Massive MCU revision Part 2

[Newendigo]

About the 8A tier, for one, should not his Dura be also amped to 8A when accelerating when he is able to survive that amount of force?

And for two (And Im gonna contradict myself), is not sort of unrealistic for Iron Man to jump from 8C to 8A by literally accelerating for 1m?

 

[KLOL506]

1. No, since Iron Man didn't come to a complete stop by crash-landing or getting stopped dead in his tracks or by tackling someone into the ground at that speed.

2. It's fiction and it's Marvel, Iron Man's suits can hit Mach 46 within mere seconds of accelerating AFAIK.

 

[DMUA]

He did take a few hits from the helicarrier's engine due to Steve getting stalled, so it should scale to dura.

 

[KLOL506]

I believe it should be calcable.

 

[Newendigo]

2. No, this is unrealistic even inside of its own fiction, Quicksilver could get stronger hits by accelerating because is attributed to his powers. Tony unexplainly jumped 3 tiers just by "accelerating 1m".

 

[KLOL506]

2. No, this is unrealistic even inside of its own fiction, Quicksilver could get stronger hits by accelerating because is attributed to his powers. Tony unexplainly jumped 3 tiers just by "accelerating 1m".

No, he accelerated for one whole minute, not accelerated 1 meter.

 

[Newendigo]

When I said "m" I mean "minute.

(Facepunch)

 

[KLOL506]

Oh.

Well you can ask Spino about it.

 

[Spinosaurus75DinosaurFan]

@Newendigo It's not inaccurate, I'll explain after school.

 

[KLOL506]

Bump?

 

[Antvasima]

What is left to do here?

 

[KLOL506]

Spino said he'd discuss why his calc of Iron Man pushing the helicarrier rotor is not inaccurate.

 

[Spinosaurus75DinosaurFan]

Damn I forgot. He accelerated to 762.6117306 m/s in roughly 50 seconds.

762.6117306/50 = 15.25 m/s^2

So 15.25 m/s in 1 second.

0.5*15.25^2*5421600 = just 630 430 425 Joules

So no, not inaccurate at all. In fact Iron Man would just be 9-A initially in the helicopter feat, but after accelerating for a minute he can get up to supersonic speeds.

 

[Antvasima]

Okay, and are any profiles currently scaled from this?

 

[Callsign_Castle]

My only opinion on the MCU is that Quicksilver's calculation should be modified. It accounts for only the hand and forearm when he winds up and puts his entire arm into the punch, from the shoulder down.

 

[KLOL506]

I agree with Callsign Castle.

In that case...

The human arm is 5.3% of the entire body mass.

Aaron-Taylor Johnson weighs in at 80 kg.

80*0.053= 4.24 kg

Using the values from spino's calc, I simply replace mass of hand+forearm with the mass of the entire arm.

(4.24*12.51)108.862+12.51)= 0.43702336618000856869788748640543

With the time dilation of 36,657.28x in Spino's calc, we get a speed of 16,020.08790060310450515769699766 m/s.

0.5*108.862*16020.08790060310450515769699766^2= 1.3969346908768553699319039473294e+10 joules (High 8-C)

 

[Newendigo]

I didn't said it was inacurated, I said that I found unrealistic for him jump 3 tiers by just moving without having any aabilitie that allows him to increase his strength throught that method.

I also first asked if it should scale to his Dura.

 

[Gemmysaur]

Without his blue swirly aura thing, he got held down by falling some 10? feet and Hawkeye stepping on his thigh. He didn't seem all that hurt, but why he didn't run off before Hawkeye can even move a finger is beyond me.

Just saying.

 

[Therefir]

I have a question, wasn't there a Mark suit that could generate 10 gigawatts? Iron Man should be High 8-C if that were the case.

 

[Revan_Laha]

Actually I did a few changes to Quicksilver https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/Quicksilver_(Marvel_Cinematic_Universe)#Powers_and_Stats

 

[Revan_Laha]

To quote from Comicvine "Ultron and his sentries would most likely be made of Titanium, since it is the most commonly used metal in the world. The only difference between Ultron and his sentries is thicker and stronger metal with less weaknesses. The Ultron sentries did not look too durable, so they would most likely be made of Commerically Pure Grade - 1 or Grade - 2 Titanium.

Grade - 1 Ultimate Tensile Strength: 241 Mpa = 34,954 PSI

Grade - 2 Ultimate Tensile Strength: 345 Mpa = 50,038 PSI

Quicksilver would have to generate a minimum of 17.5 short tons per square inch to a maximum of 25 short tons per square inch to destroy the sentries.

Joss Whedon has said Pietro is as fast as a bullet. Pietro's average speed should be around Mach 1 - Mach 2. With this speed, we can calculate how much force he can put behind a punch. The actor who plays QS is 82 kg. The world's fastest man, Usain Bolt, ran up to 28 mph. The world's fastest punch went a little over 19 m/s or 43 mph. Humans can punch faster than we can run.

Mach 2 = 1,535 Mph = 2,470 kmh

1,535/28 = 55 times faster than Usain Bolt

43 * 55 = 2,365 Mph = 3,806 Kmh punching speed

82 * 3,806 = 312,092 Newtons = 31.82 tons

Quicksilver would punch with almost 32 tons of force per square inch of his fist when going for the kill."

 

[Revan_Laha]

To quote from Comicvine "Ultron and his sentries would most likely be made of Titanium, since it is the most commonly used metal in the world. The only difference between Ultron and his sentries is thicker and stronger metal with less weaknesses. The Ultron sentries did not look too durable, so they would most likely be made of Commerically Pure Grade - 1 or Grade - 2 Titanium.

