MCU: High 6-A/5-C Upgrades

[KLOL506]

Calc?

Worm: The Gold Calc Morning

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Couldn't that scale to CM via this statement and Ronan thinking CM is above the tesseract then? And the Korath thinking thanos is like >>> ?

It's not as direct as Hela's statement.

That's a I think gives some credibility to Ronan's implications and what we know of the tesseract

It's still not to the level of knowledge that Hela shows towards the Tesseract and the Eternal Flame.

 

[Dalesean027]

It's not as direct as Hela's statement

Captain Marvel being above the tesseract

Damn even with feige's input on it

 

[The_one_you_least_expect]

Worm: The Gold Calc Morning

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It's not as direct as Hela's statement.


It's still not to the level of knowledge that Hela shows towards the Tesseract and the Eternal Flame.

I don’t see why not, the tesseract is essentially a super weapon and Ronan drops that for carol

 

[Shmeatywerbenmanjenson]

This is the only thing tying Stormbreaker to the Hydron Enforcer, and a power stone amped Thanos overpowered Carol.

Variable power based on size though

 

[Lacku]

Variable power based on size though

wasn't it only labelled to be variable based on size because it was considered an outlier then for it to scale to actual AP

 

[Dalesean027]

wasn't it only labelled to be variable based on size because it was considered an outlier then for it to scale to actual AP

Nah gamora literally says it varies with size

 

[Lacku]

Nah gamora literally says it varies with size

O damn nvm then

 

[Dalesean027]

O damn nvm then

Yeah lol the link we had to the video is broken tho so it likely was taken down. We'd need to find it and reapply it to the profile

 

[The_one_you_least_expect]

Variable power based on size though

Pretty sure that’s only when it’s not by someone controlled

 

[Dalesean027]

Really though I think all of this should at least make possiby High 6-A viable at the very least because captain marvel has a lot going for her alongside the tesseract stuff and some conveniently alligned feats in What-If and statements from feige all which come out to High 6-A

The Tesseract

• The Tesseract has the potential energy to wipe out Earth without a minimum safe distance. That should at least be surface wiping, which is calculated at 646.570851 Petatons of TNT.
• Ronan implies that Captain Marvel is more powerful than the Tesseract. Korath stated that Thanos is the most powerful being in the universe, with Ronan indirectly agreeing with the claim.

**** I FORGOT ABOUT THIS

This gives more credibility to moon level MCU and Captain Marvel being above the tesseract

Not the calc for that but it would be consistent with CM in What-If having this high 6-A feat as well

Xandar Feat Recalc

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[Shmeatywerbenmanjenson]

wasn't it only labelled to be variable based on size because it was considered an outlier then for it to scale to actual AP

I don't see why holding the power stone doesn't scale to someone's AP, considering there literally "Channels" the energy of the stone in order to do stuff with it.
Ronin did it and nearly popped, the only reason he was saved was because he jammed it into his (Likely Uru) hammer.
Thanos held that shit for a far longer time than Ronin and never threatened to pop, do note that Thanos is far larger than Ronin as well the the power he would be channeling would be even greater.

 

[Dalesean027]

Btw can you update the OP @RoTt35 with this stuff

Really though I think all of this should at least make possiby High 6-A viable at the very least because captain marvel has a lot going for her alongside the tesseract stuff and some conveniently alligned feats in What-If and statements from feige all which come out to High 6-A

Add this as well for feige's statement

Worm: The Gold Calc Morning

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Since that's also high 6-A

And remove scarlet witch and rockets nidvallir stuff as well

 

[RoTt35]

Thanos is certainly portrayed as superior to Ronan in GoTG and we know that the Power Stone doesn’t amp durability. Make of that what you will

The Power Stone amped Ronan to Moon level durability, and it is stated that its user gains enhanced stamina

 

[The_one_you_least_expect]

Btw can you update the OP @RoTt35 with this stuff

Add this as well for feige's statement

Worm: The Gold Calc Morning

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Since that's also high 6-A

And remove scarlet witch and rockets nidvallir stuff as well

Why are you removing rockets stuff?

 

[Popted2]

who's going to be affected by this thread?

 

[Dalesean027]

The Power Stone amped Ronan to Moon level durability, and it is stated that its user gains enhanced stamina

Ah here's feige's statement for ya

We can talk about this in the MCU discussion thread and I asked for help finding it there since I'm having trouble and it's likely burried pretty deep

This so far is the only thing close to ir I could find:

Kevin Feige Says 'Captain Marvel' is By Far the Strongest MCU Hero

www.inverse.com

When explaining the character in-depth, and specifically the casting of Brie Larson, Feige reveals, “With Captain Marvel, who has powers that approach a level that we haven’t seen before in our films, you need to counter-balance that by finding somebody who is also very human and very relatable and can get into a groove with the audience, where they’re willing to see her fly through the sun and punch a moon away from a spacecraft. At the same time, we need her to land and have relatable flaws.”

