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Massive Terraria CRT

Zenith should just be Uni+ because it scales to Moon Lord (shreds him). Anyway yeah Large Planet rating kinda useless for scaling besides possible Mechdusa profile and maybe Lunatic Cultist
 
MaybeWantsToEdit said:
Why would Zenith scale far higher. It's just powerful enough to deal considerable damage to ML relatively quickly compared to other things.
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I'm gonna make it real simple for you.



The Meowmere, a sword that literally drops from the Moon Lord himself, can kill the Moon Lord in minutes.

The Zenith, the sword made of the Meowmere, and a sword that equals it being but 2 of the 9 components, the sword literally described as "Infinity +1" compared to everything else, can kill the Moon Lord in seconds.
 
Super_Ascended_Sean_Pazdera said:
I'm gonna make it real simple for you.



The Meowmere, a sword that literally drops from the Moon Lord himself, can kill the Moon Lord in minutes.

The Zenith, the sword made of the Meowmere, and a sword that equals it being but 2 of the 9 components, the sword literally described as "Infinity +1" compared to everything else, can kill the Moon Lord in seconds.
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Shredding the Moon Lord in a minute still doesn't constitute for far higher because its still withstanding hundreds of strikes from it even if it is "infinity +1"
 
Super_Ascended_Sean_Pazdera said:
I'm gonna make it real simple for you.



The Meowmere, a sword that literally drops from the Moon Lord himself, can kill the Moon Lord in minutes.

The Zenith, the sword made of the Meowmere, and a sword that equals it being but 2 of the 9 components, the sword literally described as "Infinity +1" compared to everything else, can kill the Moon Lord in seconds.
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The wiki's Trivia section: "The term 'Infinity +1 Sword' is a term that is used in games for a weapon that is the strongest in the game. It usually is not obtained by playing through the game, and requires time and patience and can defeat anything with ease."

I think a "Higher (Far stronger than before)"-type thing can be used for the Zenith but I'm pretty sure "Far higher" is for stuff that is like a higher tier or two
 
Dalesean027 said:
Shredding the Moon Lord in a minute still doesn't constitute for far higher because its still withstanding hundreds of strikes from it even if it is "infinity +1"
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You have yet to agree with me on a point I ever make. Pretty sure all bosses in the game withstand hundreds of strikes from the prominent weapons of the time- hell, look at the Summoner class. We still have the Terrarian scale to the bosses.

That reminds me, we should scale the Holy Hand Grenade.
 
MaybeWantsToEdit said:
The wiki's Trivia section: "The term 'Infinity +1 Sword' is a term that is used in games for a weapon that is the strongest in the game. It usually is not obtained by playing through the game, and requires time and patience and can defeat anything with ease."

I think a "Higher (Far stronger than before)"-type thing can be used for the Zenith but I'm pretty sure "Far higher" is for stuff that is like a higher tier or two
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Yeah, but in this scenario it's not a fan term for the Zenith.

We use far higher for a lot of things that represent significant jumps in my experience, like Super Saiyan forms on our Dragon Ball pages.
 
Super_Ascended_Sean_Pazdera said:
You have yet to agree with me on a point I ever make. Pretty sure all bosses in the game withstand hundreds of strikes from the prominent weapons of the time- hell, look at the Summoner class. We still have the Terrarian scale to the bosses.

That reminds me, we should scale the Holy Hand Grenade.
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Not sure why that first part is relevant at all to the point being made? You can scale to someone even if you beat them over hundreds of hits, thats just their endurance at that point which is just how much punishment its going to take to put them down even with you doing consistent damage.

also missing the point, them surviving hundreds of blows means far higher wouldn't work in any capacity thats it, they're just relative. Idk why you're talking about anything else or bringing up the summoner?
 
