Massive Terraria CRT

[ObberGobb]

I think its very consistent that "Terraria" refers to a universe, while the player's world is just one out of many worlds inside the Terraria universe. Basically seems like it is just using the word "world" to refer to planets within this universe.

 

[Lou_change]

Not uncommon for universe and world to be synonymous in this case, its in fact very common that lots of series do call it the world and universe,

The next sentence refers to "A land full of mystery and wonder, with much of its destiny left up to the wildest imaginations..." presumably a reference to the aforementioned world.

Yeah another instance 2 of which back to back which refer to it as the universe or at worst a structure containing numerous worlds.

I know I acknowledge them as such.

again in this case world doesn't have to explicitly refer to planet as many fiction switch using both synonymous as meaning the universe.

pretty much every use of the word world is referring to a planet, in fact the word planet isn't used once. Also every time the world is referred to as sentient should could given all planets are explicitly given that property and the universe is not.

 

[Dalesean027]

The next sentence refers to "A land full of mystery and wonder, with much of its destiny left up to the wildest imaginations..." presumably a reference to the aforementioned world.

yeah this is the "World of Terraria" which again is outright called a universe, the "Terraria Universe". They still then go on to say that its contained multiple worlds hence them saying "Each World of Terraria"

I know I acknowledge them as such.

yup I'm just counting every instance not like calling you out or anything

pretty much every use of the word world is referring to a planet, in fact the word planet isn't used once. Also every time the world is referred to as sentient should could given all planets are explicitly given that property and the universe is not.

What context are you reading this from they almost all are saying it as a structure larger than a planet or outright a universe? I don't get how many times we have to go over these exact same statements in the readings context?

again they do specify when they are talking about planets specifically if ya just use the context clues and read with context, the sentient world thing is right after they say "Each world of Terraria" in this case referring to planets specifically but it separate "Terraria" from the planets in the context of what they are saying in this instance clearly different from say the beginning again when they say the "World of Terraria" which given the other context again would be referring to a structure larger than numerous planets or as the next statement says the "terraria universe" outright.

I just mentioned each instance where universe and world are synonymous and the one (technically two instances) where they explicitly say "world" in reference to planets specifically.

I suppose at this stage its just best to get staff to review here
@Agnaa @DarkDragonMedeus @Elizio33 can we get a review of the OP and how you all feel about how the "world" is being used in the lore posted in this comment here and my review in the next comment after

Bolds and stuff in parentheses added by me this is a copy of the lore text otherwise. I would argue around three examples for each.

Welcome to the World of Terraria (This use is just to give use the proper name, but also it is called a world). A land full of mystery and wonder, with much of its destiny left up to the wildest imaginations... however, a few legends of old have made their way to our present time. Passed down by countless generations of the Order of the Guide, these few scraps of information will serve to help you navigate your journey and overcome threats lurking in the shadows. This knowledge is now passed on to you, the brave adventurer, with the hope that it will aid you in your quest to save our world...

In the beginning, the Gods established a balance to guarantee fairness for all living creatures. This balance was to be of paramount importance, with no cost too great in seeking its fulfillment. Eons have passed since the Gods first began testing the complexities of life in their fairness experiment. In this process, countless living worlds were created and now exist within the Terraria universe (This use refers to the universe). Each world of Terraria is a sentient being that knows all that goes on and can feel the thoughts of all living creatures: with their sole purpose being to ensure that the desired balance is maintained – often violently so (This use is defined referring to the universe). The worlds utilize many defense mechanisms to ensure the balance is upheld at all costs – some of them are known as the Hallow, Corruption, and Crimson.

The Crimson​

The Crimson is a single emergent living being connected directly to each world, sharing a hive mind, and solely focused on restoring balance at all costs. Thousands of worlds before the one on which you stand now have been absorbed by this being. Many misguided people have made the horrific mistake of raising the Crimson to the level of a deity – conducting human sacrifices to it to placate the monstrosity or seek its favor. The Crimson gladly consumes these bodies, becoming one with them and producing terrifying beings, who lose the ability to feel and blindly follow the hive mind.

The Corruption​

The Corruption is a cancer caused by the sins of those living in the worlds of Terraria (This use refers to the universe). The vile actions and thoughts present in all beings feed the growth of the Corruption as it spreads relentlessly across each world. The Corruption knows nothing else but to consume everything it touches, leaving behind terrible creatures of hate that exist for the sole reason to cause pain in punishment for the unearned pleasure experienced by living things. After the Corruption restores balance to life, it destroys it with the goal of turning the world into a desolate abyss void of life.

