• This forum is strictly intended to be used by members of the VS Battles wiki. Please only register if you have an autoconfirmed account there, as otherwise your registration will be rejected. If you have already registered once, do not do so again, and contact Antvasima if you encounter any problems.

    For instructions regarding the exact procedure to sign up to this forum, please click here.
  • We need Patreon donations for this forum to have all of its running costs financially secured.

    Community members who help us out will receive badges that give them several different benefits, including the removal of all advertisements in this forum, but donations from non-members are also extremely appreciated.

    Please click here for further information, or here to directly visit our Patreon donations page.
  • Please click here for information about a large petition to help children in need.

Marvel Comics: Scarlet Witch (HOM) Downgrade

Status
Not open for further replies.
Recap_ said:
Ah yeah, I forgot to think, about this but Wanda get the ap low 1-c from the opposite action which opposite action is to remove the power mutants and bring back.

Wanda will get a low 1-c ap, is that a bit exaggerated?
Click to expand...
My opposite action was simply to address your intial OP argument that, two forces being opposite isn’t a good enough argument to claim that they are not equivalent.

As it stands, The marvel comic depicted the phoenix and chaos magic as being balanced with each other, with the ying and yang sign, a common human concept. And not to mention we have a statement of tony claiming they they are both powerful together.

This is enough evidence to claim they share equivalence in power.

To suggest that they don’t, youd have to provide an example that shows that chaos magic is not equal to power to the phoenix.
 
Iamunanimousinthat said:
My opposite action was simply to address your intial OP argument that, two forces being opposite isn’t a good enough argument to claim that they are not equivalent.

As it stands, The marvel comic depicted the phoenix and chaos magic as being balanced with each other, with the ying and yang sign, a common human concept. And not to mention we have a statement of tony claiming they they are both powerful together.

This is enough evidence to claim they share equivalence in power.

To suggest that they don’t, youd have to provide an example that shows that chaos magic is not equal to power to the phoenix.
Click to expand...
If duality is strong and weak but both are opposites. And you're saying they both have the same ap?
I think it's the ability not the character's ap 😐
 
The entire event wasn't talking about power, it's all about destruction and rebirth mainly talking about the mutants race, chaos magic erased the mutants and Phoenix can bring them back according to scott summers. This is mainly what Tony was talking about based on the story that's why he used the yin and yang analogy not about AP or anything that would make them truly equivalent to each other.
Even according to Scott summers the main reason of the phoenix coming was to revive the mutants race, cause the chaos magic erased most of them, This is nothing about both battling each other and wasn't even shown just Chaos erased most mutants and Phoenix acting as a counter force to revive the mutant after causing destruction which is stated by Scott summers.
 
Lewis said:
If duality is strong and weak but both are opposites. And you're saying they both have the same ap?
I think it's the ability not the character's ap 😐
Click to expand...
Strong and weak can be a duality, but in this case, we have knowledgeable character claiming that they are both powerful.

My point was that opposites can have equivalent power, not that they always do or always dont.
 
Eseseso said:
I would suggest removing the Low 1-C part of her HOM Key, except IIRC her HoM key scales above her "normal" key, which has a Low 1-C maximum for fighting the abstract being known as Chaos, and for seemingly erasing the Phoenix Force from existence alongside Hope Summers.
Click to expand...
if this is true, then she gets low 1-c in the HOM key regardless
 
Wanda's No more mutants isn't AP just biological manipulation on 2-A scale.
 
Well, it seems more like a supporting feat as I agree that it seems much more like range than raw power.
 
I agree with the reasoning, but I know very little about Wanda in general, so if this doesn't change her tier but the reasoning is still sound, then we should change the justification to reflect that.
 
Deagonx said:
I agree with the reasoning, but I know very little about Wanda in general, so if this doesn't change her tier but the reasoning is still sound, then we should change the justification to reflect that.
Click to expand...
That seems reasonable to me.

Is somebody here willing to help out with that please?
 
Deagonx said:
I agree with the reasoning, but I know very little about Wanda in general, so if this doesn't change her tier but the reasoning is still sound, then we should change the justification to reflect that.
Click to expand...
Antvasima said:
That seems reasonable to me.

Is somebody here willing to help out with that please?
Click to expand...
I would still very much appreciate some help with applying this change.