Dalesean027 said:
Not sure why that first part is relevant at all to the point being made? You can scale to someone even if you beat them over hundreds of hits, thats just their endurance at that point which is just how much punishment its going to take to put them down even with you doing consistent damage.

also missing the point, them surviving hundreds of blows means far higher wouldn't work in any capacity thats it, they're just relative. Idk why you're talking about anything else or bringing up the summoner?
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Damn I can't believe the Zenith is Building level since the Eye of Cthulhu can tank like 10 hits from the Zenith smh
 
To be fair Zenith represents the single strongest weapon in the terrarian's arsenal and given the name represents the pinnacle of their power. It basically asking if peak terrarian scales.
 
Lou_change said:
To be fair Zenith represents the single strongest weapon in the terrarian's arsenal and given the name represents the pinnacle of their power. It basically asking if peak terrarian scales.
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It would have scaled regardless as endgame terrarian woukd be low 2-C anyways I'm genuinely not getting the need to seperate it especially when its not enough to denote a "far higher" rating by wiki standards, it simply just scales.

At the very most if ya want it bad enough you could say maybe "likely higher" or At least low 2-C but still like not THAT big a gap
 
A higher with post moon lord stuff rating seems reasonable given it is stronger than what was used to kill the moon lord.
 
We already do have "Post-Lunatic" and "Post-Moon Lord" as separate keys, so both would Low 2-C, just the second one being ever so slightly higher into Low 2-C
 
I would like to suggest the following for scaling.
Definitively scale: Moon Lord/Cthulhu/Your World*/The Terrarian/Celestial Pillars*

*Your World: Given that it is implied that the reason the dryad race was able to fight cthulu was their connection to the planet. They are also likely either the physical embodiment of the universe's or your world's will assuming they share an origin with the current dryad.

*Celestial Pillars: The Terrarian can only really upgrade from post golem gear by killing one and the monsters they summon and that is only offensively until after moon lord.

Should probably scale: The Torch god and Empress of Light*

*The Torch god and Empress of light: the terms deity, god, goddess, gods and others are used rather sparingly in terraria. Uses include the godly modifier and the golfer referring to your skill if you get 2000 or more points. In the lore however it shows up when mentioning that gods created the worlds, thd torch god and empress of light are a god and goddess respectively and in the Moon Lord's bestiary "Practically a god, his power knows no limits." This suggests his power is either equal to the gods or nearly equal and that gods are of a similar degree of power. The Torch God was willing to give their blessing to the terrarian for surviving the onslaught so they could be holding back. Empress of Light is absurdly power in daylight and honestly despite being post plantra is usually fought with post golem gear.

Likely scale: Terra blade*, Duke Fishron*, Martians*, Betsy*, Lunatic Cultist*, Frost and Pumpkin Moon bosses*

Terra Blade: The primary reason everyone else in this category is here and yes we have a profile for it. The weapon is post plantra, one of the best weapons in the game, and likely to help all the way past moon lord.
Duke Fishron: The only boss not directly referred to as a god or god like to have a five star rating in the bestiary. There is also the fact he is generally considered a post golem boss despite technically being available at the beginning of hardmode.

Lunatic cultist: I think he scales to a near pillar level terrarian, but you don't get to argue he scales to the weapons made from pillars.

Martians and Betsy: Post golem and terra blade.

Frost and pumpkin moon bosses: generally it seems these events are considered a post golem level challenge despite being possible pre-golem and the only attack any of the bosses have that does less than then golem's strongest attack is the contact damage of pumpking's main body.

Possibly scale: Golem* and Plantra*

Golem: You can get the terra blade pre golem however it creates the problem of melee armor being the same as plantra. Also it is the boss inside the area you get the item to summon the event that lets you get the last ingredient for the terra blade (Solar tablets for solar eclipses to get the broken hero's sword), and is in the same underground biome were you fight plantra. Lastly the lore of the martians invading from the Martian Probe, "Sensing growing power on the planet, otherworldly beings send space-age technology to scan for advanced lifeforms." The probes only show up after beating golem and only react to the Terrarian so it probably isn't the ritual the cult is doing but a power jump after beating golem.