The Hallow​

The Hallow, on the other hand, is of an entirely different nature. Within each world is a Guardian who serves as the worlds master and core. Once this creature is destroyed the world will release the Ancient Spirits of Light and Dark to expedite the process of finding a new Guardian. It is here when the Hallow is created and functions as an overcompensation of purity, taken to the absolute extreme. The Hallow cures threats that would attempt to violate the critical balance of life, killing anything in its path as though it were treating an infection – whether friend, foe, or neutral party. Ultimately, the Hallow serves to push back against the never-ceasing encroachment of control.

Your World​

It is against the backdrop of this precious balance of life, desolation and pain that the great battles of legend and the adventures of our time take place. In the blind spot of the universe, there exists a planet of unprecedented potential: your world!

Your story begins with Cthulhu – a creature of immeasurable power and unknown origin – who arrived long ago with its seemingly sole purpose being to rain destruction on and to have dominion over all the sentient life that flourishes on your world.

None could stand against the advances of Cthulhu. The very fabric of Terraria itself seemed on the precipice of doom (The universe and the world both work here). At last, when all hope seemed lost, the ancient race of Dryads arose to wage battle against Cthulhu. The Dryads, with their unparalleled connection to the planet, were Terraria's truly last hope as they joined together to save all life from annihilation (The universe and the world both work here).

The Dryads were alas unable to kill Cthulhu. However, with the Dryads combined power they were able to cripple Cthulhu's ability to wreak further damage on Terraria by ripping out Cthulhu's eyes, part of its skeleton, and chunks of its brain (On the universe technically works but at the moment he was only trying to destroy the world and on the world likely makes more sense). Ultimately this substantial damage forced Cthulhu to retreat to the dark side of the moon, where it dwells to this day, gathering strength for another attempt at total conquest. As for the Dryads, sadly, all but a single member perished... and the sole survivor has not been seen for many, many years.

Lunatic Cult​

Much time has passed since the Great War of Cthulhu. However, rumors tell of a Lunatic Cult led by a fanatical zealot that is methodically seeking to revive Cthulhu to its former power and bring about the end of the world. As a part of these efforts, a renowned genius – known simply as the Mechanic – has been kidnapped and forced to rebuild the parts needed to make Cthulhu whole once again. Hushed whispers tell of the results of these experiments: horrible mechanical simulacrums of Cthulhu's organs. The Mechanic has nearly completed her work, only needing to finish the Mechanical brain to restore Cthulhu to its full destructive power.

Passing travelers hear construction and screams emanating from the Dungeon – an evil, demonic fortress of the dead in which the Mechanic is supposedly held prisoner as she conducts her work.

Many across Terraria have fallen under the possession of the cult, including the benevolent Old Man who oversees the Dungeon, a once thriving city full of life until a curse forced all its inhabitants to go mad – living beyond the point where their bodies rotted away and they became mindless undead servants of evil (I don't think they have space travel they had to kidnap a mechanic this is probably referring to the world). Without some intervention, some force to stem this tide, some hero to save the day, Terraria's doom is nigh at hand (the cult is only explicitly trying to destroy the world not the universe but either works)!

This brings us to our adventure. It begins with you – in humble beginnings and shown your path by the faithful and mysterious Guide. As this world's champion, you will experience communications from the world to help protect your mission. The world has brought you to this specific location at this specific time – will you stand up and fight for Terraria against the growing shadows of impending doom (The world brought you here but it could still be either the universe or the world)?

 

[Lou_change]

What context are you reading this from they almost all are saying it as a structure larger than a planet or outright a universe? I don't get how many times we have to go over these exact same statements in the readings context?

Terraria or World? We are told pretty early on that worlds exist in the terraria universe. It ascribes several properties to worlds such as sentience and the ability to enforce "the balance", and one section is literally called "Your World".In which it doesn't make sense for it to be referring to the universe opposed to the planet. I also just realize they do say planet twice in the "Your World" section.

 

[Napoleondevious]

Why am i not in the agree for galaxy section i said i agree, or do i need to say more things ?

 

[MaybeWantsToEdit]

Why am i not in the agree for galaxy section i said i agree, or do i need to say more things ?

Sorry. I added you there

 

[OrangeFR]

@MaybeWantsToEdit Could you kindly add the Lunar Hook item description to the OP cuz I think it’s a lifting strength upgrade. I put the link to it on the Terarria wiki in an earlier reply and stated the item description in it as well.

