Massive Upgrade Musashi Miyamoto

[FictUnderstand]

Looks Like This Thread Should be Closed, We've Got Approval From Maverick

 

[Nehz_XZX]

Looks Like This Thread Should be Closed, We've Got Approval From Maverick

Accelerated Development looks more like Statistics Amplification, and the Heat Manipulation should be listed as limited. Everything else looks fine at a glance.

Maverick Zero X, would that be fine for you?

 

[Maverick_Zero_X]

I suppose so. Remember to cite chapter sources though since the OP seems to lack those.

 

[FictUnderstand]

I Will Add It In Source Section

 

[Nehz_XZX]

I suppose so. Remember to cite chapter sources though since the OP seems to lack those.

I Will Add It In Source Section

Okay, since Maverick Zero X is alright with this it should be fine as long as nobody still has any issues to discuss here.

FictUnderstand, regarding your request for Musashi Miyamoto's profile to be unlocked, it seems like as if autoconfirmed users should be able to edit it and it isn't limited to administrators, so you should be able to edit it without me needing to do anything if you are logged in to your Fandom account.

 

[Andytrenom]

Paralysis inducement

If he's literally making them unconscious that's not paralysis

Subjective Reality

I know this has been proposed in the past. Was this not on the page already

Resistance negation

I think resistance in this context means the opposite of compliance. He is trying to deny he is being cut but his body still reacts

 

[Andytrenom]

Heat Manipulation

It seems more like he's making a comparison than Musashi literally heating up the air

Pain tolerance

Do note this isn't actually an ability on the wiki but I guess there's no harm in listing it

 

[Andytrenom]

I think the discussion should have continued since some of these additions are sketchy

 

[MonkeyOfLife]

Limited Subjective Reality :
Musashi Can Project His Imagination Into Real

Isn't this limited Illusion Creation?

Resistance Negation :
Musashi's Slash Rejects Resistance

His not negating any resistance, his bypassing it

Accelerated Development :
By Stretching His Body, Make Musashi Faster

This isn't accelerated development, this a speed Amp it looks like, so it's Statistics Amplification

Reactive Evolution :
Adapting to Yujiro in Battle, It Evolves Musashi's Technique

Not reactive evolution at all... He's adapting to yuijro which then leads to him evolving his style, it could be an intelligence/Skill feat or possibly limited Adaptation

Electricity Manipulation :
Musashi and Yujiro's Aura Generates Electricity in the Air

This looks like it's illusion based

 

[MonkeyOfLife]

Pain tolerance is usually listed as resistance to pain manipulation btw

 

[FictUnderstand]

I know this has been proposed in the past. Was this not on the page already

None at All

Do note this isn't actually an ability on the wiki but I guess there's no harm in listing it

Okay

 

[FictUnderstand]

Isn't this limited Illusion Creation

I've written the explanation

His not negating any resistance, his bypassing it

It was written that despite the resistance, his body couldn't resist the slash

This isn't accelerated development, this a speed Amp it looks like, so it's Statistics Amplification

Yes, Previously I Agree With This

This looks like it's illusion based

There are no illusions during the battle, It's Because The Auras Of The Two Of They Are Lit On Each Other

Not reactive evolution at all... He's adapting to yuijro which then leads to him evolving his style, it could be an intelligence/Skill feat or possibly limited Adaptation

Not at all, He Adapts When Fighting With Yujiro, And Evolves His Technique

 

[Antvasima]

Hello.

I reverted some recent edits in Musashi's VSBW page earlier, since there was no link to this thread in its edit summary box.

Musashi Miyamoto (Baki)

Musashi Miyamoto was once Japan's greatest swordsman and is the country's most renowned legend four hundred years later. Sometime after the final battle between Yujiro and Baki, Musashi was resurrected through scientific cloning and supernatural soul transfer. After his resurrection, Musashi...

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Had all of the changes in question been accepted here or not?

 

[Andytrenom]

They were but I have some oppositions right now

 

[FictUnderstand]

Hello.

I reverted some recent edits in Musashi's VSBW page earlier, since there was no link to this thread in its edit summary box.

