MCU Phase 4 General Discussion Thread

[Dalesean027]

Lets go the website finally started working again

 

[Propellus]

Did the site just crash again?

 

[CharlesZaGreat]

Did the site just crash again?

Yes

 

[Sir_Marvulous]

Sooo we can put some placeholder stats of them for the **** of it


Both can get 6-A+ from @KLOL506 super lowballing the feat using Pluto or if you're based go on ahead and make it High 6-A on the profile as it more likely than not is outright 6-A

And based off of this from @Aguywhodoesthings Thor has a pretty good sub-relative combat feat assuming pluto for the size as well for the lowball(that just solidifies Thor scaling the the CM sub-rel value

Aguywhodoesthings/Sandbox1

vsbattles.fandom.com

that just solidifies Thor scaling the the CM sub-rel value

I don't think a Thor who is probably gonna be massively above everyone from the past should be used to justify what Awakened Thor scales to

and Awakened Thor is likely going to scale to Sub-Relativistic anyway

 

[Dalesean027]

and Awakened Thor is likely going to scale to Sub-Relativistic anyway

He's not

 

[Sir_Marvulous]

He's not

I don't see why not. It's not like he's 16 times slower and he has shown the capacity to react to and even disarm a Sub-Relativistic guy

 

[Dalesean027]

I don't see why not. It's not like he's 16 times slower

I meaan forgot where it comes from but Thor did state Thanos moved faster than he ever though possible when they fought on the Asgardian ship

 

[Sir_Marvulous]

I meaan forgot where it comes from but Thor did state Thanos moved faster than he ever though possible when they fought on the Asgardian ship

That doesn't necessarily mean he wasn't able to react

 

[Dalesean027]

That doesn't necessarily mean he wasn't able to react

Fair but considering how he got packed up I mean...you saw what happened to Hulk

 

[Marvel_Champion_07]

I meaan forgot where it comes from but Thor did state Thanos moved faster than he ever though possible when they fought on the Asgardian ship

It is very clear hyperbole. Thanos is faster but not that much faster. Thor could still react to and dodge his attacks.

There's also the options of Thor downscaling to baseline Sub-Rel or be given an "At most" rating

 

[Dalesean027]

It’s very clear hyperbole. Thanos is faster but not that much faster. Thor could still react to and dodge his attacks

...that's endgame Thor who objectively has better feats and is confirmed to be his strongest self up to that point

 

[Sir_Marvulous]

...that's endgame Thor who objectively has better feats and is confirmed to be his strongest self up to that point

Yeah but he's also his slowest self LMAO

 

[Sir_Marvulous]

It's only necessary that Awakened Thor should be at least as fast

 

[Dalesean027]

Yeah but he's also his slowest self LMAO

Not really since we have that statement we pretty much know how the fight went for thor last time besides I abridged it anyways since it also covered thanos lunging and beating Thor, endgame thor objectively performed better than awakened thor for fighting thanos and keeping up with him it's a classic case of visuals vs narrative he visually is slower because of his size but because of stuff we know from narrative he's technically at his fastest too

 

[Marvel_Champion_07]

...that's endgame Thor who objectively has better feats and is confirmed to be his strongest self up to that point

Nothing in the statement suggests that Thor has better speed, only that he has better AP

Not really since we have that statement we pretty much know how the fight went for thor last time

The first fight was completely off-screen

 

[Dalesean027]

Nothing in the statement suggests that Thor has better speed, only that he has better AP

The first fight was completely off-screen

My guy both of these are referring to the one source I was talking about that covered the fight and in that it's literally stated thanos moved faster than anything thor had ever thought possible and it covered thanos's lunge and attack on thor

 

[Dalesean027]

Btw @MARVEL_Future_Fight_Gamer we talked about this before on September 28th of last year check page 47, that being said I still forgot who originally dropped the scan that had these statements but we got it sometime earlier than September of last year

 

[Marvel_Champion_07]

My guy both of these are referring to the one source I was talking about that covered the fight and in that it's literally stated thanos moved faster than anything thor had ever thought possible and it covered thanos's lunge and attack on thor

The statement that is currently used to scale Endgame Thor above Awakened Thor is only AP. Thanos being stated to move faster than anything Thor thought possible is a very clear exaggeration

Btw @MARVEL_Future_Fight_Gamer we talked about this before on September 28th of last year check page 47, that being said I still forgot who originally dropped the scan that had these statements but we got it sometime earlier than September of last year

I checked the page. I don't see anything that suggests Endgame Thor is faster than Awakened Thor, only stronger and more powerful. When Thanos and the Black Order attacked, Thor was already injured due to his fight with Hela, and unlike 2023 Thor, he didn't have two very powerful Uru weapons at his disposal

 

[Dalesean027]

The statement that is currently used to scale Endgame Thor above Awakened Thor is only AP. Thanos being stated to move faster than anything Thor thought possible is a very clear exaggeration

Why do you keep bringing up that entirely seperate statementI'm literally talking about something entirely different and there's no reason for it to be hyperbole when it's the only shit we have on a fight we didn't see and remains consistent with thanos absolutely bullying everyone else while not remotely trying say for Hulk who couldn't even get a hit in after he got one blindsided rush on thanos

 

[Dalesean027]

7-B+, At most High 7-A

Remember Hulk was rated as this

 

[Propellus]

Remember Hulk was rated as this

Lol, I remember when the MCU was just High 7-C

 

[Dalesean027]

Lol, I remember when the MCU was just High 7-C

I definitely ******* remember back when we got downgraded to a insane degree and had ******* city level thanos

 

[Propellus]

I definitely ******* remember back when we got downgraded to a insane degree and had ******* city level thanos

Wait, Thanos was only 7-B before?