 

[MaybeWantsToEdit]

I'm iffy on the lunar hook. Because the tooltip is a reference to Its a Wonderful Life but with hook replacing lasso (and the dialogue wasn't meant to be taken literally in the film). Suggesting it's just named that. And there's tons of tooltips just making references that aren't meant to be further looked on

 

[Deidalius]

I agree with the galaxy and universal scaling. I agree with everything in the CRT. It fits the standards of this wiki.

 

[OrangeFR]

I'm iffy on the lunar hook. Because the tooltip is a reference to Its a Wonderful Life but with hook replacing lasso (and the dialogue wasn't meant to be taken literally in the film). Suggesting it's just named that. And there's tons of tooltips just making references that aren't meant to be further looked on

Ok

 

[Pyro9278]

I'm in favor of having at least Galaxy Level and even 2-C. The game seems to imply a distinction between a "Planet" and a "Universe."

 

[Zurawi]

I'm iffy on the lunar hook. Because the tooltip is a reference to Its a Wonderful Life but with hook replacing lasso (and the dialogue wasn't meant to be taken literally in the film). Suggesting it's just named that. And there's tons of tooltips just making references that aren't meant to be further looked on

I was just thinking about using spider webs in lifting strenght (Terrarian can untangle themselves from webs of giant spiders in short time)

 

[MaybeWantsToEdit]

I was just thinking about using spider webs in lifting strenght (Terrarian can untangle themselves from webs of giant spiders in short time)

I think that could actually be pretty impressive LS akin to pulling off chains. Will have to be calced though and accepted. If nobody does it then I'll try to calc it

Edit: Calced it. Posted it to calc evaluation thread. It's my first tearing-related LS calc I've done, so I just based it off of this. Hoping it gets accepted.

Also should I add a reaction buff to the CRT, and have them be buffed to Hypersonic since they can react to the Meteor Staff's ablazened meteors which by the wiki's standards are assumed to be 3000 m/s? Sort of blatant to me. Meteor coming from a fixed tile height is just game mechanics since the game doesn't want to render them from the top of the world where sky islands are.

 

[YmTheSuper]

Also should I add a reaction buff to the CRT, and have them be buffed to Hypersonic since they can react to the Meteor Staff's ablazened meteors which by the wiki's standards are assumed to be 3000 m/s? Sort of blatant to me. Meteor coming from a fixed tile height is just game mechanics since the game doesn't want to render them from the top of the world where sky islands are.

Makes sense. I assume this would be for the Post-WOF key.

 

[Dalesean027]

Also should I add a reaction buff to the CRT, and have them be buffed to Hypersonic since they can react to the Meteor Staff's ablazened meteors which by the wiki's standards are assumed to be 3000 m/s? Sort of blatant to me. Meteor coming from a fixed tile height is just game mechanics since the game doesn't want to render them from the top of the world where sky islands are.

nah you'd need an actual calc done and a clip of someone dodging or moving in tandem with it also if we're assuming

 

[MaybeWantsToEdit]

nah you'd need an actual calc done and a clip of someone dodging or moving in tandem with it also if we're assuming

I see. I'm fine with that then. I've already done a calc already and I don't feel like doing another one for this CRT (plus reactions are already hypersonic+ on the profile just not for early-game)

 

[Dalesean027]

I see. I'm fine with that then.

yeah the speed itself though is of course fine for the meteor unless we know for a fact they are coming to space and then we'd have to use 11km/s instead but yeah you can do a calc with it or get footage of someone moving in tandem and we can calc their speed

 

[Lou_change]

I have a question about the fragment thing. We never are shown a single fragment doing anything it's always something consisting of multiple fragments would we scale it to the sum of the fragments or just one fragment.

 

[Dalesean027]

I have a question about the fragment thing. We never are shown a single fragment doing anything it's always something consisting of multiple fragments would we scale it to the sum of the fragments or just one fragment.

A single one imo just to be safe so we ain't having anyone try like scaling from having a full inventory stacked of 9999 in every slot to try some shit lol

 

[Lou_change]

I ask because the monoliths, they are made of 15 fragments and all they do is mess with the planets.

 

[MaybeWantsToEdit]

The Fragments have that power, but it has to be harnessed. Also even if you multiply baseline value for Galaxy by 18 (amount of Fragments to make the weapons) the tier is still Galaxy, so yeah. Just Galaxy level even if you base it on how much is used.

