[MCU] Infinity Stones + Aether Upgrade

[RoTt35]

The statements that grant the Infinity Stones their current type 2 concept hax say that they not only manipulate and control, but also possess and represent those universal concepts, and contain its elemental energies. Furthermore, the Mind Stone is stated to be the very embodiment of intellect and information, and the Power Stone to represent the destructive nature of the universe. Also, even if they are destroyed and reduced to atoms, they still function according to WoG:

• Q: Ancient One says stones are essential to flow of time. How come Thanos is able to destroy them?
• A: Thanos only reduced the stones to the atomic level. The stones are still present in the universe.

So I think they could qualify as Abstract Existence (Type 2) as the physical embodiments of concepts. The stones containing the universe's elemental energies would also grant them Elemental Manipulation and Energy Manipulation. The statements also say that their power lies beyond mortal comprehension and defies all science, even for Wakandans, which I think would grant them Physics Manipulation. The stones also create what is experienced as the flow of time, which would grant them Time Manipulation. In summary, each Infinity Stone should have the following:

Abstract Existence (Type 2), Conceptual Manipulation (Type 2), Elemental Manipulation, Energy Manipulation, Physics Manipulation and Time Manipulation (The Infinity Stones were created by the Big Bang from the remnants of six Singularities that existed long before the current universe. Each of them possesses and represents a fundamental, essential, and primordial aspect of existence: space, reality, power, soul, mind, and time—each capable of manipulating and controlling its respective aspect, containing the universe’s elemental energies. Every stone holds a power so vast, unparalleled, and indescribable that it lies beyond mortal comprehension and defies all science. They also create what is experienced as the flow of time)

Aether/Reality Stone
Currently we consider that the Aether/Reality Stone has High 3-A range since it can affect the entire universe and convert all matter into dark matter. But based on the following statements I think it would also qualify as High 3-A AP since, in summary: it can destroy and remake the entire universe, converting reality to an endless night of dark matter and dark energy, the latter as the universe is infinite requires to transform infinite energy (background radiation) into dark energy. It also has the power to tear the fabric of reality apart, as well as alter and control it. Furthermore, its endless darkness would have encompassed all existence, as seen in this scene and the storyboards as it plunges Yggdrasil (which is the entire universe) and beyond into darkness, covering its infinite space. Additionally, as a support, it's stated to be a weapon of infinite destruction and being infinitely powerful. In summary, the AP of the Aether, like its range, should be the following:

Star level, up to High Universe level (After amplifying the power of the Aether exponentially by consuming the Nine Worlds—including Nidavellir and Muspelheim, which is a Dyson sphere around a star—Malekith was going to destroy the entire Universe, encompassing all existence to convert reality to an endless night of dark matter and dark energy, remaking the universe to transform it back into eternal darkness, destroying all life in the process. The Aether has the power to tear apart, alter, and control the fabric of reality. Stated to be a weapon of infinite destruction and being infinitely powerful)

This would scale to the Reality Stone, Malekith (With the Aether), the IG and Thanos, the latter just its base 4-C tier

 

[Saqphire]

You can even push the upgrade further since it’s already accepted that the stones can affect 4D beings, so if we’re upgrading the maximum AP, we might aswell push for uni+

 

[KaramcaS]

The statements also say that their power lies beyond mortal comprehension and defies all science, even for Wakandans, which I think would grant them Physics Manipulation.

This is just something that naturally, there is no manipulating physics

 

[Rex_Eckles]

Makes sense to me.

 

[Isaacbobanka]

Shouldn't the star level be solar systematic if neutron stars have solar systematic gpe? Otherwise looks fine i agree

 

[RoTt35]

Shouldn't the star level be solar systematic if neutron stars have solar systematic gpe? Otherwise looks fine i agree

The issue is that Nidavellir is small compared to the average neutron star, this blog calculates its diameter from the current accepted size of the rings at 2255 meters (ignore everything else about the blog), and if I didn't do something wrong calculating its GBE I got Low 4-C

 

[Rex_Eckles]

The issue is that Nidavellir is small compared to the average neutron star, this blog calculates its diameter from the current accepted size of the rings at 2255 meters (ignore everything else about the blog), and if I didn't do something wrong calculating its GBE I got Low 4-C

Is the Low 4-C based on mass-energy conversion, GBE, or the star's luminosity?

 

[FinePoint]

I don't have a problem with the stones themselves scaling this high, and it aligns somewhat with them together shaping the aspects of a universe, but Thanos clearly doesn't have High 3-A AP with the Reality Stone.

The entire fight with him makes no sense in that context, and I think the actual portrayal here trumps a vague WOG statement.

 

[Rex_Eckles]

I don't have a problem with the stones themselves scaling this high, and it aligns somewhat with them together shaping the aspects of a universe, but Thanos clearly doesn't have High 3-A AP with the Reality Stone.

The entire fight with him makes no sense in that context.

How so?

 

[FinePoint]

How so?

In that he doesn't just instantly obliterate his opponents without hax protection... or even that he's apparently incapable of killing half the universe with High 3-A AP and range with a stone that he has enough control over to induce very specific reality warping.

