Marvel Tier 1: Wiccan profile

[Suigetsuhyugs]

I agree with Catzaflame.

On what? I already changed the speed tier.

 

[Suigetsuhyugs]

Bump x44

 

[Suigetsuhyugs]

Bump x45

 

[Suigetsuhyugs]

Bump x46

 

[Antvasima]

What currently needs to be evaluated here, and what are the conclusions here so far?

I would appreciate a proper explanation post here, including a tally for which staff members that think what regarding this topic.

 

[Antvasima]

Im not really experienced with tier 1 on Marvel, even more after the last thread that amped a lot of characters to low 1-A, so I will take requests, I used tier 1-C because thats what the previous thread of Wiccan, which was accepted by staff, was ok with.

Suigetsuhyugs/sandbox

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This is what i found regarding his HDE

• Higher-Dimensional Existence (Stated by Loki (Marvel Comics) (Classic), stated by Dormmamu, stated by Daimon Hellstrom, shown to stand above worlds and dimensions)

I will call out for the specific scan of Dormmamu who also has possibly HDE although this scan makes it very clear HDE and so "possibly" shouldnt be necessary, I will just add this one too.

Edit: I will also be talking another thing in this thread its small it has little reason to need a CRT on its own and no votes from staff until now
Captain marvel power addition

• Underwater breathing (Here)
• Fusionism (Fusing with Monica) Sincerily I have no ideia why would Monica have fusionism, she cant fuse with anyone by her own will she just turns to energy which allows someone who actually can absorb energy to absorb her.
• Supernatural willpower (If the progenitor says then it must be true, but also burning her own arms to bones, also breaking her apart in her mind and still manage to keep going for a long time )

Captain Marvel lacks resistances
This is her current ones

But there is a severe lacking of things like

• Resistance to Extreme Temperatures and Magma Manipulation ( She can resist things from sun's core temperature and hellfire to being frozen solid from the inside) Just a funny part where she was swimming on lava
• Radiation Manipulation (Can move freely in the vacuum of space) I didnt even knew that this was enough to grant it, but Captain Marvel can easily move in space, can stay very close to stars, even white holes which release all kinds of radiation, black holes too, heck she even absorbed gamma radiation directly from abomination. Just the fact that she can absorb it should already grant resistance.
• Resistance against black holes and gravity manipulation (She has this she is in the mid of a black hole, she already has the feat of absorbing a black hole cant scale to AP but proves she can stay close to a black hole, and while this is not a black hole but a white hole both are singularities revolving around infinte gravity and she is inside which is also technically impossible )
• Resistance to life manipulation (This guys can absorb life force and while everyone was already out she was fine and still running around trying to save the people)

@Eficiente @Qawsedf234 @SuperAPM @Firestorm808 @EmperorRorepmeThree @Ehnkr2beboh @Elizio33 @MarvelFanatic119 @Catzlaflame @Lightning_XXI @Deagonx @Vasco @Eseseso @LuciferX @Excel616 @Immortalgodd @LephyrTheRevanchist @ByAsura @Emirp sumitpo @Quantu @IdiosyncraticLawyer @PrinceofPein @Lonkitt @LordTracer @ProfectusInfinity @M3X_2.0 @Maverick_Zero_X @Dark-Carioca @ObberGobb @Ultima_Reality

What do you think about this?

 

[Suigetsuhyugs]

I would appreciate a proper explanation post here, including a tally for which staff members that think what regarding this topic.

This side of Marvel is not my strong suit, but I was asked to comment here so I will. Just take that with a grain of salt.

Regarding the sandbox:

1. I disagree with the Extrasensory perception. I believe it should be Enhanced Senses, as Extrasensory Perception, is, as the name implies, exclusive to things not pertaining to the 5 senses. Sight is one of the 5 senses.

2. Disagree with immeasurable speed/lifting strength tier… that is definitely not enough proof.

3. Mind manipulation is fine, but why not just make it Memory manipulation? Seems more specific.

Everything else seems fine, well done page.

Regarding the Captain marvel stuff, I disagree only with Fusionism… she’s absorbing the energy.

Looks pretty alright, but I agree with Lightning_XXI regarding the Speed and LS

Low 1-C can be a good stand-in tier for now

I agree with Catzaflame.

