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MASHLE: Magic and Muscles Discussion Thread

Arkenis said:
yeah
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Alright

"6-A with 30% [786 teratons], High 6-A with <50% [7.86 petatons], higher with 50%, even higher with 60% [78.6 petatons], even higher with 70%, even higher with 80% [7.86 exatons], even higher with 90%, far higher with 100%, even higher with maximum output, 5-C with Freyja, Goddess of Bounty [78.6 exatons]"

You could probably reword the highers so that it isn't so repetitive. As for the elephant in the room on why 20% is missing, I just didn't know where to place him seeing as how he faced a basd Mash fresh off of fighting Domina and his father for a short bit. For speed, of were just going to start with 30%, then it would be our current MFTL+ calc, then for 50% it's doubled. Doom's LS is also Class Z from overpowering Mash causing him to enter UPM.

Honestly, all of his other physical stats should get a higher as he increases in percentage. The physical body can be increased with magic power, and Doom's master cane takes this beyond.

Oh, and Doom is an extraordinary genius in fighting for obvious reasons.
 
DAblue9k said:
The problem with rayne > Renatus is that the IZ statement likely only took into consideration the Visonary's that were alive at the time rather than including ones that are dead
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I would have considered that but Orter wasn't there and it's more logical to assume IZ made that statement because of Rayne , Ryoh and Orter performance against Doom

Base Renatus couldn't damage Domina who is weaker than Delisaster. There are some scaling chain which puts him below Ryane in AP.
DAblue9k said:
Lance is confirmed > Dott Post EOS in the one shot chapter
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Lance > Dott generally but I was talking about peak emotions amped Dot should be stronger. That state is not something he can kick in his own right?
 
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AnAverageUsername said:
Alright

"6-A with 30% [786 teratons], High 6-A with <50% [7.86 petatons], higher with 50%, even higher with 60% [78.6 petatons], even higher with 70%, even higher with 80% [7.86 exatons], even higher with 90%, far higher with 100%, even higher with maximum output, 5-C with Freyja, Goddess of Bounty [78.6 exatons]"

You could probably reword the highers so that it isn't so repetitive. As for the elephant in the room on why 20% is missing, I just didn't know where to place him seeing as how he faced a basd Mash fresh off of fighting Domina and his father for a short bit. For speed, of were just going to start with 30%, then it would be our current MFTL+ calc, then for 50% it's doubled. Doom's LS is also Class Z from overpowering Mash causing him to enter UPM.

Honestly, all of his other physical stats should get a higher as he increases in percentage. The physical body can be increased with magic power, and Doom's master cane takes this beyond.

Oh, and Doom is an extraordinary genius in fighting for obvious reasons.
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He should get base key? He doesn't automatically starts with 30%
 
AnAverageUsername said:
So like, Perhaps around base Domina, Delisaster, and Epidem level?
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It's pretty much Narratively doom is strongest

Base Doom > Base Famin (logically) > Base Epidem > Base Delisaster > Base Domina (Country level)

By the way, upon checking the chapters, isn't it possible that the author forgot to draw the summon for Orter? I mean, Rayne was using his summon & going full power all the time, but Orter didn't even in a pinch situation? How logical does this work? Orter, even when he was losing and almost got killed, never used his summon against Doom, despite using it against Famin, a weaker opponent.
 
EldemadeDityjon said:
It's pretty much Narratively doom is strongest

Base Doom > Base Famin (logically) > Base Epidem > Base Delisaster > Base Domina (Country level)
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Not really, base Doom would actually be his 100% form, which of course trounces over every brother. However, Orter was quite easily handling 50% Doom in base, while earlier he was equally matched with Famin. So that just makes it clear that base Famin is > 50% Doom
EldemadeDityjon said:
By the way, upon checking the chapters, isn't it possible that the author forgot to draw the summon for Orter? I mean, Rayne was using his summon & going full power all the time, but Orter didn't even in a pinch situation? How logical does this work? Orter, even when he was losing and almost got killed, never used his summon against Doom, despite using it against Famin, a weaker opponent.
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We didn't even get to see his Thirds...
 
AnAverageUsername said:
Not really, base Doom would actually be his 100% form, which of course trounces over every brother. However, Orter was quite easily handling 50% Doom in base, while earlier he was equally matched with Famin. So that just makes it clear that base Famin is > 50% Doom
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Oh wait you are right.
AnAverageUsername said:
We didn't even get to see his Thirds....
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We didn't get to see Kaidos summon too 🗿
Someone should translate the Fanbook.

I checked Rayne information to add it to the profile. Nothing found in scaling

But it's not based on scaling but it states something like Rayne entrusted Finn to Kaido to look after him.

