MCU Malekith 5-B/3-A AP Revision

[OneBleachHurricane]

Currently Malekith has this in his AP Section:

Planet level, up to Universe level with the Aether (After consuming the Nine Worlds and amplifying the power of the Aether exponentially, he was going to destroy the whole universe, converting reality into an endless night of dark matter and dark energy, returning the universe to a state of eternal darkness and destroying all life)

I made a blog containing all the things that I could find regarding the Aether and more, explaining why I think the "5-B up to 3-A" AP rating should be removed from Malekith's AP section and just be used for his Range Section.
https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/User_blog:OneBleachHurricane/Malekith_5-B_up_to_3-A_Revision

This would affect these profiles:

Aether (Marvel Cinematic Universe)

The Reality Stone is one of the six Infinity Stones, the remnant of a singularity that predated the universe, which represents the fabric of reality. Liquefied into a dark red fluid called the Aether (pronounced ēTHər), the Dark Elves and their leader Malekith intended to use it to revert the...

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Thanos (Marvel Cinematic Universe)

Thanos, referred to as the Dark Lord by his most loyal underlings and the Mad Titan by the galactic community, is a powerful Titan warlord who rules over a distant region of space and commands two massive armies, known as the Chitauri and the Outriders, and a small group of followers known as...

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AGREED (Staff): Lonkitt, Qawsedf234, LephyrTheRevanchist, Dalesean027, Emirp sumitpo, Marvel_Champion_07, Starter_Pack, Propellus, Damage3245, KingTempest

AGREED (Member): Excel616

DISAGREED:

 

[LordGriffin1000]

I'll wait for other arguments before I agree or disagree but I can see the point your trying to make.

 

[Lonkitt]

I agree with this. The statements and such imply this to be much more hax based than simply AP based

 

[Excellence616]

I agree

 

[Qawsedf234]

As we talked about in a DM, this is universal range but it's not AP related. More so matter manipulation.

 

[The_one_you_least_expect]

Correct me if I’m wrong but if said hax affects a large enough area dosen’t that usually get put as justification for said characters ap rating?

 

[LordGriffin1000]

Correct me if I’m wrong but if said hax affects a large enough area dosen’t that usually get put as justification for said characters ap rating?

If it can scale to statistics via some energy system or other valid reason. But normally no.

 

[Lonkitt]

Correct me if I’m wrong but if said hax affects a large enough area dosen’t that usually get put as justification for said characters ap rating?

It definitely can depending on the details

 

[RoTt35]

Shouldn't it just be changed to Environmental Destruction?

 

[LephyrTheRevanchist]

Agreed with the OP.

 

[The_one_you_least_expect]

If it can scale to statistics via some energy system or other valid reason. But normally no.

Hmmm, will the aether dose amp malketh so would that equate to something?

 

[The_one_you_least_expect]

It definitely can depending on the details

Hmmm, then what would you consider a hax to also relate to ap(in the reailty wraping sense)

 

[Dalesean027]

Seems fine to me then

 

[Lonkitt]

Hmmm, then what would you consider a hax to also relate to ap(in the reailty wraping sense)

For reality warping, it heavily depends. In this case, it doesn't justify an AP rating

 

[The_one_you_least_expect]

For reality warping, it heavily depends. In this case, it doesn't justify an AP rating

Ok can you give me an example? Why not?

 

[Jason_Courne]

Why not just clarify it to

Planet level, up to Universe level via Reality Warping

Yes it's not destruction or creation, but it is still reality warping several planets to an entire universe

 

[Lonkitt]

Ok can you give me an example? Why not?

Recreating a universe, down to completely changing its reality, space, and time in the process can be used as an AP feat

 

[The_one_you_least_expect]

Recreating a universe, down to completely changing its reality, space, and time in the process can be used as an AP feat

Isn’t that essential what malketh was gonna do?

 

[Lonkitt]

No. This is incredibly different in fact

 

[Shadowbeast]

This shouldn't be removed, we can change it to somenthing like "3-A via Reality Warping" there's characters in the wiki who have things like these in their profiles.

 

[The_one_you_least_expect]

No. This is incredibly different in fact

How exactly? Like homie is completely changing the universe to suit his people and only his people, felling it and changing it with dark matter and energy

 

[Emirp sumitpo]

OP looks fine to me

 

[Marvel_Champion_07]

OP is alright

 

[Starter_Pack]

This looks fine.