The only disagreements that i havent changed yet is regarding Speed and Lifting strenght, I changed the speed to unlnown because they disagreed but i still think him lifting moments of time with his hands still grant him Immeasurable LS.
After all this i still added conceptual manipulation because of this im not sure what type would this be.

There is disagreement about fusionism for Captain Marvel from Catzlaflame to which i question this

And Monica is just turning herself into energy yet she gets to have fusionism? Technically Captain Marvel absorbed a being to herself to make herself stronger that fact that she turned herself into energy doesnt make her stop being a person.

Should this be fusionism for both or no one?

 

[Antvasima]

Thank you. I do not think that qualifies for fusionism.

I think that may be immeasurable lifting strength, but am not certain.

 

[Suigetsuhyugs]

Thank you. I do not think that qualifies for fusionism.

So should Monica lose her fusionism?

 

[Antvasima]

Probably, yes. It is more about empowering others than merging with them.

 

[Suigetsuhyugs]

Probably, yes. It is more about empowering others than merging with them.

If you are ok with the rest of the powers I can add them to Captain Marvel and change Monica and get this over with to focus on the main subject that is wiccan.

 

[PrinceofPein]

just the sandbox needs evaluation?

 

[Suigetsuhyugs]

just the sandbox needs evaluation?

I appreaciate the opinion on everything but the most important is the Sandbox profile.
More specifically

• Tiers: I'm not sure that 1-C is final
• Higher dimensionality: Hopefully that's enough evidence
• Abstract existance: I'm not really knowledged on that so I don't know what type he gets
• Conceptual manipulation: same thing i don't really know what type should he get

 

[Suigetsuhyugs]

Bump x47

 

[PrinceofPein]

It's the holidays so it will be slow, I will also get to it eventually.

 

[Suigetsuhyugs]

It's the holidays so it will be slow, I will also get to it eventually.

It's been slow for over a month, if something it was the holidays that this thread had the most movement

 

[Suigetsuhyugs]

Bump x48

 

[Suigetsuhyugs]

Bump x49

 

[Antvasima]

@Eficiente @Qawsedf234 @SuperAPM @Firestorm808 @EmperorRorepmeThree @Ehnkr2beboh @Elizio33 @MarvelFanatic119 @Catzlaflame @Lightning_XXI @Deagonx @Vasco @Eseseso @LuciferX @Excel616 @Immortalgodd @LephyrTheRevanchist @ByAsura @Emirp sumitpo @Quantu @IdiosyncraticLawyer @PrinceofPein @Lonkitt @LordTracer @ProfectusInfinity @M3X_2.0 @Maverick_Zero_X @Dark-Carioca @ObberGobb

We need some evaluation help here.

 

[Eseseso]

I appreaciate the opinion on everything but the most important is the Sandbox profile.
More specifically

• Tiers: I'm not sure that 1-C is final

If Demiurge created all the gods, he's at least High 1-B.

Without that, 1-C should be fine since Dormammu stated him to be "many" planes above 4-D space-time, meaning at least 8 dimensions going by wiki rules for "many".

• Higher dimensionality: Hopefully that's enough evidence

HDE is fine.

• Abstract existance: I'm not really knowledged on that so I don't know what type he gets

I think type 1 is fine.

• Conceptual manipulation: same thing i don't really know what type should he get

Not sure what type he should get either.

 

[ProfectusInfinity]

If Demiurge created all the gods, he's at least High 1-B.

Yeah, I agreed with this too. I was saying that if Demiurge upscales from Seth, he should at least gain a High 1-B rating.

Though I became a bit confused later as a found out that the Seth we have a profile for is actually a different Seth from the one Demiurge created (unless I’m missing something, that means two Marvel variants of the same Egyptian god…?).

 

[Antvasima]

If Demiurge created all the gods, he's at least High 1-B.

Agreed.

 

[Eseseso]

If there turns out to be stuff scaling him to the Elder Gods, he'll be High 1-A, but until then High 1-B is fine.

 

[Antvasima]

He should be above the Elder Gods.

 

[Eseseso]

He should be above the Elder Gods.

How so?

If so, then High 1-A is good.

 

[Antvasima]

The old Demiurge created the Elder Gods, and Al Ewing seemed to state that Wiccan fills the same function/is the new incarnation of the old version of the Demiurge in his latest Thor story.