 

[RoTt35]

In that he doesn't just instantly obliterate his opponents without hax protection... or even that he's apparently incapable of killing half the universe with High 3-A AP and range with a stone that he has enough control over to induce very specific reality warping.

Thanos is stated to be holding back during IW, not wanting to kill anyone who wasn't necessary, and he didn't want to destroy the universe but only correct it. Furthermore, the Reality Stone has to consume all Nine Worlds through the Convergence to be amplified to High 3-A, at its base it's just 4-C and even then it would be similar to the Power Stone which works against celestial bodies

 

[FinePoint]

Thanos is stated to be holding back during IW, not wanting to kill anyone who wasn't necessary, and he didn't want to destroy the universe but only correct it. Furthermore, the Reality Stone has to consume all Nine Worlds through the Convergence to be amplified to High 3-A, at its base it's just 4-C and even then it would be similar to the Power Stone which works against celestial bodies

Well if you admit it's only High 3-A under very specific circumstances then that only adds to my reasons I wouldn't want Thanos to just be straight-up upgraded to that level.

His current rating should be kept on the page is all I'm saying. High 3-A can maybe be added under a conditional.

 

[RoTt35]

Well if you admit it's only High 3-A under very specific circumstances then that only adds to my reasons I wouldn't want Thanos to just be straight-up upgraded to that level.

His current rating should be kept on the page is all I'm saying. High 3-A can maybe be added under a conditional.

Fair, and now that I think about it, it's true that the High 3-A tier of the Reality Stone is only obtained through specific events (consuming all Nine Worlds and during the Convergence). But would it be fine to include its base 4-C tier on Thanos' profile?

 

[FinePoint]

Fair, and now that I think about it, it's true that the High 3-A tier of the Reality Stone is only obtained through specific events (consuming all Nine Worlds and during the Convergence). But would it be fine to include its base 4-C tier on Thanos' profile?

Could you elaborate/remind me why its base tier is 4-C?

 

[KaramcaS]

Doesn't the universe disappear because the Reality Stone destroys the 9 Realms?

So, there's nothing to do with the Reality Stone; it's a completely indirect situation. Even if you destroy the 9 Realms one by one with anything, the entire universe will be destroyed anyway because without the 9 Realms due to Yggdrasil, the universe will be plunged into darkness

 

[RoTt35]

Could you elaborate/remind me why its base tier is 4-C?

In order for the Reality Stone to be amplified to High 3-A it must first consume the Nine Worlds, which include planets like Earth and stars like Muspelheim and Nidavellir

 

[FinePoint]

In order for the Reality Stone to be amplified to High 3-A it must first consume the Nine Worlds, which include planets like Earth and stars like Muspelheim and Nidavellir

I'm still not sure Thanos should scale to that.

 

[Rex_Eckles]

In order for the Reality Stone to be amplified to High 3-A it must first consume the Nine Worlds, which include planets like Earth and stars like Muspelheim and Nidavellir

I assume Malekith scales to 4-C with the Ether?

 

[RoTt35]

I'm still not sure Thanos should scale to that.

I mean, it's the base power of the Reality Stone, and for example we already include separate tiers for a few Stones on Thanos' profile, like "Up to 3-A tier with the Power Stone" and "Low 2-C Environmental Destruction with the Time Stone"

I assume Malekith scales to 4-C with the Ether?

Not physically

 

[FinePoint]

I mean, it's the base power of the Reality Stone, and for example we already include separate tiers for a few Stones on Thanos' profile, like "Up to 3-A tier with the Power Stone" and "Low 2-C Environmental Destruction with the Time Stone"

I suppose it's fine then.

 

[DarkDragonMedeus]

I mean, it's the base power of the Reality Stone, and for example we already include separate tiers for a few Stones on Thanos' profile, like "Up to 3-A tier with the Power Stone" and "Low 2-C Environmental Destruction with the Time Stone"

Not physically

Looks alright.

 

[RoTt35]

Bump

 

[RoTt35]

Bump

 

[Kavopaco]

Agreeing

 

[RoTt35]

I suppose it's fine then.

Looks alright.

Are two staff agreements enough or do I need more?

 

[FinePoint]

Are two staff agreements enough or do I need more?

For Marvel you probably need three.

 

[RoTt35]

Bump

 

[Ptumri9]

Bump

I suggest spending your time in staff's walls, otherwise you won't get people here. I had to post on 20+ staff to get 3 approvals in 2 weeks... it's def tough...

 

[Firestorm808]

Can you elaborate on how it fulfills the Conceptual Manipulation (Type 2) requirements?

 

[RoTt35]

Can you elaborate on how it fulfills the Conceptual Manipulation (Type 2) requirements?

The concept hax has already been accepted in an old CRT based on this

 

[ActuallySpaceMan42]

I mean, it's the base power of the Reality Stone, and for example we already include separate tiers for a few Stones on Thanos' profile, like "Up to 3-A tier with the Power Stone" and "Low 2-C Environmental Destruction with the Time Stone"

Yeah, as long as the same is down with the Reality Stone, this is fine.

 

[RoTt35]

Thanks for the input, I already applied the accepted changes so the thread can be closed now

 

[FinePoint]

Thanks for the input, I already applied the accepted changes so the thread can be closed now

I will do so then.