 

[Dalesean027]

The Fragments have that power, but it has to be harnessed. Also even if you multiply baseline value for Galaxy by 18 (amount of Fragments to make the weapons) the tier is still Galaxy, so yeah. Just Galaxy level even if you base it on how much is used.

again though the amount of power a galaxy actually produces per second is just 5-A ~ 5-A+ well not taking into account the black hole at their center so it'd moreso be that

The 15 fragments should be fine though

 

[MaybeWantsToEdit]

again though the amount of power a galaxy actually produces per second is just 5-A ~ 5-A+ well not taking into account the black hole at their center so it'd moreso be that

We have no clue what parts of a galaxy's energy its based on, though. The accumulated KE? The lumens? The heat? The gravitation of each celestial object? It could be the source of every single source of motion in the galaxy like earthquakes and storms. It's sheer vagueness makes me feel like It's just meant to be vaguely on the level of doing stuff to galaxies. Though if that isn't accepted then a calc would have to be done with every source of energy from a galaxy and just combine them ig

 

[Super_Ascended_Sean_Pazdera]

Holy shit a Terraria CRT! I agree with everything and more. In fact the Zenith should scale that high too.

 

[Dalesean027]

We have no clue what parts of a galaxy's energy its based on, though. The accumulated KE? The lumens? The heat? The gravitation of each celestial object? It could be the source of every single source of motion in the galaxy like earthquakes and storms. It's sheer vagueness makes me feel like It's just meant to be vaguely on the level of doing stuff to galaxies. Though if that isn't accepted then a calc would have to be done with every source of energy from a galaxy and just combine them ig

yeah that's valid I suppose its not specified exactly which specific part of a galaxies energy is being used

 

[Saqphire]

agree on all including the calc removal

 

[SeijiSetto]

We have no clue what parts of a galaxy's energy its based on, though. The accumulated KE? The lumens? The heat? The gravitation of each celestial object? It could be the source of every single source of motion in the galaxy like earthquakes and storms. It's sheer vagueness makes me feel like It's just meant to be vaguely on the level of doing stuff to galaxies. Though if that isn't accepted then a calc would have to be done with every source of energy from a galaxy and just combine them ig

it isn't clear at all
like dale said, the power output of a galaxy (referring to the luminosity of the stars within it) is like 5-A to 5-A+ depending on number
we can't confidently say anything else so i personally wouldn't put it any higher than that
3-C comes from the power to blow up an entire galaxy with an explosion strong enough that a star at its edge would be destroyed, nothing in the tooltip implies that

 

[Dalesean027]

You should probably seperate the votes between those who agree with low 2-C, those agree with the galaxy scaling and those who just disagree.

Personally you can put me for agree low 2-C however, funnily enough though the average galaxy has 100 million stars so so like 100 million * 3.83e26 W (suns per second output) = 9.154 Yottatons (5-A), but the milky way has 100 billion stars so like that'd be 3.83e+37 Joules or 5-A+

actually as well just to see as well, Stars usually have a velocity of 100kms and the Sun's weight is 1.989e30kg so even just trying KE let's see what that would be here

100 million * 1.989e30kg = 1.98900e38kg

0.5 * 1.98900e38 * 1000000^2 = 9.945e+49 Joules or 994.5 KiloFoe (Solar System level) at most so there is no way this would get galaxy even going by KE which would be the highball instead of just going by energy output. Regardless the statement is still valid for support

 

[Lou_change]

Wait, a million or a billion?

 

[Dalesean027]

Wait, a million or a billion?

the average galaxy is a 100 million, the milky way itself is 100 billion but the item just specifies "a galaxy" not our galaxy or the milky way so we'd go with 100 million

 

[Lou_change]

Oh, that makes sense.
I don't know if it's worth anything but the Solar pillar is said to represent solar flares. I think that would imply the pillars aren't equivalent to the entire energy content of a star given one pillar only represents a fraction of the sun's power. (That said they are magic pillars holding back a godlike being that could debatably destroy the universe so it might not really matter what they represent)

 

[MaybeWantsToEdit]

9.945e+49 Joules or 994.5 KiloFoe at most

That's for the KE of all the stars which travel independently of the galaxy itself.

Galaxies travel at 1.34 million mph (599033.6 m/s)

The weight of galaxies varies between 1000000000 solar masses and 30000000000000 solar masses.

(1000000000 + 30000000000000)/2 = 15000500000000 solar masses for the average galaxy (15 trillion). This is actually the same as the Milky Way's solar mass. 30001000000000000000000000000000000000000000 kg total.

1/2 * 30001000000000000000000000000000000000000000 * 599033.6^2 = 5.3827982e+54 joules, or 53827982295.614 foe. 53.8279822956 gigafoe. Much higher into Solar System level, but still SS. I'm fine with this being where people who scale to this get to, since I tried calcing with other sources and the result barely changes at all.