Musashi Miyamoto (Baki)

Musashi Miyamoto was once Japan's greatest swordsman and is the country's most renowned legend four hundred years later. Sometime after the final battle between Yujiro and Baki, Musashi was resurrected through scientific cloning and supernatural soul transfer. After his resurrection, Musashi...

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Had all of the changes in question been accepted here or not?

Previously I Have Made This

Agree : Shmooply, NotoriouSoda, Drexkz, Livinmeme, Kerr5, Maverick
Neutral : Inkown ( Leads to Agree )
Disagree : —

 

[MonkeyOfLife]

I've written the explanation

Yee, but I don't understand where the Limited Subjective Reality comes from, here he literally says hes been holding it the since the beginning and then shows it to gaia, which is either camouflage or illusion creation

Not at all, He Adapts When Fighting With Yujiro, And Evolves His Technique

that isn't reactive evolution...

It was written that despite the resistance, his body couldn't resist the slash

He's not negating his resistance... He's bypassing it, it says despite his resistance, which would mean he's resistance is still there and haven't been negated but bypassed

Yes, Previously I Agree With This

There are no illusions during the battle, It's Because The Auras Of The Two Of They Are Lit On Each Other

Their aura creates illusions... This is shown with baki and many more characters

They even call this illusion/perception, Imagination into reality but its not meant to be taken literally... You can only perceive it...

 

[FictUnderstand]

Yee, but I don't understand where the Limited Subjective Reality comes from, here he literally says hes been holding it the since the beginning and then shows it to gaia, which is either camouflage or illusion creation

It's Just His Pose While Holding The Sword, You Can Say He's Crazy With The Sword To The Point That He Doesn't Want To Let It Go

Here and Here

Their aura creates illusions... This is shown with baki and many more characters

It's Just Limited Perception Manipulation and It's Already In Baki Profile

He's not negating his resistance... He's bypassing it, it says despite his resistance, which would mean he's resistance is still there and haven't been negated but bypassed

I guess I'm starting to agree with this

that isn't reactive evolution...

Reactive Evolution is the ability to evolve, From that evolution we get New abilities and powers and more. But not by adaptation, they just adapt but don't give rise to new evolutions

As opposed to Reactive Evolution, Adaptation only gives a character the ability to balance the resources of its current body, not to, for example, grow more durable or powerful.

 

[FictUnderstand]

They were but I have some oppositions right now

What Makes You Disagree With This Thread ?

 

[MonkeyOfLife]

It's Just His Pose While Holding The Sword, You Can Say He's Crazy With The Sword To The Point That He Doesn't Want To Let It Go

Here and Here

I guess if baki has it, limited subject reality kinda works

It's Just Limited Perception Manipulation and It's Already In Baki Profile

Yee I know, which is similar with what they are doing with the electricity and the heat...

Forgot his name but the small guy even says he doesn't know what else to compare the raw aura to after he says that it feels electricity in the air... It's the same with the heat one, they are comparing their aura to something similar

I guess I'm starting to agree with this

Reactive Evolution is the ability to evolve

Reactive Evolution is the ability to, in response to threats and adverse situations, evolve in ways the user previously lacked. This allowing them to be better capable of dealing with said issues faced, and this evolution can come in the following ways:

• Developing new powers or abilities
• Developing new resistances
• Developing greater statistics. However, if this is the only way in which they "evolve", then Accelerated Development should be given instead to avoid redundancy.

Evolving a technique isn't reactive evolution... Otherwise I would get it from for example if I fight in a boxing match and I in some ways evolve my technique against my opponent to win, that isn't reactive evolution, that's a skill feat

 

[Andytrenom]

Let's go over this

Musashi shouldn't have resistance negation, resistance in this context is the opposite of compliance, he is denying being but Baki's body still reacts

Electricity manipulation seems to just be figurative as pointed out by Confluctor

The Heat gaze is a comparison rather than Musashi literally heating up the air

If you incapacitate someone by making them unconscious that's doesn't qualify as paralysis inducement

What you propose as Accelerated Development is stat amping but he will have accelerated development regardless based on evolving his technique mid battle

AP revision I will leave untouched

 

[Antvasima]

They were but I have some oppositions right now

Okay. Noted.

