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Mash Completely outspeed this Attack, We can Calculate those feats if we need it.
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Fair warning though that, like I said, there's already anti-feats/contradictions with Mash being supersonic in this very same fight, a Transonic character was moving explicitly faster than him.
Even if this gets calculated at supersonic or higher, it might just end up being an outlier anyways.
It is absolutely true that Finn is weaker and slower than Mash, but in the series, the author tend to have people like him be the one to explain things to we the audience when other stronger characters couldn’t see what happen.Even then we'd be relying on a character statement from a character that's weaker and slower than them. This same character contradicts this statement in Chapter 61 when they explicitly stated that Mash is not as fast as sound, or not fast enough to catch someone who moves at the speed of sound, on top of two other, stronger characters agreeing with him. So it's safe to say we can't rely on their statements, at least in this particular fight.
Vinn said if Mash Must be move Faster than speed Of sound for evading those Sound Surround Orchestra too.It is absolutely true that Finn is weaker and slower than Mash, but in the series, the author tend to have people like him be the one to explain things to we the audience when other stronger characters couldn’t see what happen.
It's wrong. The fact that this is hypersonic is already complete absurdity.
I know, that's typically how a lot of stories work. Which is why, as I pointed out, Finn contradicted himself later on, with both Dot and Lance agreeing with him. That combined with what we actually see in Mash being unable to tag a transonic Macaron, it's quite obvious which speed rating is more consistent.It is absolutely true that Finn is weaker and slower than Mash, but in the series, the author tend to have people like him be the one to explain things to we the audience when other stronger characters couldn’t see what happen.
I know I'm the one who originally suggested it, but rereading the fight, I really think it's an outlier if it's a legit supersonic feat.
Its not, aim dodging, he didn't expect That Dot attack him its clear how we saw him shoked when Dot Said Explomm on the panel. Its Similiar to Deidara Bomb if he said " kats" Then Bomb would Exploded.It's an aim dodging more than anything.
Not expecting doesn't mean being incapable of aim dodging. Being shocked doesn't mean he didn't aim dodge either.Its not, aim dodging, he didn't expect That Dot attack him its clear how we saw him shoked when Dot Said Explomm on the panel. Its Similiar to Deidara Bomb if he said " kats" Then Bomb would Exploded.
I didn't ignore it, I have the scan in the last comment, I just didn't include the next page that showed the explosion, only the page where the same explomb is shown as a PROJECTILE.You ignored the Feats on Silva Case he couldn't even Dodge the Bigger Explom, why? Cuz He didn't do aim dodging on the same place same Distance even he on the midle of the Explosions mean he didn't even try to evading those Explosions
There is no "argument" about Macaron only being speed of sound. Macaron is speed of sound with Metamorphosis. I repeat, Macaron is explicitly stated to be moving at the speed of sound, literally. He travels via NOISE. Read Chapter 60 of Mashle: Magic and Muscles in case anyone is confused.The argument that Macaron is only Speed of sound sounds ridiculous. We even have an mftl+ character even though the punch is only stated to be Speed of light.
No, He scales to Mash who can move faster Than Speed Of Sound, Even though Macaron is stated to move with the speed of sound Literally, Mash has already exceeded the speed of the real sound.Macaron is speed of sound with Metamorphosis. I repeat, Macaron is explicitly stated to be moving at the speed of sound, literally. He travels via NOISE.
So you're implying that I'm not reading that chapter already?Read Chapter 60 of Mashle: Magic and Muscles
Are you trying to say that Macaron's does not travel at the speed of sound?Are you saying that Macaron's sound is faster than sound?
Macaron is transonic. He moves via noise/sound.No, He scales to Mash who can move faster Than Speed Of Sound, Even though Macaron is stated to move with the speed of sound Literally, Mash has already exceeded the speed of the real sound.
Based on your comments, it's giving me doubts that you did.So you're implying that I'm not reading that chapter already?
Are you doing this on purpose? How on earth did you even reach that conclusion?Are you trying to say that Macaron's does not travel at the speed of sound?
There is no "argument" about Macaron only being speed of sound. Macaron is speed of sound with Metamorphosis. I repeat, Macaron is explicitly stated to be moving at the speed of sound, literally. He travels via NOISE. Read Chapter 60 of Mashle: Magic and Muscles in case anyone is confused.
You have no evidences supporting any obtuse arguments that Macaron, who claims to be SOUND ITSELF, who is described to have MAGIC THAT ALLOWS HIM TO TRAVEL VIA NOISE, MEANING HE IS LITERALLY MOVING AT THE SPEED OF SOUND, is anything but.
he could've moved beforehand.
Now you accuse people who disagree with you wangking something?In any case, the things below contradicts any wank about erroneous supersonic/hypersonic claims, in case some people might have missed it or are ignoring it.
That's Means Macaron is Fast enough to Mash who can react to his sound.Finn CONTRADICTS his previous statement, saying Mash is not as fast as/not fast enough to catch Transonic Macaron. Dot and Lance AGREES with him.
Its because He makes Distance and afterimages/Mash FAILS to capture a Transonic Macaron MULTIPLE TIMES who easily tags him MULTIPLE TIMES.