Also Tsurara gender is stated teased as similar to Margarette?
Also their ice manipulation temperature reaches -5⁰c

It also has information on Abels fake marking
 
EldemadeDityjon said:
We didn't get to see Kaidos summon too 🗿
Someone should translate the Fanbook.
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If we didn't get Orter's God, I doubt we'll get anything over the other Visionaries summons
EldemadeDityjon said:
I checked Rayne information to add it to the profile. Nothing found in scaling
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Speaking of Rayne scaling, why do you have his AP at continental, but his Durability and striking strength at multi?
EldemadeDityjon said:
But it's not based on scaling but it states something like Rayne entrusted Finn to Kaido to look after him.
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Yeah, Kaldo's a trainer, pretty sure that's his role.
EldemadeDityjon said:
Also Tsurara gender is stated teased as similar to Margarette?
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Yeah I've heard it's either that they're neither male or female, or that it's just unknown
EldemadeDityjon said:
Also their ice manipulation temperature reaches -5⁰c
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I heard it was absolute zero
EldemadeDityjon said:
It also has information on Abels fake marking
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Yeah, it's artificial, but allows him full access to his magic power.
 
AnAverageUsername said:
Speaking of Rayne scaling, why do you have his AP at continental, but his Durability and striking strength at multi?
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I need to fix few things regarding that. I will do that when I have time.

His first key would scale to Margarette so High 6-C , Country level

Second Key would be 70% Doom downscaling. I would put it as accelerated development and other things. I will explain that when I make the thread for profile update.

Third key would be based on Him and Finn combo which is 6-A to High 6-A at max output.
 
EldemadeDityjon said:
I need to fix few things regarding that. I will do that when I have time.

His first key would scale to Margarette so High 6-C , Country level

Second Key would be 70% Doom downscaling. I would put it as accelerated development and other things. I will explain that when I made the thread for profile update.

Third key would be based on Him and Finn combo which is 6-A to High 6-A at max output.
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So basically

High 6-C, 6-B with Ares, God of War | 6-B, 6-A with Ares, God of War, up to High 6-A with reactive evolution

?
 
Also, anyone have clean images of 60% Doom and beyond? I've already cleaned an image of 50% and below, I just need the higher percentages

Also also, I'm totally going to do Doom vs Zoro. Any other matches that could be done?
 
EldemadeDityjon said:
Regarding Mash moving the continent position. Did anyone tried calculating that feat?
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LoK did but I forgot what result it was. I'm here trying to calculate the tsunami feat but I can't get the planet's size in paint.net to get the death ball size, so I'm relying on a planet measurement from LoK's sandbox and hoping the results don't get messed up because that doesn't look like paint was used.
 
AnAverageUsername said:
"6-A with 30% [786 teratons], High 6-A with <50% [7.86 petatons], higher with 50%, even higher with 60% [78.6 petatons], even higher with 70%, even higher with 80% [7.86 exatons], even higher with 90%, far higher with 100%, even higher with maximum output, 5-C with Freyja, Goddess of Bounty [78.6 exatons]"
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can u give explanation for it sections? and for intelligence I have no idea what to put
 
Arkenis said:
can u give explanation for it sections? and for intelligence I have no idea what to put
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Got it

6-A with 30% (With only 30% of his power, he was able to match and even overpower Mash, forcing him to take off his weights. Continued to battle with Unlimited Physical Mode Mash on equal footing) [786 teratons], High 6-A with <50% (Though the percentage of power used was not specified, he was able to beat both Lance and Dot, who were using their Thirds. Therefore, it would have to be above his 30% output, but below his 50% output, which was not used yet. Was able to casually beat Rayne, and no sold his strongest attack despite him being amplified by Finn) [7.86 petatons], higher with 50% (Each time Doom exerts more power, the percentage rises. Was able to beat Rayne without trouble), even higher with 60% (Despite previously being unable to stand up to Orter's power, upon using 60% of his power, Doom could power through his sand. Despite the combined power of Orter, Rayne, and Finn, tbe trio was helpless before Doom's overwhelming might) [78.6 petatons], even higher with 70%, even higher with 80% (Upon using 80% of his Power, Doom was not only able to slice through the beam fired of by Ryoh's Thirds, but also Ryoh's body and the deity itself. Able to draw blood from Post-Training Mash) [7.86 exatons], even higher with 90% (Forced Post-Training Mash to take off his weights, and although showing signs of inferiority, could damage him in his Unlimited Physical Mode state), far higher with 100% (Using 100% of his power struck fear onto the downed wizards, with Dot even calling him a monster. Doom was even in awe of his own power, calling it uncharted. With this power, not even Mash's Unlimited Physical Mode stood a chance), even higher with maximum output (Doom unleashes all the magic he posseses, wielding a power beyond comprehension for a brief period), 5-C with Freyja, Goddess of Bounty (Summons are considered a 10x multiplier) [78.6 exatons]
 
Oh right, intelligence....

"Extraordinary Genius (Able to fight Mash on equal footing on several occasions. Despite his blindness, Doom was said by his father that once he "sees" a technique, he can instantly counter it. Not only this, he was also said to be the most skilled among the brothers. Over the course of the prolonged fight, Doom was able to take out multiple prodigies and Divine Visonary level wizards, even going so far as to outmanuever and trick them into standing just where he wanted them to after already marking the spot with an X"
 
EldemadeDityjon said:
I would have considered that but Orter wasn't there and it's more logical to assume IZ made that statement because of Rayne , Ryoh and Orter performance against Doom

Base Renatus couldn't damage Domina who is weaker than Delisaster. There are some scaling chain which puts him below Ryane in AP.