Let's go over this

Musashi shouldn't have resistance negation, resistance in this context is the opposite of compliance, he is denying being but Baki's body still reacts

Electricity manipulation seems to just be figurative as pointed out by Confluctor

The Heat gaze is a comparison rather than Musashi literally heating up the air

If you incapacitate someone by making them unconscious that's doesn't qualify as paralysis inducement

What you propose as Accelerated Development is stat amping but he will have accelerated development regardless based on evolving his technique mid battle

AP revision I will leave untouched

Thank you for helping out. The above conclusions should preferably be applied then.

 

[FictUnderstand]

Musashi seharusnya tidak memiliki penolakan penolakan, resistensi dalam konteks ini adalah kebalikan dari kepatuhan, dia menyangkal keberadaan tetapi tubuh Baki masih bereaksi

Manipulasi listrik tampaknya hanya kiasan seperti yang ditunjukkan oleh Confluctor

Tatapan Panas adalah perbandingan daripada Musashi benar-benar memanaskan udara

Jika Anda melumpuhkan seseorang dengan membuat mereka tidak sadar, itu tidak memenuhi syarat sebagai bujukan kelumpuhan

I will not discuss this again because it has been refuted too far

What you propose as Accelerated Development is stat amping but he will have accelerated development regardless based on evolving his technique mid battle

Previously I Agree About This

 

[FictUnderstand]

All that's left here is Limited Subjective Reality, Extreme Pain Tolerance, Resistance to Fear Manipulation, Speed and Statistics Amplification and Attack Potency and Durability

What is your opinion About this ?

 

[MonkeyOfLife]

All that's left here is Limited Subjective Reality, Extreme Pain Tolerance, Resistance to Fear Manipulation, Speed and Statistics Amplification and Attack Potency and Durability

What is your opinion About this ?

I agree with those personally

 

[Majinere566]

Electricity Manipulation :
Musashi and Yujiro's Aura Generates Electricity in the Air

Heavily disagree with this. This is a prime example of an exaggeration

 

[Andytrenom]

Musashi's swords seem to still be imaginary, but have a convincing effect that they can cut you, making you feel the presence of something that isn't there

If he had subjective reality, he would have just manifested physical swords and actually cut everyone

 

[FictUnderstand]

Musashi's swords seem to still be imaginary, but have a convincing effect that they can cut you, making you feel the presence of something that isn't there

If he had subjective reality, he would have just manifested physical swords and actually cut everyone

It should be limited subjective reality

 

[FictUnderstand]

Can we conclude from this thread?

 

[Majinere566]

Electricity manipulation should be a no go

 

[FictUnderstand]

Electricity manipulation should be a no go

I know about it

 

[Majinere566]

I know about it

Imo you should cross out the stuff that's rejected so it would be clearer for new people seeing the thread

 

[Antvasima]

Thank you for helping out. The above conclusions should preferably be applied then.

So about this...

 

[MonkeyOfLife]

Musashi's swords seem to still be imaginary, but have a convincing effect that they can cut you, making you feel the presence of something that isn't there

If he had subjective reality, he would have just manifested physical swords and actually cut everyone

It should be limited subjective reality

I think this is the only discussion left?

 

[Antvasima]

I think this is the only discussion left?

Okay.

@Andytrenom

Do you have any further comments here?

 

[FictUnderstand]

I think Andytrenom has no further comments

 

[MonkeyOfLife]

I think Andytrenom has no further comments

So no to limited subject reality? Or do want them to comment about it or not?

 

[FictUnderstand]

So no to limited subject reality? Or do want them to comment about it or not?

I guess they're okay with limited subjective reality

 

[Andytrenom]

I'm not

 

[Antvasima]

Okay. That seems to have been rejected then. Is there anything left to do here, or should we close this thread?

 

[MonkeyOfLife]

Okay. That seems to have been rejected then. Is there anything left to do here, or should we close this thread?

I think only some of the abilities are ok/accepted

All that's left here is Limited Subjective Reality, Extreme Pain Tolerance, Resistance to Fear Manipulation, Speed and Statistics Amplification and Attack Potency and Durability

What is your opinion About this ?

Musashi's swords seem to still be imaginary, but have a convincing effect that they can cut you, making you feel the presence of something that isn't there

If he had subjective reality, he would have just manifested physical swords and actually cut everyone

I think all those things are accepted without limited subject reality