Massive Terraria CRT

[Lou_change]

Bump
Could either of the Calc group members here @ some of the supporters and knowledgeable members on the verse page?

 

[Dalesean027]

Im confused what are we needing more people for? We already determined the values and have votes

 

[Lou_change]

I am pretty sure 2 staff with voting rights are needed and since tier 2 is a fact we need at least one administrator. Contacting CrimsonStarFallen and Mr. Bambu two staff members who claim to be knowledgeable on the verse seems reasonable.

 

[Dalesean027]

I am pretty sure 2 staff with voting rights are needed and since tier 2 is a fact we need at least one administrator. Contacting CrimsonStarFallen and Mr. Bambu two staff members who claim to be knowledgeable on the verse seems reasonable.

You don't need an admin at all just 2 staff votes is fine

 

[Lou_change]

About that

• For content revisions that affect Tier 2 or higher, the participation of at least one Administrator in the review and approval process is required.
  • The Administrator(s) should provide their evaluations and input regarding the suggested revision, and their decision will be given significant weight in the final determination of approval.

 

[DaReaperMan]

Oh boy, here we go... I'm here because I am bored.

First of all: I am neutral on the Celestial pillars. Both sides have a good argument.

What I am iffy on is Galaxy level and Uni+.

Galaxy level​

This is... one tooltip. from one thing. No, a planet level feat does not support a 3-C tiering. Not exactly contradictory because this shit was not hard to do for the pillars, but it does not support 3-C. So... yes this is a one-off statement with little support. Is this more funky than other Terraria tiers like 5-C? I'd say they're comparable, but then again if I had my way we'd downgrade everyone that isn't Endgame rated to Fishron's mist feat as to not have a shaky ass feat be the only thing for scaling.

So, as it stands, 3-C would be fine with how loosely Terraria tiers are treated at the moment, if we put an analytical eye over it, 3-C turns into nothing.

Uni+/Uni​

First of all: Uni+ is unsubstantiated garbage because I do NOT see any semblance of time being affected here. cool? cool.

as for Uni... the dryads literally contradict Cthulhu's Uni thing in the same sentence. You don't threaten the fabric of the universe then have the power of the universe used on you so badly you are forced into a retreat and have massive chunks of yourself blown out of you! Seriously, this is not a feat, it's an anti-feat.

Overall: With how loose shit is right now, 3-C is fine, 3-A or Low 2-C is NOT.

 

[DaReaperMan]

You don't need an admin at all just 2 staff votes is fine

Im confused what are we needing more people for? We already determined the values and have votes

Zero evaluating staff have commented here.

 

[ObberGobb]

as for Uni... the dryads literally contradict Cthulhu's Uni thing in the same sentence. You don't threaten the fabric of the universe then have the power of the universe used on you so badly you are forced into a retreat and have massive chunks of yourself blown out of you! Seriously, this is not a feat, it's an anti-feat.

What is wrong with that? The just means that every single Dryad working together is above Cthulhu. That's not an anti-feat feat for Universe level, that just means the combined power of the Dryads is also Universe level.

 

[AbaddonTheDisappointment]

You don't need an admin at all just 2 staff votes is fine

Tier 2 and above needs an admin vote

Anyways if I remember I’ll check this thread out later got other work I have to do before that though

 

[DaReaperMan]

What is wrong with that? The just means that every single Dryad working together is above Cthulhu. That's not an anti-feat feat for Universe level, that just means the combined power of the Dryads is also Universe level.

Missing the point. Cthulhu threatens the fabric of the universe, yes? Well, the instant the actual power of the universe is used on Cthulhu it is forced to run and gets severely injured to the point where it should have immortality type 2 for surviving that shit!

Either it's just AP that doesn't scale to it's Durability or Striking Strength, or it just is not a feat for it.

 

[Dalesean027]

Tier 2 and above needs an admin vote

Anyways if I remember I’ll check this thread out later got other work I have to do before that though

Oh then that rule does not always get followed

 

[Lou_change]

First despite the crt still saying 3-C is was agreed to instead scale the pillars to the energy of every star in the system which was between 5-A or High 5-A.

Second the dryads used their connection to the planet, not the power of universe.

 

[Dalesean027]

First despite the crt still saying 3-C is was agreed to instead scale the pillars to the energy of every star in the system which was between 5-A or High 5-A.

Second the dryads used their connection to the planet, not the power of universe.

The 5-A statement is just support tbh, the main thing accepted is low 2-C

Second is a fallacy
Just because they use their connection to the planet to battle him doesn't mean the power is only planet level

Missing the point. Cthulhu threatens the fabric of the universe, yes? Well, the instant the actual power of the universe is used on Cthulhu it is forced to run and gets severely injured to the point where it should have immortality type 2 for surviving that shit!

Either it's just AP that doesn't scale to it's Durability or Striking Strength, or it just is not a feat for it.

