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MASHLE: Magic and Muscles Discussion Thread

LIFE_OF_KING said:
Zero stated that would destroy the whole planet

Zero states that he will live forever even when destroying the world

Mash defeats him with one punch

It is worth noting that Zero was extremely weakened by his injuries

Mash > Weakened Zero with Summons = 5-B durability > Weakened Zero

Base Zero with no injuries is above Mash

Base Zero with no injuries > Mash > Weakned Zero with Summons = 5-B durability > Weakned Zero
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5-B

But who knows. KE is broken as ****
 
...technically destroying the world statements isn't automatically 5-B fr fr

Though with how weird Dark Magic has been functioning into a brute force attack late in the series because the author realized it was too OP, that probably works in the favor of a 5-B rating I guess

It also isn't a casual feat
 
Metalballrun said:
...technically destroying the world statements isn't automatically 5-B fr fr

Though with how weird Dark Magic has been functioning into a brute force attack late in the series because the author realized it was too OP, that probably works in the favor of a 5-B rating I guess

It also isn't a casual feat
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That new feat might add justification. I mean the world itself is massive. I think it’s a super continent
 
Quangotjokes said:
Really? Where does he currently scale?
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In addition to the "destroy the world" statement that shouldn't count because EE but Darkness magic is nerfed by the author's power, it still has the multipliers of seconds, summons and thirds that increase the Ap of sorcerers that Mash scales.

Only the brothers' fights must have given a lot of multiplier and the Doom must have increased more, since every second, summons or thirds is a 10x multiplier. So 10x10x10 = 1000x
 
I'm torn between "Dark magic is EE therefore not AP applicable" and "Dark magic is AP applicable but the EE hax is nerfed/nonexistent by the end", which one lowballs IZ the most?

Mfw the author used up all his creative juices by the the IZ fight and only left a few drops for Mash.
 
Phsccarvalho said:
In addition to the "destroy the world" statement that shouldn't count because EE but Darkness magic is nerfed by the author's power, it still has the multipliers of seconds, summons and thirds that increase the Ap of sorcerers that Mash scales.

Only the brothers' fights must have given a lot of multiplier and the Doom must have increased more, since every second, summons or thirds is a 10x multiplier. So 10x10x10 = 1000x
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Actually is more of a 10×10 = 100x thing. Summons and secondth have the same multiplier of 10x, though if you're High 6-C summons just make you go up to 6-B, because Lévis.
 
Metalballrun said:
I'm torn between "Dark magic is EE therefore not AP applicable" and "Dark magic is AP applicable but the EE hax is nerfed/nonexistent by the end", which one lowballs IZ the most?

Mfw the author used up all his creative juices by the the IZ fight and only left a few drops for Mash.
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From a wiki point of view, we would probably have like EE because PIS. So I probably couldn't use Ap 5B.

But if someone can argue for it, might it work, except that IZ would probably lose its EE capability?

AnAverageUsername said:
Actually is more of a 10×10 = 100x thing. Summons and secondth have the same multiplier of 10x, though if you're High 6-C summons just make you go up to 6-B, because Lévis.
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Secondth = 10x
Summons = 10x
Thirds = 10x

1000x
 
Phsccarvalho said:
From a wiki point of view, we would probably have like EE because PIS. So I probably couldn't use Ap 5B.

But if someone can argue for it, might it work, except that IZ would probably lose its EE capability?


Secondth = 10x
Summons = 10x
Thirds = 10x

1000x
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No, Secondths and Summons have the same multiplier, Summons just take precedent. And we've never seen any character use all 3 at once, especially since Summons already gives basic spells the power of seconths, it would be redundant.
 
Why the Third spell still Happening when IZ already rewind time that it doesnt ever happen? Or Mash push IZ back to the future is real? I do bit confused.
 
WrongIdea21 said:
Why the Third spell still Happening when IZ already rewind time that it doesnt ever happen? Or Mash push IZ back to the future is real? I do bit confused.
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Certain powerful Thirds can persist even when the user is defeated. Just look at Wahlberg. I'm assuming Mash really did bring him back to the present.
 
AnAverageUsername said:
Certain powerful Thirds can persist even when the user is defeated. Just look at Wahlberg. I'm assuming Mash really did bring him back to the present.
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I know that Third can't be canceled but IZ Did Rewind the time to evade Walhberg's Third, so if IZ rewind the time then the Darkness Third is Never happened.
 
Phsccarvalho said:
I don't think even the author understood what he did.
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fhl5pg.gif
 
The more i read this manga the more i'm sure this man has never been to muscle school in his whole life.
 
Phsccarvalho said:
From a wiki point of view, we would probably have like EE because PIS. So I probably couldn't use Ap 5B.

But if someone can argue for it, might it work, except that IZ would probably lose its EE capability?
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Well if the lack of EE is explained via PIS or WIS then that means nobody gets resistance from it too, which makes sense since I don't think either aspects of the situation has ever been explained. Just talking about it since it was brought up before.
 
Metalballrun said:
Well if the lack of EE is explained via PIS or WIS then that means nobody gets resistance from it too, which makes sense since I don't think either aspects of the situation has ever been explained. Just talking about it since it was brought up before.
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If we count EE we lose 5-B and people have resistance to EE.

If we count without EE (something that probably won't happen), 5-B will stay but probably nobody will have resistance for being hit by IZ's Darkness.

Probably.
 
Phsccarvalho said:
If we count EE we lose 5-B and people have resistance to EE.

If we count without EE (something that probably won't happen), 5-B will stay but probably nobody will have resistance for being hit by IZ's Darkness.

Probably.
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I personally think there was EE before but there simply wasn't anymore EE with the magic IZ is using now.
But this is probably an unpopular take.
 
Metalballrun said:
I personally think there was EE before but there simply wasn't anymore EE with the magic IZ is using now.
But this is probably an unpopular take.
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And I'm doubtful about 5-B. The giant ball hit the surface and didn't explode everything. Of course, there may be some explanation in the middle of the chapter since we only have leaks, but it's something to think about.
 
Phsccarvalho said:
I saw the raws, that's right. It's just that I usually look for another translation.

In that case, what are we going to do with that Darkness Magic from IZ that seems to be totally AP and not BFR?
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Maybe IZ can make it physical, or maybe that's part of the Eclipse

I think saying that Dark Magic can be physical isn't a stretch, seeing as how in other forms of destruction, steam is present, showing that it can be vaporization.
 
AnAverageUsername said:
Maybe IZ can make it physical, or maybe that's part of the Eclipse

I think saying that Dark Magic can be physical isn't a stretch, seeing as how in other forms of destruction, steam is present, showing that it can be vaporization.
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It was already physical before Eclipse. When he destroyed the city.

So let's try to put it as AP + BFR?
 
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