MCU Phase 4 General Discussion Thread

[Dalesean027]

Also what's the reason for Acausalty?

Alioth exist in the void at the end of time therefore being immune to any changes in the timeline also it literally has completely devoured timelines and histories without being effected by the disappearances of said histories/timelines.

Remember Alioth is where the TVA sends everything and is who kang used to end the Multiverse War if Alioth was changed by the past being affected or timelines disappearing it wouldn't have any purpose

 

[Dalesean027]

There's also the fact that Alioth itself was born from tears by the rifts of space and time it kinda always existed in an acasual state

 

[Emirp sumitpo]

That seems only Type 1. Doesn't look like Type 4 or even 5 at all

 

[Dalesean027]

That seems only Type 1. Doesn't look like Type 4 or even 5 at all

Okiedokie that's why possibly was there I wanted to hear other's thoughts on it, I don't mind removing that part and is there anything you see that's sticking out to you?

 

[Emirp sumitpo]

Not really. I can clean up whatever mistakes I see after it's placed. It's also best to add justifications for the abilities

 

[Dalesean027]

Not really. I can clean up whatever mistakes I see after it's placed. It's also best to add justifications for the abilities

I have all the justifications some just cover multiple abilities and I think explaining again would just be redundant

 

[Dalesean027]

such as this

Existence Erasure ( Stated to consume energy and matter as well as time and space ensuring nothing can return), Void Manipulation, Time Manipulation, Energy Absorption

the scans cover all of these and say with void manip the specfic type would would fall under this one below

Conversion to Nonexistence:
The user of this ability might be capable of turning targets to nothing. This can range from only turning the matter of the target to nothing to also turning things like its energy, mind, soul, space, time and/or concept to nothing. Note that most users of this ability have not the full range of the ability. Further note that one shouldn't list a character to have resistance against this ability in total, as that requires a character to have shown resistance against every imaginable ability which can erase a target.The user of this ability might be capable of turning targets to nothing. This can range from only turning the matter of the target to nothing to also turning things like its energy, mind, soul, space, time and/or concept to nothing. Note that most users of this ability have not the full range of the ability. Further note that one shouldn't list a character to have resistance against this ability in total, as that requires a character to have shown resistance against every imaginable ability which can erase a target.

Which is in line with the scans provided and due to this falling under conversion to non existence and it being stated to ensure nothing returns of its victims gives it the EE and the types of manip it has due to its absorption and effects. it just becomes kinda circular I think reusing it

 

[Valiant_Abyss]

You see, this is the one thing that confuses me the most. We know that there are infinite/countless timelines via Loki and What If..?, but the big question is where exactly do these infinite dimensions/universes (for example the Dark Dimension, Quantum Realm, Mirror Dimension, etc) fit into that? Are those dimensions truly Low 2-C constructs? Do we have 2-A constructs within each individual timeline which we know there are infinite versions of? Do we have 2-A structures within 2-A structures?

Welp apparently this is still somehow just baseline 2-A which we already know is a thing for the MCU cosmology. Lmao.

 

[Dalesean027]

Welp apparently this is still somehow just baseline 2-A which we already know is a thing for the MCU cosmology. Lmao.

I'm not complaining 2-A is a solid tier I dig it

 

[OwenVaunman]

I keep losing notifications for this page wth

 

[Emirp sumitpo]

Kinda hoping for 2-A Infinite Ultron soon uwu

 

[AbaddonTheDisappointment]

I keep losing notifications for this page wth

Usually happens when a new page happens so maybe thats why

 

[Dalesean027]

Usually happens when a new page happens so maybe thats why

Yeah we've been flying through pages lately so I've had to keep up with it myself

 

[Dalesean027]

Kinda hoping for 2-A Infinite Ultron soon uwu

Honestly it'd be cool as hell if we got that and honestly for me moreso than infinity ultron I'm just hoping all our mainline cosmic characters get some of that same love and come at with at least some 5-C or 5-B feats

I need at least a moon or planet destroyed in Thor and Gorrs battle

 

[ArkhamDC06]

Honestly it'd be cool as hell if we got that and honestly for me moreso than infinity ultron I'm just hoping all our mainline cosmic characters get some of that same love and come at with at least some 5-C or 5-B feats

I need at least a moon or planet destroyed in Thor and Gorrs battle

Same, I want utter destruction and a massive upgrade. Don't think they will go as far as destroying planets but I would love it, especially since we'll see the Olympians

 

[Emirp sumitpo]

Hopefully it upgrades the likes of Odin owo

 

[Dalesean027]

Same, I want utter destruction and a massive upgrade.

