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MASHLE: Magic and Muscles Discussion Thread
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In order not to overcrowd the crt, would Kaldo have an advanced domain?
Despite him being triple lines and being a DV, he doesn't have that basic resistance to Time Stop of first class mages.
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Yeah he would
Because Kaldo was massively inferior to IZ.
Let's say if he gets massive magic power of the level of Walhberg I think he would be capable of resisting IZ time stop.
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Yeah, even Orter got frozen in stopped time and he's a super prodigy DV
EldemadeDityjon
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Time stop by narrative should be resisted by mages with similar level of magic.
For example cross verse matches
6-B Kaldo should be capable of Resisting same tier time stop from 6-B character.
For example cross verse matches
6-B Kaldo should be capable of Resisting same tier time stop from 6-B character.
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Or like, Ryoh vs Lucius?
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Anyone with DV level should be able to resist time stop within same tier
Yeah Ryoh should be able to resist time stop
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Another thing is Abel, his triple lines are artificial from what I remember.
So he wouldn't have things given to him by the third line.
Maybe it would be "Double lines/median domain"
EldemadeDityjon
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Yeah
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Would Kaldo's Worker Bee mode downscale from Meliadoul (lol)
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Now we just need someone to translate everything
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According to this I think
Ryoh > Renatus > Orter > Kaido > Rayne
Though Renatus got defeated by Doom. Do we have any statement for how much power he used? Or Renatus will have upper hand due to hax only?
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IZ doesn't consider kaldo a upper tier Visonary but he thinks rayne is so idk why kaldo would be above rayne. As for renatus the doom he fought didn't say what percentage he was using and we know the lowest stated percentage of his power was 20%. So I would assume hes only using 10% (same with when doom fought lance and dott) and orter pressed doom to 60% and made him transform soooooo
EldemadeDityjon
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Yeah
I guess that Q & A is just about who has summons & Thirds only I guess?
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Yeah I think that question was just putting those Visionaries into groups. Ryoh, Orter, and Renatus are at the top, Kaldo and Rayne are the middle, and Tsurara, Agito, and Sophina are the bottom 3
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Visonary ranking (IMO)
1. Wahlberg
2. Adam Jobs
3. Ryoh
4. Orter
5. Renatus
6. Lance (probably #5 but lacks feats)
7. Rayne
8. Kaldo
9. Agito
10. Tsurara (if shes rel with agito she one taps)
11. Sophina
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I already made Delisasters, i just need to continue my work on Epidem. For team profiles, that'll be done after all the brother's are made.
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Would Innocent Zero have his 4 eldest sons as equipment with his Thirds
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I don't think so? May be as Summoning works
EldemadeDityjon
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Overall agree with your list
Personally I would put Rayne > Lance
AP wise EOS Rayne with summon > Renatus third
I have Kaido > Lance though Kaido only best feat is turning the key for waking up Mash. LMAO.
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Ehhh, I don't know about this. Going by the fanbook, Rayne is still middle of the pack among the Divine Visionaries, when that info is taken from EoS information. Plus, Renatus' Thirds supposedly makes any and all attacks land on the opponent, meaning Rayne just gets overwhelmed.
your power can't be questioned if you never struggle lol
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IZ considered Rayne, Orter and Royh as top DV EOS.
I'm not saying Rayne wins against Renatus that's why I said AP wise Rayne should be stronger but Renatus likely wins by hax
LMAO.
I would have liked to see something. I will still create Kaido profile once Common abilities page is gets accepted. Also need to check in databook if we have any other statement for his power
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Well yeah, Innocent Zero did do that... but still, post series info putting Renatus in the top 3 makes me think that he's still stronger. But as you said it doesn't matter anyway, Renatus has hax. Plus they should be in a similar realm of power.
Like where would he scale? Maybe 6-B, 6-A with his (unknown) Summons? He scales above Tyrone, who went in with Renatus against Domina.
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6-B, higher with summon or 10 x of 6-B for his summon. I don't directly want to put him on 6-A tier without statement or feats.
Also I'm wondering where his speed should scale.
EldemadeDityjon
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No. If you want to feel free to. I'm currently trying to fix Rayne profile later will work on other Visionaries.
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Do you need pointers on his AP scaling?
Arkenis
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Nah I’ll just focus on pna and other stuff and then come to you guys for ap scaling
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The problem with rayne > Renatus is that the IZ statement likely only took into consideration the Visonary's that were alive at the time rather than including ones that are dead
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Ooooh, I like how you're organizing the abilities. I'm guessing you're waiting for the magic page to be accepted?Arkenis/sandboxforDoom
A little nitpick, I'm pretty sure Doom's magic is called Mirage Magic, going by his Thirds. Oh, and he can increase his power past 100% as well.
So, do you need the statistics now?
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Lance is confirmed > Dott Post EOS in the one shot chapter
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Or uh, maybe not of were going by a more objective stance. Not like we call Lance's gravity magic "Graviole Magic". Whoops.