Mean he reacted to the wave who move at different sound speed.He uses his insane reflexes to take advantage of the properties of sound, perceiving Macaron's attack BEFORE IT OCCURRED by sensing sound waves by the wall.
Can give tartar sauce to people who move at the speed of sound without that person knowing, impressive.He distracts Macaron and prevents them from casting magic by putting Tartar Sauce on their hand.
He's not just transonic.He blocks Macaron's main escape route by flipping the stage, so that Macaron can only move right or left. He then employs a feint to trick Macaron into moving to his desired direction. Even then, Mash BARELY catches Macaron and only really tags his clothes with his pinky finger by outstretching his arms as fast as possible, meaning Mash OBVIOUSLY isn't as fast as a transonic Macaron, if it wasn't explicit already throughout the chapters.
He should probably be Subsonic+ even if he's Subsonic casually. I don't entirely remember but there were times when Mash would face someone who would be as fast as him like that Eye dude in the Magnus elitist group, but Mash would use his MUSCLE MAGIC TM to deal and defeat them, so he can go faster.I agree. Mash would be Baseline Subsonic, most likely higher if we could calculate some of his faster than the eye can see feats he have
No, it's necessary because we keep on going in circles because you keep repeating the same debunked "arguments" and you don't really read my comments and try to understand them, or else why would you even ask me about something I didn't even say?You don't have to raise your letters like you a crazy attention
FFS did you even read my comment? You obviously didn't. You're clearly stonewalling at this point and that's not allowed in this forum.He Stated that Mash dug in the ground before the sound hit him.
I said supersonic/hypersonic claims are wank. Which is true, if you bothered to read my comment.Now you accuse people who disagree with you wangking something?
What are you even talking about?That's Means Macaron is Fast enough to Mash who can react to his sound.
Again, what are you even talking about?Its because He makes Distance and afterimages/
I highly suggest you please read the scans I posted for the love of god.Mean he reacted to the wave who move at different sound speed.
... I can't even.Can give tartar sauce to people who move at the speed of sound without that person knowing, impressive.
According to you. Unfortunately, the manga Mashle: Magic and Muscles tells otherwise.He's not just transonic.
It's Funny you said I didn't read your comment even though I do quote it, it just proves how rough you are at this game. whatever, that's enough for now. maybe next time there will be evidence to substantiate what I said.He should probably be Subsonic+ even if he's Subsonic casually. I don't entirely remember but there were times when Mash would face someone who would be as fast as him like that Eye dude in the Magnus elitist group, but Mash would use his MUSCLE MAGIC TM to deal and defeat them, so he can go faster.
He's below Transonic but not
No, it's necessary because we keep on going in circles because you keep repeating the same debunked "arguments" and you don't really read my comments and try to understand them, or else why would you even ask me about something I didn't even say?
You clearly need big letters to catch your attention.
FFS did you even read my comment? You obviously didn't. You're clearly stonewalling at this point and that's not allowed in this forum.
I said supersonic/hypersonic claims are wank. Which is true, if you bothered to read my comment.
What are you even talking about?
Again, what are you even talking about?
He doesn't "make distances". What the hell does that even mean?
Anything that's subsonic and above can create afterimages FYI. Afterimages is just an effect of Macaron being Transonic.
I highly suggest you please read the scans I posted for the love of god.
He used his reflexes, his sense of touch to feel the vibrations caused by the soundwaves travelling in the ground. That doesn't mean he's above the speed of sound, if that's what you're desperately and incorrectly trying to say, in fact it's the opposite. The scans makes that painfully clear.
... I can't even.
Alright, I'll tell you this significant peace of information that Macaron is not only shocked but was also stationary and wasn't moving at all, which is why Mash was able to do that. Furthermore, Macaron is only stated to travel at the speed of sound.
According to you. Unfortunately, the manga Mashle: Magic and Muscles tells otherwise.
When I said you didn't read my comment, I meant you weren't reading it completely and understanding it.It's Funny you said I didn't read your comment even though I do quote it, it just proves how rough you are at this game. whatever, that's enough for now. maybe next time there will be evidence to substantiate what I said.
bcz its contradictedThis is how things get super inflated here. People are using pure fanfiction even for stuff already outright stated in the manga.
Scarier than Time Stopping? I hoping it is something powerful like Existence Erasure, Curse Manipulation or Death ManipulationInnocent Zero's Magic is called Timez, he can stop time, so whatever ability he's using is probably some really good time hax ability that's scarier than time stop. Looking forward to what it is.
Yeah if it's something like bringing back the dead I'll be really disappointed unless he summons overpowered dead people. Since he calls it Timez: The Living Dead.Scarier than Time Stopping? I hoping it is something powerful like Existence Erasure, Curse Manipulation or Death Manipulation
Instinctive Reaction (The Healing Cane absorb all pain he take independently of his own will)... Is that really Instinctive Reactions?
Beats me. I got the idea from Gaara and his sand so...Instinctive Reaction (The Healing Cane absorb all pain he take independently of his own will)... Is that really Instinctive Reactions?
Well his not using instinct or muscle memory right? And he's not even really reacting to anything (going off of what it says)Beats me. I got the idea from Gaara and his sand so...