 

[Propellus]

I guess this checks out

 

[Lonkitt]

How exactly? Like homie is completely changing the universe to suit his people and only his people, felling it and changing it with dark matter and energy

Well first of all, the feat I described as an example of hax allowing for an AP rating is Low 2-C. That’s changing space, reality, and time. That last part tends to include history itself. VERY different feat

Second of all, when looking at the specific nature of the Aether’s feat, it’s not quite as potent. Like it was stated in the movie, the effect would be on a universal range, but it’s not as though this is a huge straight up 3-A feat

 

[The_one_you_least_expect]

Well first of all, the feat I described as an example of hax allowing for an AP rating is Low 2-C. That’s changing space, reality, and time. That last part tends to include history itself. VERY different feat

Second of all, when looking at the specific nature of the Aether’s feat, it’s not quite as potent. Like it was stated in the movie, the effect would be on a universal range, but it’s not as though this is a huge straight up 3-A feat

Ok fair enough on that front

So remodeling the universe isn’t 3-a? Because I’m pretty sure affecting an entire universe is supposed to equate to a 3-a rating

 

[Lonkitt]

It can be, but that depends on how it’s done

 

[Qawsedf234]

Because I’m pretty sure affecting an entire universe is supposed to equate to a 3-a ratin

The feat is universal in scale, but AP is specifically about attacks and the power of those attacks. If you made everything in the universe a squirrel that doesn't mean you have universal AP, it just mean you can alter matter on a universal scale.

 

[The_one_you_least_expect]

The feat is universal in scale, but AP is specifically about attacks and the power of those attacks. If you made everything in the universe a squirrel that doesn't mean you have universal AP, it just mean you can alter matter on a universal scale.

Well that seems to qualify for 3-a looking at the tiering system

“Characters or objects that can create or destroy all celestial bodies within a finite 3-D space at least equivalent in size to the observable universe via an omnidirectional explosion that covers the entire space, alternately create or significantly affect[1] a 3-D universe or a pocket dimension of comparable size, which does not involve the destruction and/or creation of space-time.”

https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/Tiering_System#cite_note-SA1-1

 

[Qawsedf234]

Well that seems to qualify for 3-a looking at the tiering system

Key point there

omnidirectional explosion that covers the entire space,

This isn't an explosion or explosion like event. This is changing matter from one state into another state.

 

[RoTt35]

This isn't an explosion or explosion like event. This is changing matter from one state into another state.

The page also states this:

"Significantly affect" is here used as an umbrella term for feats that don't involve direct creation or destruction but are comparable to them in power, such as warping and distorting the entirety of the structure in question, sustaining its existence with one's own, etc.

 

[The_one_you_least_expect]

Key point there


This isn't an explosion or explosion like event. This is changing matter from one state into another state.

Ya and it also says

“alternately create or significantly affect[1]a 3-D universe or a pocket dimension of comparable size, which does not involve the destruction and/or creation of space-time.”

 

[Qawsedf234]

The page also states this:

But it's not distorting or warping the entire structure. It's making Matter A into Matter B without destroying or effecting space or thr objects in a greater capacity.

 

[Lonkitt]

Ya and it also says

“alternately create or significantly affect[1]a 3-D universe or a pocket dimension of comparable size, which does not involve the destruction and/or creation of space-time.”

But the Aether hasn’t done anything to warrant matching this requirement

 

[RoTt35]

But it's not distorting or warping the entire structure. It's making Matter A into Matter B without destroying or effecting space or thr objects in a greater capacity.

Not just matter, but also energy and reality itself, basically returning the universe to how it was before the Big Bang, shouldn't that at least qualify as Environmental Destruction?

 

[The_one_you_least_expect]

But the Aether hasn’t done anything to warrant matching this requirement

How dose changing the entire makeup of the universe not qualify for “significantly affect a 3-D universe”

 

[Qawsedf234]

Not just matter, but also energy and reality itself, basically returning the universe to how it was before the Big Bang, shouldn't that at least qualify as Environmental Destruction?

I'm just not sure if just changing something from A to B counts if it also isn't effecting Space-Time.

 

[The_one_you_least_expect]

I'm just not sure if just changing something from A to B counts if it also isn't effecting Space-Time.

I mean it seems to going by the description of 3-a

 

[OneBleachHurricane]

But the Aether hasn’t done anything to warrant matching this requirement

I'm just not sure if just changing something from A to B counts if it also isn't effecting Space-Time.

Regarding this:

warping and distorting the entirety of the structure in question

Does affecting the entirety of all the contents within a universe over a unknown period of time qualify?