@Eficiente @Qawsedf234 @SuperAPM @Firestorm808 @EmperorRorepme @Ehnkr2beboh @Elizio33 @LordTracer @MarvelFanatic119 @catzlaflame @Gasper @Maverick_Zero_X @Lightning_XXI @Deagonx @Vasco @Eseseso @MARVEL_Future_Fight_Gamer @Alonik @LuciferX @Spinosaurus75DinosaurFan @Tllmbrg @Dark-Carioca @ObberGobb
 
Avengers (2018) 51#
image.png
 
I think this thread only talk about wanda key HOM.
 
Show that Hom is superior Base. but if true, she'll only get tier 2-A.

if the thread ends. can you add new key such as Post HoM. and that scan is reason for new key to her get tier 2-a.
 
Suigetsuhyugs said:
Avengers (2018) 51#
image.png
Click to expand...
I don't know how credible this is both Thor and Wanda with also help from Avengers and X-men could barely pull a win against 1/5 phoenix force Namor. But it's been constantly believed Wanda can damage the phoenix.
 
Recap_ said:
Show that Hom is superior Base. but if true, she'll only get tier 2-A.

if the thread ends. can you add new key such as Post HoM. and that scan is reason for new key to her get tier 2-a.
Click to expand...
Isnt she already by definition? Amped by Life force isnt that enough of an argument?

Vasco said:
I don't know how credible this is both Thor and Wanda with also help from Avengers and X-men could barely pull a win against 1/5 phoenix force Namor. But it's been constantly believed Wanda can damage the phoenix.
Click to expand...
The point is they at some point had the power to do so also i think thats a weak argument Thor fought the phoenix during the phoenix tornament together with a few avengers and they were doing just fine. Can we really go by low ends when Thor has many inconsistent levels because of "limits himself"? You could say Thor choose not to kill Namor.
 
Suigetsuhyugs said:
Isnt she already by definition? Amped by Life force isnt that enough of an argument?
Click to expand...
Please show scan, if Wanda combining with Life force makes Wanda more powerful. IIRC it's makes you one with the creator only.

Edit: Sorry. I didn't read her profile in detail. my fault.
 
Last edited by a moderator:
Recap_ said:
Please show scan, if Wanda combining with Life force makes Wanda more powerful. IIRC it's makes you one with the creator only
Click to expand...
What? You would have to prove she become weaker after being amped because as far as we know Hom Wanda is at least as powerful as her base self, so unless you have any scan proving she somehow lost part of her base powers when she was amped then she is at least as powerful as base self.
Her wiki paga already let's clear by stating in her "when amplified by the life force" key
"All previous abilities enchanced to an exponentially greater extent"
 
Vasco said:
I don't know how credible this is both Thor and Wanda with also help from Avengers and X-men could barely pull a win against 1/5 phoenix force Namor. But it's been constantly believed Wanda can damage the phoenix.
Click to expand...
Thor has the Odinforce nowadays.
 
Damn, I was really hoping to make her a 2-a only.
 
Recap_ said:
that being said equal to Eternity.
Click to expand...
This seems suspicious though. It claims that Lord Chaos is suddenly not the embodiment of Chaos, that Mikaboshi is not an aspect of Oblivion, and that regular unamplified Nightmare is comparable to Eternity, all on the same page. I think that we should ignore it.
 
Status
Not open for further replies.

Similar threads

Yokoahh5743
SCARLET WITCH AND THE GRIEVER Revisions
5 6 7
Replies
253
Views
20K
Antvasima
Antvasima
RoTt35
  • Locked
[MCU vs FOX] Scarlet Witch vs Jean Grey (1-7-0)
Replies
26
Views
3K
RoTt35
RoTt35
Yoazkk6188
About Scarlet Witch destroyed darkhold in every universe new information CRT upgrade Scarlet witch tier
Replies
6
Views
2K
Ayrandros
Ayrandros
Yoazkk6188
  • Locked
Possibly Controversial High 3-A Upgrade for MCU Scarlet Witch
2 3
Replies
98
Views
6K
Yokoahh5743
Yokoahh5743
Hirotoswnn1x
Jean grey base form upgrade
Replies
6
Views
2K
Excellence616
Excellence616
Back
Top