Btw: Since Wiccan is supposed to be the "cosmic messiah" who will completely rewrite the laws of magic at some point, and is arguably the biggest gun in the Marvel superhero arsenal, does anybody think that he will play a big role in opposing The Dominion/Nathaniel Essex?

 

[Suigetsuhyugs]

If there turns out to be stuff scaling him to the Elder Gods, he'll be High 1-A, but until then High 1-B is fine.

I changed it to High 1-B on the sandbox.

 

[Suigetsuhyugs]

The old Demiurge created the Elder Gods, and Al Ewing seemed to state that Wiccan fills the same function/is the new incarnation of the old version of the Demiurge.

Btw: Since Wiccan is supposed to be the "cosmic messiah" who will completely rewrite the laws of magic at some point, and is arguably the biggest gun in the Marvel superhero arsenal, does anybody think that he will play a big role in opposing The Dominion/Nathaniel Essex?

Considering he is supposed to change the laws of magic at some point would that make him more powerful than any magic? Like Dormammu or Scarlet Witch and other magic entities? That would make him High 1-A right.

 

[Antvasima]

Yes, the Demiurge should likely be significantly above all of them.

 

[Suigetsuhyugs]

Yes, the Demiurge should likely be significantly above all of them.

You think i should change him to high 1-A or have a "likely high 1-A"

 

[Antvasima]

I think so, yes.

 

[Suigetsuhyugs]

I think so, yes.

How does it look now?

 

[Antvasima]

I thought that the elder gods are High 1-A? Also, the sentence structures of your draft need to be improved on by somebody with good English grammar and spelling skills.

 

[Eseseso]

I thought that the elder gods are High 1-A? Also, the sentence structures of your draft need to be improved on by somebody with good English grammar and spelling skills.

Oh definitely they're all high 1-A.

Later today I MIGHT be able to find more info on Demiurge regarding its connection to both creating the gods and using magic

 

[Suigetsuhyugs]

I thought that the elder gods are High 1-A? Also, the sentence structures of your draft need to be improved on by somebody with good English grammar and spelling skills.

Seth is High 1-B anyways the wiki doesnt have pages for most of the elder gods, considering how relevant Gaea is i would have though she would have a page.
What needs improving? I don't think there are many people here willing to help here, so I think i will have to do it myself

 

[Suigetsuhyugs]

Oh definitely they're all high 1-A.

Later today I MIGHT be able to find more info on Demiurge regarding its connection to both creating the gods and using magic

As far as i saw there are 3 comics explaining Demiurge creating the elder gods
Thor (1966) Annual #10
Silver Surfer Annual (1988) #2
Immortal Thor (2023) #5
All of which pretty much say the same thing, just some different words.

 

[Antvasima]

What needs improving? I don't think there are many people here willing to help here, so I think i will have to do it myself

Well, maybe Eseseso or somebody else here is willing to improve on the spelling, grammar, and text coherence/word flow?

 

[PrinceofPein]

CM type 1 is fine
HDE on the other hand is incorrect that is not enough to conclude HDE.

Everything else is also fine

 

[Setsuna_tenma]

Yeah, I agreed with this too. I was saying that if Demiurge upscales from Seth, he should at least gain a High 1-B rating.

Though I became a bit confused later as a found out that the Seth we have a profile for is actually a different Seth from the one Demiurge created (unless I’m missing something, that means two Marvel variants of the same Egyptian god…?).

They are 2 different beings. There is the elder God seth the first murderer and Egyptian god set who just Stoke the name from the elder god seth.

 

[Eseseso]

Later today I MIGHT be able to find more info on Demiurge regarding its connection to both creating the gods and using magic

Sorry this is late, but here is what I found:

• Gods are substance (concepts) given by the Demiurge, and their physical form is given by the collective unconscious. From Thor Annual Vol 1 #10
• While there is a conflict about who came first, Gaia or the Demiurge, both are actually the same entity, two different sides of the same entity, like Yin(Gaea) and Yang(Demiurge), such an entity existed in the Primordial Nothingness, a hint that demiurge is a manifestation of Adam. From Thor & Hercules: Encyclopaedia Mythologica Vol 1 #1

For reference, Gaia is one of the High 1-A Elder Gods.