion_07 The Low 4-C feat is 71.3 Quettatons so anyone who scales to 475% Iron Man is 4-C (338.675 Quettatons)
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As of RoTt35's old CRT, the only one who gets fully affected is Wanda
 
Lacku said:
Looking back on that Hulk CRT I think it was pretty generous considering how we treat other characters who fight someone stronger than them in this series. Shuri doesn't get to scale at all to Namor's High 8-C durability even though they had a pitched battle but Hulk gets to downscale from Thanos even though he got beat badly?
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Honestly, we should've had High 8-C Super Soldiers a long time ago
 
Marvel_Champion_07 said:
The previous gap between Thanos/Post-Awakening and Hulk would mean they instantly one-shot Hulk. The difference between Shuri and Namor's durability is much smaller and more believable
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I guess so but still Pre-Awakening tiers being that high just doesn't sit right with me. Does Ultrons plan to recreate the asteroid that killed the dinosaurs using Sokovia still make sense if he's strong enough to destroy the planet? Maybe it does but I'm just trying to think if this has any anti-feats or not.
 
I legit had no clue pre-awakening goons backscaled... ik I ain't been active here in a while but while the captain marvel feat is legit I didn't know the current scaling chain the verse was at...imma be real I'm not feeling it and pre awakening imo should not be downscaling
 
Yeah, I hate that the Pre-Awakening characters also backscales as it doesn't acknowledge the shit characters struggled to achieve during their own stories
 
Marvel_Champion_07 said:
I don't see a reason for Thor to have an Early Ragnarok key when there's no evidence of him becoming stronger during his search of the Infinity Stones and being trapped in Muspelheim
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If we really want to downscale everyone, perhaps some additional reasoning should be included in relevant profiles to make to make the scaling more solid, such as maybe the Mjolnir>Hadron Enforcer implication, or weakened Vision taking a hit from Cull Obsidian (though it looked sort of casual on Cull's part). I'm still pretty unsure about it though.

Lacku said:
Looking back on that Hulk CRT I think it was pretty generous considering how we treat other characters who fight someone stronger than them in this series. Shuri doesn't get to scale at all to Namor's High 8-C durability even though they had a pitched battle but Hulk gets to downscale from Thanos even though he got beat badly?
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I'm personally still of the opinion that Shuri should have been able to scale to High 8-C. The explosion was over twice baseline High 8-C, and Namor took it without much issue. Shuri's kicks looked like they were doing more to Namor than his profile currently suggests. Plus, it seems like more reliable scaling than only scaling Shuri to the portion of the explosion she got hit by, considering her durability feats while wearing her suit seem weird to use for full scaling. (Supposedly, the explosion feat might have potential to get up to 8-B results if someone could recalc it using inverse square law to account for the rock formation that was destroyed, but that's another issue...)
 
Ar the very least, I do recall past talks about downgrading Vision and Ultron because of implications that Thor was weakened prior to that
 
I feel like we're being really liberal with scaling to Thanos here. An off guard Thanos takes a few hits, is left with no scratches, and proceeds to give hulk the hardest thrashing of his life but can be scaled to feels not right.
 
Valiant_Abyss said:
I feel like we're being really liberal with scaling to Thanos here. An off guard Thanos takes a few hits, is left with no scratches, and proceeds to give hulk the hardest thrashing of his life but can be scaled to feels not right.
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Yeah
Marvel_Champion_07 said:
Ar the very least, I do recall past talks about downgrading Vision and Ultron because of implications that Thor was weakened prior to that
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They don't need to be at all, Hulk just simply should not be scaling to thanos in any capaity tbh


I can't believe I missed something like that... that was bound to cause problems
 
I mean brah its the literal first moment thor awoke in his new state I'd highly doubt bro was going for the kill there and we didn't consider it as such either, frankly we actively didn't have Hulk scaling before because we knew how big of a gap it was before but now we seemingly do because he took 2 punches.

Just call it an outlier atp


Literally all prior movies are rendered null and void when we just say the villains coulda just 1 tapped the planet at any moment of their leisure but chose to do the most convoluted plans
 
Propellus said:
Like I'm not entirely against the idea of Low 4-C MCU, but Pre-Awakening characters really should not also be scaling
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I agree and even think Post-Awakening characters have pretty sound supporting evidence backing the rating, it's just that bringing Pre-Awakening characters into everything has made the whole thing super messy
 
Also, is there really no added context to CM restarting Hala's sun? Like did she absorb boat loads of energy, or something?
 
Lacku said:
With that rating AoU is immediately the goofiest Avengers movie ever because Ultron could theoretically pack up the planet at any moment but he instead chooses to do this performative ass asteroid recreation 😭😭
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Not to mention, Thor needed Bifrost to destroy that ice planet but yet he scales above it
 
I feel like scaling characters for not getting one shotted by hits that still absolutely washed them is a bad precedent. Should we scale IW cap to Thanos because he got up a minute after getting decked in the face? Based on the AP gap, cap's head shouldve ******* exploded.

I don't know why Rag Thor is scaling to tier 4 either but I don't wanna dive too deep down the rabbit hole.
 
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