Shit nvm I found some articles it was this statement here that I sent above so it was correct that feige said she could punch a moon away
[/Qoute]

Marvel’s Kevin Feige on ‘Spider-Man’s’ Future and Why Brie Larson Was Perfect for ‘Captain Marvel’

Kevin Feige aims to keep the comic-book imprint on a roll at the cineplex.

variety.com

Here's the feige stuff for ya

Why are you removing rockets stuff?

Because it's decisive and not agreed on as beeing usable by most people here

who's going to be affected by this thread?

Infinity War and Endgame scaling

 

[The_one_you_least_expect]

Ah here's feige's statement for ya

Shit nvm I found some articles it was this statement here that I sent above so it was correct that feige said she could punch a moon away
[/Qoute]

Marvel’s Kevin Feige on ‘Spider-Man’s’ Future and Why Brie Larson Was Perfect for ‘Captain Marvel’

Kevin Feige aims to keep the comic-book imprint on a roll at the cineplex.

variety.com

Here's the feige stuff for ya


Because it's decisive and not agreed on as beeing usable by most people here

Infinity War and Endgame scaling

Based on what?

 

[Dalesean027]

Based on what?

??

 

[The_one_you_least_expect]

??

I mean why do people disagree with it?

 

[Shmeatywerbenmanjenson]

Seems vague if anything. If it was something more direct like actual statements like calling Captain Marvel as much worse than the Tesseract or something, I'd buy it. But as it stands, I personally would not use this.

Were not just gonna handwave a statement so blatant.
His words exactly:
Ronin: We'll be back for the weapon
Lacky: The Core (Tesseract)
Ronin: The Woman (Strong women music plays)

Seems pretty cut and dry that Ronin considers Carol a greater weapon than even the Tesseract

Cool, scales to nobody else sadly.

Scales to Thanos as he was able to tank the full power of the stone without relying on a weapon, and in extension anyone who was able to at least somewhat compare to Thanos.

 

[Shmeatywerbenmanjenson]

Because it's decisive and not agreed on as beeing usable by most people here

Is been disagreed upon by like 2 people, don't give up so quickly man.

 

[RoTt35]

Would Scarlet Witch withstanding interdimensional punches from America Chavez also count for High 6-A?

 

[KLOL506]

Scales to Thanos as he was able to tank the full power of the stone without relying on a weapon, and in extension anyone who was able to at least somewhat compare to Thanos.

He only used it for a short while in his fist, even Ronan had difficulty putting that power into his own hands and had to use his hammer instead.

 

[Marvel_Champion_07]

Just woke up, so I wanna give my proper thoughts

Sling Rings

• To achieve interdimensional travel you need the base energy of the sun, which releases 3.846e26 Joules or 91.9216 Petatons of TNT per second.
• According to this thread, the Sling Rings are accepted to be AP, WoG states that Thanos' skin is almost impenetrable and we don't know whether Doctor Strange had the capability to cut it.

Disagree FRA

The Tesseract

• The Tesseract has the potential energy to wipe out Earth without a minimum safe distance. That should at least be surface wiping, which is calculated at 646.570851 Petatons of TNT.
• Ronan implies that Captain Marvel is more powerful than the Tesseract. Korath stated that Thanos is the most powerful being in the universe, with Ronan indirectly agreeing with the claim.
• Hela implies that the Eternal Flame is more powerful than the Tesseract.

Kinda vague, but I'm okay with it

The Bifrost

• The Bifrost nearly destroyed Jotunheim, which was calculated at 6.1671661682e27 Joules or 1.47398809 Exatons of TNT.
• Thor states that nothing compares to what the Mind Stone can unleash, with him knowing that the Bifrost nearly destroyed Jotunheim.
• Scarlet Witch destroyed the Mind Stone.
• Stormbreaker overpowered a beam from the six Infinity Stones, which should include the power of the Mind Stone and Space Stone. Stormbreaker channels Thor's power (Source: MCU Science Adviser).

Disagree for SW, but I'm okay for Stormbreaker

Captain Marvel

• WoG states: “With Captain Marvel, who has powers that approach a level that we haven’t seen before in our films, you need to counter-balance that by finding somebody who is also very human and very relatable and can get into a groove with the audience, where they’re willing to see her fly through the sun and punch a moon away from a spacecraft". Knocking the moon out of orbit is High 6-A.
• Captain Marvel performed a High 6-A feat in What If...?

Sure

Hadron Enforcer

• Rocket's Hadron Enforcer can blow up moons, which is confirmed by guidebooks.
• Ronan, who was empowered by the Power Stone, was unfazed/unscathed by the Hadron Enforcer.
• Rocket itself states that Nidavellir, place of creation of Mjölnir and Stormbreaker, makes the most powerful and horrific weapons to ever torment the universe.

Yes

 

[RoTt35]

Shouldn't Thanos be amped/empowered by the Power Stone like Ronan? It is stated that the Power Stone gives enhanced strength and stamina to its user

 

[Dalesean027]

Just woke up, so I wanna give my proper thoughts

Kinda vague, but I can see it working

Sure

These two are kinda hand and hand tho so I wouldn't say its entirely vague since feige's statement supports that along with the common feat and what if all being high 6-A

 

[Eseseso]

Captain Marvel's High 6-A feat is solid, but no one other than SW scales to her.