Yeah idk where you're logic is here. You can be universe level and be threatened by another universe level??

 

[DaReaperMan]

Yeah idk where you're logic is here. You can be universe level and be threatened by another universe level??

Cthulhu was crippled. by people using the power of the universe on him.

hey Dalesean, do you scale to something that blows your arm off? That's basically what happened here.

 

[Lou_change]

Second is a fallacy
Just because they use their connection to the planet to battle him doesn't mean the power is only planet level

I wasn't trying to claim that. It is a magic sentient planet, described as having unprecedented potential. He was arguing off an incorrect assumption and I offered clarification. I disagreed with you a few times and now you seem to just be belittling me.

 

[Dalesean027]

I wasn't trying to claim that. It is a magic sentient planet, described as having unprecedented potential. He was arguing off an incorrect assumption and I offered clarification. I disagreed with you a few times and now you seem to just be belittling me.

How did I belittle you with anything I've said? I literally did the same as you and gave clarification

Cthulhu was crippled. by people using the power of the universe on him.

hey Dalesean, do you scale to something that blows your arm off? That's basically what happened here.

1. Its never said they use the "power of the universe" to defeat him
2. chill with the condescending tone especially when the core of your argument is blatantly wrong

 

[Dalesean027]

I wasn't trying to claim that. It is a magic sentient planet, described as having unprecedented potential. He was arguing off an incorrect assumption and I offered clarification.

Anyways last part aside, I did misunderstand a bit I'll admit so my bad there. I did read what you said as because their power comes from the connection to planet its only planet level.

I do agree that he had the incorrect assumption so you were right in what ya said there, we were saying the same thing

 

[Lou_change]

I am probably just recalling stuff with a bad faith interpretation because I happen to be annoyed at the moment, by the fact our last few interactions have involved you simply assuming I am wrong and not elaborating. Admittedly I have almost certainly been neglecting to consider my own failures in expressing my ideas.

 

[DaReaperMan]

How did I belittle you with anything I've said? I literally did the same as you and gave clarification

This is correct, actually, bro is behaving more than either of us Lou lol

1. Its never said they use the "power of the universe" to defeat him

Okay, they use their connection to the planet to beat a universal threat, that's even worse for Uni being legit. At least for 5-B we can say that the shown feat goes above the feat we have 0 context on thus making Shown source>Stated source comes into play and slam dunks that shit into the trash can, but here we have two stated feats competing with each other.

2. chill with the condescending tone especially when the core of your argument is blatantly wrong

And the core of your argument (At least by the OP) is Uni+ with a feat that doesn't even bring up or mention time. I might be nicer if we weren't making that jump in logic.

To stop this argument from turning into the 15 page argument that goes in circles, my vote is for 3-C, likely 3-A (As one is a feat and one is an anti-feat, split 50/50) If we did it my way and started using less shaky feats, we'd go 8-B/8-A, 7-B, and 5-B for the various boss tiers. But since we still use 5-C the 3-C statement is on comparable terms to that.

(Also, apologies for the condescending shit, I should probably monitor my tone more)

 

[Dalesean027]

Okay, they use their connection to the planet to beat a universal threat, that's even worse for Uni being legit. At least for 5-B we can say that the shown feat goes above the feat we have 0 context on thus making Shown source>Stated source comes into play and slam dunks that shit into the trash can, but here we have two stated feats competing with each other.

This isn't a planet level statement, its just saying the dryads civilization used their connection to their world to defeat him, their world being a medium for their powers doesn't denote the potency of their abilities or act as an anti-feat, their power just relies on them having a connection to their world.

And the core of your argument (At least by the OP) is Uni+ with a feat that doesn't even bring up or mention time. I might be nicer if we weren't making that jump in

Doesn't need a timeframe when you're erasing space-time, threatening the fabric of the universe is enough.

 

[DaReaperMan]

This isn't a planet level statement, its just saying the dryads civilization used their connection to their world to defeat him, their world being a medium for their powers doesn't denote the potency of their abilities or act as an anti-feat, their power just relies on them having a connection to their world.

Different interpretations, I suppose.

Doesn't need a timeframe when you're erasing space-time, threatening the fabric of the universe is enough.

Not time as in time frame, but time as in the concept. Fabric of the universe can easily just be space.

 

[Lou_change]

And the core of your argument (At least by the OP) is Uni+ with a feat that doesn't even bring up or mention time. I might be nicer if we weren't making that jump in logic.

Fabric of Terraria is implied to refer to the fabric of the universe (it could technically refer to just the whole planet since terraria is seemingly used for the planet and universe, but that definition of fabric is considered archaic). The he fabric of the universe is generally used as a way to refer space-time.

 

[Dalesean027]

Not time as in time frame, but time as in the concept. Fabric of the universe can easily just be space

I'd argue the common interpretation of that would be space time but regardless should still be baseline 3-A