Edit: Hold on, that's the speed due to those being galaxies together. Speed is actually 300 km/s, or 300000 m/s

1/2 * 30001000000000000000000000000000000000000000 * 300000^2 = 1.350045e+54 joules. 13500450000 foe. 13.50045 gigafoe.

Though I feel like the result would actually drastically change with multiple fragments. Do we add that?

 

[Dalesean027]

That's for the KE of all the stars which travel independently of the galaxy itself.

Galaxies travel at 1.34 million mph (599033.6 m/s)

The weight of galaxies varies between 1000000000 solar masses and 30000000000000 solar masses.

(1000000000 + 30000000000000)/2 = 15000500000000 solar masses for the average galaxy (15 trillion). This is actually the same as the Milky Way's solar mass. 30001000000000000000000000000000000000000000 kg total.

1/2 * 30001000000000000000000000000000000000000000 * 599033.6^2 = 5.3827982e+54 joules, or 53827982295.614 foe. 53.8279822956 gigafoe. Much higher into Solar System level, but still SS. I'm fine with this being where people who scale to this get to, since I tried calcing with other sources and the result barely changes at all. Though I feel like the result would actually drastically change with multiple fragments. Do we add that?

well again here though we'd have to go with the 5-A value as SeijiSetto has said above

 

[MaybeWantsToEdit]

well again here though we'd have to go with the 5-A value as SeijiSetto has said above

Is the wiki's main standard assumption for things like this just assuming the luminosity? The item is a ball of energy and it comes from a pillar based on a giant cloud of gas in space. I think the profile should say something like "Large Planet level, likely/possibly up to Solar System level", since I don't think there's a discernable way to confirm what it's using.

 

[Dalesean027]

Is the wiki's main standard assumption for things like this just assuming the luminosity? The item is a ball of energy and it comes from a pillar based on a giant cloud of gas in space. I think the profile should say something like "Large Planet level, likely/possibly up to Solar System level", since I don't think there's a discernable way to confirm what it's using.

That doesn't make much sense when most seem to agree with the low 2-C scaling to begin with, the galaxy power thing will just be support for that

 

[MaybeWantsToEdit]

That doesn't make much sense when most seem to agree with the low 2-C scaling to begin with, the galaxy power thing will just be support for that

I'm pretty sure they meant that for Cthulhu specifically. Like I said in the CRT, that required an entire civilization of Dyrads to affect. And Moon Lord is severely weakened and mutilated, and Terrarian only ever defeats what would-be Uni+ Cthulhu in smaller chunks (mechanical bosses) to prevent him from going to his priginal power. And even then Terrarian didn't really fully do that since a mechanical brain was meant to be created as the final piece, but never ended up getting finished. I don't think Terrarian lore-wise is meant to fully scale, and since the galaxy tooltip is for the final tier of items, I think that's where they are intended to be up to that point.

 

[Lou_change]

I think there is an argument for Moon Lord being comparable to his old self. Moon Lord is compared to gods in power, gods should be comparable to the worlds they created, and the world is comparable to Cthulhu.

 

[Super_Ascended_Sean_Pazdera]

We should also have the Zenith be comparable to the Moon Lord's old self, as it should be far superior to the Dryad army that disemboweled him, which itself should vastly upscale from endgame (but pre-DD2) Dryad with both A.C.Ts.

 

[MaybeWantsToEdit]

Moon Lord is compared to gods in power, gods should be comparable to the worlds they created, and the world is comparable to Cthulhu.

Moon Lord is never stated to be comparable to the gods. They're only stated to be "immeasurable" in power when they were Cthulhu. As Moon Lord, they're not talked about nearly as powerful

We should also have the Zenith be comparable to the Moon Lord's old self, as it should be far superior to the Dryad army that disemboweled him, which itself should vastly upscale from endgame (but pre-DD2) Dryad with both A.C.Ts.

Why would the Zenith be comparable for those reasons? The Dyrads overpowered Cthulhu with AP. Its clear they don't as a whole are able to survive Cthulhu's attacks, even in-game. And I don't recall the Zenith ever being stated to upscale Dyrad civilization's power.

 

[Super_Ascended_Sean_Pazdera]

Why would the Zenith be comparable for those reasons? The Dyrads overpowered Cthulhu with AP. Its clear they don't as a whole are able to survive Cthulhu's attacks, even in-game. And I don't recall the Zenith ever being stated to upscale Dyrad civilization's power.

It's a scaling chain. In fact the endgame Dryad can tank Moon Lord's hits.