There would just be synapses firing and dopamine pumping if we got some stuff that was crazy as shit

Don't think they will go as far as destroying planets but I would love it, especially since we'll see the Olympians

And yeah nor do I however we can hope but I'd least like to see significant damage to a planet at least get my boy up to country level or even continental hell what if we got to see a planet wide storm

 

[Dalesean027]

Hopefully it upgrades the likes of Odin owo

Zeus compares Thor's new power to a prime odin or vice versa hell even better after we get a huge showing from them it's stated Odin dwarfs their power, I'd love that

 

[Emirp sumitpo]

Can someone repost this? I can't see it for some reason

 

[ArkhamDC06]

Zeus compares Thor's new power to a prime odin or vice versa hell even better after we get a huge showing from them it's stated Odin dwarfs their power, I'd love that

It's possible the Olympians will actually be stronger than Asgardians maybe. Depending what the movie will show us, Olympians might be genuinely immortal (in terms of aging at least) unlike Asgardians, imagine having Prime Zeus being shown as continental or planet wide range and Odin being stated to have been comparable to this

 

[Dalesean027]

Can someone repost this? I can't see it for some reason

Want me to upload it to imgur or does it need to be uploaded on site?

It's possible the Olympians will actually be stronger than Asgardians maybe. Depending what the movie will show us, Olympians might be genuinely immortal (in terms of aging at least) unlike Asgardians, imagine having Prime Zeus being shown as continental or planet wide range and Odin being stated to have been comparable to this

However it's handled I'm honestly excited to see it considering this is going to be the strongest Thor we've seen yet

 

[Emirp sumitpo]

Want me to upload it to imgur or does it need to be uploaded on site?

Could you do it in the sandbox?

 

[Dalesean027]

Could you do it in the sandbox?

Yes it's much smaller though so it'll look a bit different

 

[Emirp sumitpo]

it looks alright. And alright subsitute for now

 

[ArkhamDC06]

Want me to upload it to imgur or does it need to be uploaded on site?
However it's handled I'm honestly excited to see it considering this is going to be the strongest Thor we've seen yet

Too bad we won't see Hulk. That could be a great opportunity...to re enact that delightful moment with Zeus

 

[Dalesean027]

it looks alright. And alright subsitute for now

Okay glad to help

Too bad we won't see Hulk. That could be a great opportunity...to re enact that delightful moment with Zeus

And yeah that honestly sucks but I'm glad we're going plenty more hulk in phase 4

 

[Emirp sumitpo]

Btw, The Watcher claims that he's seen pretty much the every possibility yet he deems Infinite Ultron being able to know about him and the Multiverse is impossible. What does that grant?

 

[Dalesean027]

Btw, The Watcher claims that he's seen pretty much the every possibility yet he deems Infinite Ultron being able to know about him and the Multiverse is impossible. What does that grant?

Wouldn't that account for some kind of resistance on Ultron's part

 

[Emirp sumitpo]

Probably. But I dunno specifically. Resistance to fate manipulation? I dunno

 

[ArkhamDC06]

Resistance to Fate is the best I can think of but I have doubts

 

[AbaddonTheDisappointment]

Probably. But I dunno specifically. Resistance to fate manipulation? I dunno

Y'know this gave me an idea.

Imagine if Strange uses the time stone and tries to alter the timeline and possibly an absolute point in an attempt to remove Ultron and the Watcher and Ultron have a rematch to buy time for that to happen. Would be neat to see him altering an absolute point again but this time its for good.

 

[The_one_you_least_expect]

Maybe, it seems anyone that surpasses watchers power also just passively resist’s his sight or realm

 

[Emirp sumitpo]

Welp, time to pit Ultron against Yhwach

 

[Emirp sumitpo]

Would something like Soul Manip even work on Ultron? Like he doesn't have a soul to begin with

 

[CBslayeR]

Welp, time to pit Ultron against Yhwach

Can't wait for someone to put him against Super Sonic and add another win to his profile

 

[AbaddonTheDisappointment]

Would something like Soul Manip even work on Ultron? Like he doesn't have a soul to begin with

Probably not considering he's an android.

 

[ArkhamDC06]

Would something like Soul Manip even work on Ultron? Like he doesn't have a soul to begin with

Since he doesn't have a soul, no it wouldn't work

 

[The_one_you_least_expect]

Speaking of souls, what exactly dose the soul stone do?

 

[Dalesean027]

Speaking of souls, what exactly dose the soul stone do?

It does that one thing it did that one time

 

[Dalesean027]

It does that one thing it did that one time

This is my saying I have absolutely no ******* clue because that shit didn't glow not a single damn time(honestly would've probably been used if they didn't cut the doctor strange astral plane fight with Thanos)