Infinity War and Endgame scaling

How so?

 

[Shmeatywerbenmanjenson]

He only used it for a short while in his fist, even Ronan had difficulty putting that power into his own hands and had to use his hammer instead.

Except unlike Ronin his entire body wasn't glowing and about to pop, despite holding it longer than Ronin.




Also note that in this scene Thanos does not seem fazed by Ronin's threat to kill him

 

[Dalesean027]

How

What you just said CM and SW that's all tho

 

[Marvel_Champion_07]

These two are kinda hand and hand tho so I wouldn't say its entirely vague since feige's statement supports that along with the common feat and what if all being high 6-A

Yeah, that's why I said kinda vague. But I'm really okay with using it

no one other than SW scales to her

Thanos could easily take direct attacks from Captain Marvel before throwing her aside

 

[Eseseso]

But how do the other High 6-C people like Thanos, Thor, Iron Man, etc scale to High 6-A?

 

[Newendigo]

The statement comes from Erik Selvig, who's basically an authority on physics within the MCU and was a key factor in stopping the convergence in The Dark World and even tried warning people about it before it happened, to say he doesn't have knowledge on things like ignores how credible he's been in the past

No on magics tho, his statement also doesn't mention how the energy would be used.
Do you need to power a machine that allows for indimensional travel?
Is the energy focused on beam to break the fabric of reality?
The space stone (Which is the one cosmic objects that Selvig interacted the most) can create portals due to its inherence ability to manipulate space, not necesariliy energy.

I will try to address the other points later.

 

[HammerStrikes219]

Except unlike Ronin his entire body wasn't glowing and about to pop, despite holding it longer than Ronin.




Also note that in this scene Thanos does not seem fazed by Ronin's threat to kill him

While this is true, he has to put back the stone he take out into the infinity gauntlet.

Anyway, I am neutral overall.

 

[Propellus]

But how do the other High 6-C people like Thanos, Thor, Iron Man, etc scale to High 6-A?

They're aren't High 6-C anymore

 

[Shmeatywerbenmanjenson]

While this is true, he has to put back the stone he take out into the infinity gauntlet.

Anyway, I am neutral overall.

Yes, but he can channel the (Greater than Ronin levels) energy without popping.
Also why the hell would he not do that? His entire motive in this scene is to remake the universe which requires all the stones together

 

[Shmeatywerbenmanjenson]

Kinda vague, but I can see it working

Just gona copy this here since I don't feel like re-writing it

His words exactly:
Ronin: We'll be back for the weapon
Lacky: The Core (Tesseract)
Ronin: The Woman (Strong women music plays)

Seems pretty cut and dry that Ronin considers Carol a greater weapon than even the Tesseract

 

[HammerStrikes219]

Yes, but he can channel the (Greater than Ronin levels) energy without popping.
Also why the hell would he not do that? His entire motive in this scene is to remake the universe which requires all the stones together

There is also the scene where we were told his future self destroyed the stones and even outright stated it damn near killed him during the attempt to destroy the stones.
Also not sure if it counts as being longer than Ronan’s exposure to the same stone Thanos was using tbh.

 

[RoTt35]

Captain Marvel's High 6-A feat is solid, but no one other than SW scales to her.

Ronan indirectly agreed with Korath, who also knows the power of Captain Marvel, stating that Thanos is the most powerful being in the universe. So according to statements and feats the scaling would be: Tesseract < Captain Marvel (1995) < Thanos < Captain Marvel (2018-2023), makes sense considering it was the first time Captain Marvel unleashed her true power and the time gap

 

[KLOL506]

Would Scarlet Witch withstanding interdimensional punches from America Chavez also count for High 6-A?

No, it's just hax.

While this is true, he has to put back the stone he take out into the infinity gauntlet.

Anyway, I am neutral overall.

Was about to say this

 

[Ayewale]

Overall not bad but some of the points are pretty faulty.

...

• I dunno how the Ronan statement proves literally anything, so I'm going to ask for some context. It's been a minute since I've seen Captain Marvel. From what I can tell it's literally him just clarifying that Captain Marvel is the one they are searching for. @Shmeatywerbenmanjenson 's explanation doesn't really help because he just repeated what they said again.
• Thanos is most certainly not stronger than Captain Marvel, so that implication may as well be null.
• The Captain Marvel section is kind of questionable because it seems more...illustrative than anything else? Like I guess it could be used, but 'punch a moon away from a spacecraft' is very vague, and not at all 'knocking the moon out of orbit', so you'll probably have to throw that out.
• The Eternal Flame comment from Hela is also completely bunk. There is literally no implication that the Flame has more AP than the Tesseract, and this further supported by how the Eternal Flame isn't even used for AP??? Like that's so vague it's unuseable.

Everything else seems fine.