 

[Dalesean027]

Wait, Thanos was only 7-B before?

I could be thinking about thor but I stg at one point the MCU high tiers were only city level

 

[Imaginym]

I just saw Ms. Marvel episode 1. I have not had the opportunity to see Dr. Strange in the Multiverse of Madness, nor Thor: Love & Thunder, yet.

I assume no remarkable info regarding the ongoing series, beyond what was in the episode currently?

Also, should I expect unmarked movie spoilers in this thread?

 

[Sir_Marvulous]

Wait, Thanos was only 7-B before?

infolacker kekw

yes there was a point in time when all the high tier characters were 7-B+

 

[Marvel_Champion_07]

Why do you keep bringing up that entirely seperate statement

confirmed to be his strongest self up to that point

I was referring to this, but I'll drop it now

I'm literally talking about something entirely different and there's no reason for it to be hyperbole when it's the only shit we have on a fight we didn't see and remains consistent with thanos absolutely bullying everyone else while not remotely trying say for Hulk who couldn't even get a hit in after he got one blindsided rush on thanos

Then we should scale Thanos to MFTL+ since the Bifrost exists

 

[Dalesean027]

Also, should I expect unmarked movie spoilers in this thread?

Nope not here

I assume no remarkable info regarding the ongoing series, beyond what was in the episode currently

Not really no

. I have not had the opportunity to see Dr. Strange in the Multiverse of Madness, nor Thor: Love & Thunder, yet

That's okay Love ans Thunder comes out next month and strange will be in D+ at the end of the month

 

[Marvel_Champion_07]

Wait, Thanos was only 7-B before?

Yeah, he was "At least 7-B, likely higher"

 

[Sir_Marvulous]

Yeah, he was "At least 7-B, likely higher"

dark age

 

[Dalesean027]

See here the terrible times of 7-B thanos

Thanos (Marvel Cinematic Universe)

Thanos, referred to as the Dark Lord by his most loyal underlings and the Mad Titan by the galactic community, is a powerful Titan warlord who rules over a distant region of space and commands two massive armies, known as the Chitauri and the Outriders, and a small group of followers known as...

vsbattles.fandom.com

 

[Imaginym]

Nope not here

Ah. Still keeping the spoilers marked? If so, much appreciated.

That's okay Love ans Thunder comes out next month

Oh. I Googled it, & like a silly person, I conflated June, the current month, with July, next month, when reading the release date of "July 8th, 2022" Google gave me.
(Might not help that, besides me being dumb, Ms. Marvel episode 1 debuted on JUNE 8th, 2022. Lol.)

and strange will be in D+ at the end of the month

That's good to know. Thanks for the heads up.

 

[Propellus]

See here the terrible times of 7-B thanos

Thanos (Marvel Cinematic Universe)

Thanos, referred to as the Dark Lord by his most loyal underlings and the Mad Titan by the galactic community, is a powerful Titan warlord who rules over a distant region of space and commands two massive armies, known as the Chitauri and the Outriders, and a small group of followers known as...

vsbattles.fandom.com

What's next? Is Thor's lightning going to be downgraded to just regular electricity claiming it's not real lightning?

 

[Marvel_Champion_07]

What's next? Is Thor's lightning going to be downgraded to just regular electricity claiming it's not real lightning?

No joke I've seen people make these kinds of arguments

 

[Propellus]

No joke I've seen people make these kinds of arguments

You mean about Thor's lightning not being real?

 

[Imaginym]

So what is the argument, that he magically generates & accelerates natural lightning, then?

 

[Dalesean027]

Oh. I Googled it, & like a silly person, I conflated June, the current month, with July, next month, when reading the release date of "July 8th, 2022" Google gave me.
(Might not help that, besides me being dumb, Ms. Marvel episode 1 debuted on JUNE 8th, 2022. Lol

Dont worry lol it happens I had a friend of mine do that today

Ah. Still keeping the spoilers marked? If so, much appreciated

Yeah we generally do unless it's stuff that's released officially since that's out in the open and okay to talk about

That's good to know. Thanks for the heads up.

No prob I'm always giving heads up on stuff when I can



Also would u like to know how the new scaling is looking so far as of love and thunder(also the verse is almost done getting high 6-C accepted for the current top tiers)

 

[Jimmy.robinson.5099]

I assume no remarkable info regarding the ongoing series, beyond what was in the episode currently?

Aside from the review bombing, no.

 

[Aguywhodoesthings]

You mean about Thor's lightning not being real?

Technically, it isn't

 

[Marvel_Champion_07]

Had this saved in my bookmarks, apparently Thanos is way more intelligent than anyone else who appeared in Avengers: Infinity War according to Josh Brolin

Josh Brolin says there is heart within the murderous Thanos of Avengers: Infinity War

You shouldn't like the Mad Titan who is trying to exterminate half the universe. But you may pity him.

ew.com

And that’s great. And that’s your perception of it. You see this lughead and this guy who you pigeonhole right from the first cosmetic reaction to him. And what I see is this in this guy’s eyes. This super, super, super intelligence. There’s this constant contrasting thing about this Neanderthalic lughead who’s way more intelligent than anybody else in the movie, by far.

Extraordinary Genius Thanos?