Plantra: If golem gets to scale then we must acknowledge the fact between fighting plantra and golem there is no way to get better armor if terrarian is using a melee class and has the same defensive capabilities for both fights.

Technically scale: The weird category of enemies were they can under certain circumstances one shot a peak terrarian. This consists of an enraged skeletron, enraged skeletron prime, dungeon guardian, and wall of flesh

Skulls: All three one shot a peak terrarian outside unless they use a niche setup and only take chip damage from their attacks.

Wall of Flesh: this one is technically not an attack that does damage but if it reaches the end of hell the players will be licked and die which I don't think suggests death manipulation. I guess it scales by eating the players or maybe the tounge ignores durability since it acts as a damaging status effect.

Should probably not scale even with potential arguments: Any Hallow (Except EoL), Crimson, or Corruption stuff*, Eye of Cthulhu*, Skeletron (not enraged), The mechanical bosses (except enraged skeletron prime), Wall of Flesh (Outside of eating you)*

Hallow, Crimson, and corruption: Yes Corruption, Crimson, and hallow are meant to serve as the world's means of enforcing the balance they are implied to be similar across worlds, use methods besides physical force, and your world has unprecedented potential and none of these were of any help dealing with Cthulhu.

Eye of Cthulhu and Skeletron: Why would cthulhu's eye or skull have become infinitely weaker than when still part of him, they were presumably not supposed to have been separated for starts, much less how long it been.

Mechanical bosses: yes they we meant to replace body parts of moon lord, but they are not proven to be up for such a task.

Wall of Flesh: The World's core and master as it's guardian, it however doesn't have proof of scaling to your world.
 
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Wait is this trying to saying everyone scale to low 2-C? Its covering so many guys
 
Okay I have bolded the categories pretty much only the following is important the Definitely scales, Probably scales, technically scales, and Golem in possibly scales. Everything else is who shouldn't scale despite the fact you could try making an argument.
 
I don't see at all how half of these scale to the moon lord now when we didn't have them scaling before
 
don't use game progression levels like that
don't go "ok this is like post plantera but it's still really strong against ML so it scales to him"
 
Moon Lord also warps natural laws (for instance, his hatred alone created a curse that caused Dungeon to be invested by the undead)
What that ablibity would be called?
Curse manipulation? Reality warping of some sort?
 
Zurawi said:
Moon Lord also warps natural laws (for instance, his hatred alone created a curse that caused Dungeon to be invested by the undead)
What that ablibity would be called?
Curse manipulation? Reality warping of some sort?
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I think that would be Curse Manipulation. He should also probably have Low-Mid Regeneration, since he got back all the organs and body parts that Dryads destroyed.
 
SeijiSetto said:
don't use game progression levels like that
don't go "ok this is like post plantera but it's still really strong against ML so it scales to him"
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We literally have a terra blade profile that scales to lunatic cultist. It also has barely any competition besides post golem weapons that aren't even considered outright better. Also armor progression sort of just stops between post moon lord and beating golem (for melee) or plantra (for anyone else) besides the Eternia stuff. (The Eternia stuff is not even considered the best general armor for any class outside of mixing with other armor and I doubt the stuff from the crossover is meant to be a vital step towards beating the moon lord in the story especially as the moon lord was added to the game before the crossover.) Almost everyone considered post golem would be fighting a terrarian with the same durability as when they fight and take hits from the pillars and moon lord. Please also read the golem section
Lou_change said:
Golem: You can get the terra blade pre golem however it creates the problem of melee armor being the same as plantra. Also it is the boss inside the area you get the item to summon the event that lets you get the last ingredient for the terra blade (Solar tablets for solar eclipses to get the broken hero's sword), and is in the same underground biome were you fight plantra. Lastly the lore of the martians invading from the Martian Probe, "Sensing growing power on the planet, otherworldly beings send space-age technology to scan for advanced lifeforms." The probes only show up after beating golem and only react to the Terrarian so it probably isn't the ritual the cult is doing but a power jump after beating golem.
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