Lance > Dott generally but I was talking about peak emotions amped Dot should be stronger. That state is not something he can kick in his own right?
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The problem is that rayne is amped the entire time against doom so rayne without Finn has no real scaling to any quintuplet tbh. Renatus's goal isn't to kill domina so he's likely holding back (which is consistent with him in base not only able to block attacks from orter with killing intent but also make doom bleed with his attacks which lance and dott using their thirds couldn't do even when doom literally sits there and let's it hit him) so idk what scaling rayne has to Renatus.

The fanbook confirms dott can use the ira kreuz at will now
 
Arkenis said:
what chapter
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I mean, it was in Rayne and Finn vs Delisaster where Delisaster had spilled the beans that all of the brother's had already given up their hearts. We see this confirmed with the original hearts bursting from the ground when the eclipse happens.

this would give Doom low-mid to possibly mid regen
 
DAblue9k said:
The problem is that rayne is amped the entire time against doom so rayne without Finn has no real scaling to any quintuplet tbh. Renatus's goal isn't to kill domina so he's likely holding back (which is consistent with him in base not only able to block attacks from orter with killing intent but also make doom bleed with his attacks which lance and dott using their thirds couldn't do even when doom literally sits there and let's it hit him) so idk what scaling rayne has to Renatus.
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Rayne damaged Delisaster in their initial clash. Also, it doesn't even seem like Renatus was trying to hold back against Domina. He was shocked that both his and Agito's attacks didn't even put a scratch on his. Domina was confident in taking on one at a time.

When Doom was at 70% Orter and Ryane damaged him without Finn's amp. Yeah, I know this is something like AD. But still, some good feats?

There are not many statements or feats to say Ryane > Renatus or Renatus > Ryane.

So I'm just going with the best feats they have done so far and other variables showcased in the series.
DAblue9k said:
The fanbook confirms dott can use the ira kreuz at will now
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Really? Then I got nothing to say.
 
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AnAverageUsername said:
Got it

6-A with 30% (With only 30% of his power, he was able to match and even overpower Mash, forcing him to take off his weights. Continued to battle with Unlimited Physical Mode Mash on equal footing) [786 teratons], High 6-A with <50% (Though the percentage of power used was not specified, he was able to beat both Lance and Dot, who were using their Thirds. Therefore, it would have to be above his 30% output, but below his 50% output, which was not used yet. Was able to casually beat Rayne, and no sold his strongest attack despite him being amplified by Finn) [7.86 petatons], higher with 50% (Each time Doom exerts more power, the percentage rises. Was able to beat Rayne without trouble), even higher with 60% (Despite previously being unable to stand up to Orter's power, upon using 60% of his power, Doom could power through his sand. Despite the combined power of Orter, Rayne, and Finn, tbe trio was helpless before Doom's overwhelming might) [78.6 petatons], even higher with 70%, even higher with 80% (Upon using 80% of his Power, Doom was not only able to slice through the beam fired of by Ryoh's Thirds, but also Ryoh's body and the deity itself. Able to draw blood from Post-Training Mash) [7.86 exatons], even higher with 90% (Forced Post-Training Mash to take off his weights, and although showing signs of inferiority, could damage him in his Unlimited Physical Mode state), far higher with 100% (Using 100% of his power struck fear onto the downed wizards, with Dot even calling him a monster. Doom was even in awe of his own power, calling it uncharted. With this power, not even Mash's Unlimited Physical Mode stood a chance), even higher with maximum output (Doom unleashes all the magic he posseses, wielding a power beyond comprehension for a brief period), 5-C with Freyja, Goddess of Bounty (Summons are considered a 10x multiplier) [78.6 exatons]
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Can we say Walhberg > Doom? I got few arguments for this.
 
EldemadeDityjon said:
Can we say Walhberg > Doom? I got few arguments for this.
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EldemadeDityjon said:
Walhberg rating should be something like this

6-A, High 6-A with Summon, 5-C with Thirds
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Well Wahlberg's Thirds isn't AP based, it creates a pocket space which is then blown up by a spacial erasure field

Anyways, I actually think it'd go like this:
5-C, Low 5-B with Uranus, God of the Sky

I say this because Innocent Zero didn't use his summons against Mash despite seeing him beat Doom at his most powerful, nor against Weakness Mode. However, IZ did use his summons in response to Wahlberg doing the same, showing that they're in similar realms of power, although IZ is still stronger.
 
AnAverageUsername said:
Well Wahlberg's Thirds isn't AP based, it creates a pocket space which is then blown up by a spacial erasure field

Anyways, I actually think it'd go like this:
5-C, Low 5-B with Uranus, God of the Sky

I say this because Innocent Zero didn't use his summons against Mash despite seeing him beat Doom at his most powerful, nor against Weakness Mode. However, IZ did use his summons in response to Wahlberg doing the same, showing that they're in similar realms of power, although IZ is still stronger.
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Why baseline 5-C?
 
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