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[Dalesean027]

It's a scaling chain. In fact the endgame Dryad can tank Moon Lord's hits.

Thats not how that works you don't use game health bars for scaling so if thats the only reason it doesn't work

 

[Super_Ascended_Sean_Pazdera]

Thats not how that works you don't use game health bars for scaling so if thats the only reason it doesn't work

I don't remember using health bars. I remember her taking hits without being killed.

 

[MaybeWantsToEdit]

She's taking hits from a weakened Cthulhu (Moon Lord). Nothing suggests she would be able to survive Cthulhu's original power, and nothing in the lore says anything does besides Cthulhu himself, and the power of all the Dyrads together. Moon Lord would only have been Universe level+ if he had fused his body with all the mechanical bosses, which never ended up happening.

 

[Super_Ascended_Sean_Pazdera]

She's taking hits from a weakened Cthulhu (Moon Lord). Nothing suggests she would be able to survive Cthulhu's original power, and nothing in the lore says anything does besides Cthulhu himself, and the power of all the Dyrads together. Moon Lord would only have been Universe level+ if he had fused his body with all the mechanical bosses, which never ended up happening.

Yeah, that's why the army was much stronger than the endgame Dryad. Zenith should upscale from them.

 

[BestMGQScalerEver]

Shouldn't we scale to 60x whatever value the galaxy stuff is since the respective pillar can drop up to 60 fragments which presumably make up the pillar we fight in some way.

I kinda got ignored when I first brought that up

 

[MaybeWantsToEdit]

Yeah, that's why the army was much stronger than the endgame Dryad. Zenith should upscale from them.

?? what's "why" the army was stronger. You haven't really explained why Zenith would upscale Dryad civilization's AP.

And endgame Dryad doesn't exist, her durability stays stagnant the whole game. Actually that would mean her surviving a hit would just be game mechanics since early game is blatantly nowhere near on the same power as Moon Lord they're using wooden swords and yo-yos. Akin to how we have Cirno at City Block despite in-game surviving Reimu's attacks, or how a naked Link in BotW can theoretically take on Ganon. Dryad on her own shouldn't be able to canonically survive that.

 

[MaybeWantsToEdit]

Shouldn't we scale to 60x whatever value the galaxy stuff is since the respective pillar can drop up to 60 fragments which presumably make up the pillar we fight in some way.

I kinda got ignored when I first brought that up

Probably? I don't actually think the tier would change though given the difference between tiers gets so high, but I'm fine with that.

 

[SeijiSetto]

Is the wiki's main standard assumption for things like this just assuming the luminosity? The item is a ball of energy and it comes from a pillar based on a giant cloud of gas in space. I think the profile should say something like "Large Planet level, likely/possibly up to Solar System level", since I don't think there's a discernable way to confirm what it's using.

it's in the same way that "power of a star" [with no further context] would only get you High 6-A because that's the energy put out by the Sun earch second (literally, its power)

 

[Lou_change]

And endgame Dryad doesn't exist, her durability stays stagnant the whole game

technically NPCs get more armor as you beat bosses, enter hard mode, and read the two books that exist just to buff NPCs

 

[Super_Ascended_Sean_Pazdera]

?? what's "why" the army was stronger. You haven't really explained why Zenith would upscale Dryad civilization's AP.

And endgame Dryad doesn't exist, her durability stays stagnant the whole game. Actually that would mean her surviving a hit would just be game mechanics since early game is blatantly nowhere near on the same power as Moon Lord they're using wooden swords and yo-yos. Akin to how we have Cirno at City Block despite in-game surviving Reimu's attacks, or how a naked Link in BotW can theoretically take on Ganon. Dryad on her own shouldn't be able to canonically survive that.

Are you doing this on purpose? Why the **** would the Zenith upscale the Dryads? Obviously the Dryads would upscale the Zenith.

"early game is blatantly nowhere near on the same power as Moon Lord" uuhhhhhh yeah. It is. Good thing the Dryad doesn't stay at early game the whole game, huh?

 

[ObberGobb]

I don't think we should assume that Moon Lord is vastly below the level has was at as Cthulhu

Moon Lord is never stated to be comparable to the gods. They're only stated to be "immeasurable" in power when they were Cthulhu. As Moon Lord, they're not talked about nearly as power

Like this is not true at all. Moon Lord's bestiary entry says "The mastermind behind all terrors which befall the world, freed from his lunar prison. Practically a god, his power knows no limits."