Grade - 1 Ultimate Tensile Strength: 241 Mpa = 34,954 PSI

Grade - 2 Ultimate Tensile Strength: 345 Mpa = 50,038 PSI

Quicksilver would have to generate a minimum of 17.5 short tons per square inch to a maximum of 25 short tons per square inch to destroy the sentries.

Joss Whedon has said Pietro is as fast as a bullet. Pietro's average speed should be around Mach 1 - Mach 2. With this speed, we can calculate how much force he can put behind a punch. The actor who plays QS is 82 kg. The world's fastest man, Usain Bolt, ran up to 28 mph. The world's fastest punch went a little over 19 m/s or 43 mph. Humans can punch faster than we can run.

Mach 2 = 1,535 Mph = 2,470 kmh

1,535/28 = 55 times faster than Usain Bolt

43 * 55 = 2,365 Mph = 3,806 Kmh punching speed

82 * 3,806 = 312,092 Newtons = 31.82 tons

Quicksilver would punch with almost 32 tons of force per square inch of his fist when going for the kill."

 

[The_Impress]

Um, to whoever changed the Quicksilver page, text walls shouldn't be pasted as a justification on the page itself, and the regen type should be specified.

Also, making Thor stumble is an outlier. Star Lord isn't High 6-B for hurting Thanos.

And the entire scene description isn't needed as an example.

Also, I feel a separate CRT needed to be made for these changes.

 

[Revan_Laha]

Ok. I'll do

 

[Revan_Laha]

Done https://vsbattles.com/vsbattles/2918870?useskin=oasis

 

[Revan_Laha]

Um, to whoever changed the Quicksilver page, text walls shouldn't be pasted as a justification on the page itself, and the regen type should be specified.
Also, making Thor stumble is an outlier. Star Lord isn't High 6-B for hurting Thanos.

And the entire scene description isn't needed as an example.

Also, I feel a separate CRT needed to be made for these changes.

Done

 

[Qawsedf234]

I have a question, wasn't there a Mark suit that could generate 10 gigawatts? Iron Man should be High 8-C if that were the case.

That was the Mark VI suit and beyond. It was stated in the Iron Man Manual

> Also, making Thor stumble is an outlier. Star Lord isn't High 6-B for hurting Thanos

I wouldn't call it an outlier, just not something notable enough to scale from. Staggering someone just means that you can move their body with your punches, not hurt them.

 

[KLOL506]

I have a question, wasn't there a Mark suit that could generate 10 gigawatts? Iron Man should be High 8-C if that were the case.

That was the Mark VI suit and beyond. It was stated in the Iron Man Manual

Even I find the fact that Suits from Mk. VI and beyond to be simply limited to 8-C+ to be fishy, since they're objectively superior to the 8 gigawatt suit.

 

[Revan_Laha]

Can anyone take a look at my Quicksilver revision thread?

 

[Gemmysaur]

Can Iron Man generate X gigawatts in one go, like say, unleashing it all into a single attack, or is it like a self-charging battery and X gigawatts is its capacity?

 

[Qawsedf234]

I know the Mark II-V used a lot more power since the 3 gigajoule reactor could barely power the models.

 

[KLOL506]

What Qawsedf said. Without the required power of the Arc Reactor, you wouldn't even get the suit to fly properly and would lose power every step of the way. Not a good thing if you're doing high-altitude flights and drop on power.

 

[KLOL506]

Also, Tony's suit from Mk. 4 and later can turn his urine into drinking water. Probably limited Self-Sustenance Type 2.

 

[Revan_Laha]

Can we get Aaron Taylor Johnson's lateral surface area?

 

[Gemmysaur]

I dunno. It's said that the reactor is self-sustaining in that it charges itself. His sustained flight can be explained as him charging more than he uses.

That said, Mk.7 died out on him as he fell from the wormhole, and that's after quite a bit of constant flight and combat + flying towards, doing a 180, chasing a nuke, and flying it through the portal.

 

[Revan_Laha]

Aaron Taylor Johnson weighs 80 kg

 

[KLOL506]

Oh.

 

[Revan_Laha]

I agree with Callsign Castle.

In that case...

The human arm is 5.3% of the entire body mass.

Aaron-Taylor Johnson weighs in at 70 kg.

70*0.053= 3.71 kg

Using the values from spino's calc, I simply replace mass of hand+forearm with the mass of the entire arm.

(3.71*12.51)108.862+12.51)= 0.38239544540750749761065155060475

With the time dilation of 36,657.28x in Spino's calc, we get a speed of 14,017.576913027716442012984872953 m/s.

0.5*108.862*14017.576913027716442012984872953^2= 1.0695281227025923926041139596741e+10 joules (High 8-C)

Change it to 80 kg. Coz thats how much Aaron weighs

 

[KLOL506]

Changed.

 

[Revan_Laha]

In that case...

The human arm is 5.3% of the entire body mass.

Aaron-Taylor Johnson weighs in at 80 kg. 80*0.053= 4.24 kg.

Using the values from spino's calc, I simply replace mass of hand+forearm with the mass of the entire arm.

(4.24*12.51)108.862+12.51)=0.437023366

With the time dilation of 36,657.28x in Spino's calc, we get a speed of 16,020.0879 m/s.

KE=13969400000 J or 3.3 tons of TNT. High 8-C