Moon Lord was weakened after losing to the Dryads, as the Lunatic Cult was making the Mechanical Bosses to restore it to full strength, but Moon Lord is still described as a god with limitless power. Both "his power knows no limits" and the whole "fury of a universe" thing seem to support that the Moon Lord is still at universal levels of power.

In addition, the Moon Lord seems to have regained power himself, without the Lunatic Cult's help. The lore says that he was hiding on the dark side of the moon, regaining his strength. The Lunatic Cultists were making the Mechanical Bosses to replace his organs: the Twins as his eyes, the Destroyer as his spine, and Skeleton Prime as his skull, with a mechanical brain being a work in progress that the player interrupts by rescuing the Mechanic. When we see Moon Lord, he has eyes, a spine, a skull, and brain. So, the damage the Dryads did to him seems to be mostly healed.

 

[Lou_change]

Are you doing this on purpose? Why the **** would the Zenith upscale the Dryads? Obviously the Dryads would upscale the Zenith.

An entire race who couldn't even kill Cthulhu while tapping into the power of the planet vs a blade made several of the strongest weapons in the Terrarian's arsenal including weapons that could be among the weapons used against the pillars and can compete with solar melee weapons and the moon lord, as well as two weapons stronger than the ones used to kill the moon lord. The moon lord isn't stated to still be weaker than Cthulhu we have evidence pretty much every body part he lost came back (I don't think anything in the lore explains the missing legs).

 

[Super_Ascended_Sean_Pazdera]

An entire race who couldn't even kill Cthulhu while tapping into the power of the planet vs a blade made several of the strongest weapons in the Terrarian's arsenal including weapons that could be among the weapons used against the pillars and can compete with solar melee weapons and the moon lord, as well as two weapons stronger than the ones used to kill the moon lord. The moon lord isn't stated to still be weaker than Cthulhu we have evidence pretty much every body part he lost came back (I don't think anything in the lore explains the missing legs).

So is this agreeing with me...?

 

[Skarfz]

I agree with this, though i dont think the nebula stuff will be relevant here since everybody on endgame would scale, considering moon lord doesnt seem to be missing any of his limbs like the lore implies, he probably just healed it all.
Also, Should start calling some mods here

 

[Lou_change]

Shouldn't we scale to 60x whatever value the galaxy stuff is since the respective pillar can drop up to 60 fragments which presumably make up the pillar we fight in some way.

I kinda got ignored when I first brought that up

They drop up to hundred in expert and master mode. The most blatantly impressive feat they have of moving planets is possibly with 15. Plus for the pillars it is hard to say how much of that power is being directed towards summoning creatures, the forcefield, or sealing moon lord. Hell Nebula is the only pillar without a direct attack.

So is this agreeing with me...?

Honestly at this point I am not sure which side you want higher, but I am pretty sure it should be the zenith.

 

[ObberGobb]

To be honest, I don't think the Pillars should be actually used as a feat. It is a cosmetic background change that goes away when you move away from it. I'm still fully thinking we should just have endgame level characters scale to Universe level.

 

[Dalesean027]

To be honest, I don't think the Pillars should be actually used as a feat. It is a cosmetic background change that goes away when you move away from it. I'm still fully thinking we should just have endgame level characters scale to Universe level.

Pillars changing the background aren't being used in any of the arguments tho but they'd just be support if anything if they were

 

[StrymULTRA]

The tooltip for the Nebula Fragment states that it contains the power of a whole galaxy, pretty straightforward. These are used to craft armor and weapons. Should scale to end-game Terrarian, Celestial Towers, and Moon Lord. Now how is this not just some random one-off statement and actually impressive? Well first, the Celestial Towers pulling the planets close is easily a very casual feat, since it's done as a byproduct by their presence, and they still have the power to have a whole army to fight the Terrarian before being defeated.

Disagree with Galaxy.

"Power of the Galaxy" does not mean 3-C, because the tier is gotten through an omni-directional explosion that obliterates everything within the galaxy, and not the power of said galaxy itself.

Just like the "power of the Earth" is not 5-B, but just around High 6-A, same with the Sun.