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After reading the issues, I agree with the OP.Thank you for helping out.
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Marvel Comics: Scarlet Witch (HOM) Downgrade
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My opposite action was simply to address your intial OP argument that, two forces being opposite isn’t a good enough argument to claim that they are not equivalent.
As it stands, The marvel comic depicted the phoenix and chaos magic as being balanced with each other, with the ying and yang sign, a common human concept. And not to mention we have a statement of tony claiming they they are both powerful together.
This is enough evidence to claim they share equivalence in power.
To suggest that they don’t, youd have to provide an example that shows that chaos magic is not equal to power to the phoenix.
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If duality is strong and weak but both are opposites. And you're saying they both have the same ap?
I think it's the ability not the character's ap
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The entire event wasn't talking about power, it's all about destruction and rebirth mainly talking about the mutants race, chaos magic erased the mutants and Phoenix can bring them back according to scott summers. This is mainly what Tony was talking about based on the story that's why he used the yin and yang analogy not about AP or anything that would make them truly equivalent to each other.
Even according to Scott summers the main reason of the phoenix coming was to revive the mutants race, cause the chaos magic erased most of them, This is nothing about both battling each other and wasn't even shown just Chaos erased most mutants and Phoenix acting as a counter force to revive the mutant after causing destruction which is stated by Scott summers.
Even according to Scott summers the main reason of the phoenix coming was to revive the mutants race, cause the chaos magic erased most of them, This is nothing about both battling each other and wasn't even shown just Chaos erased most mutants and Phoenix acting as a counter force to revive the mutant after causing destruction which is stated by Scott summers.
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Strong and weak can be a duality, but in this case, we have knowledgeable character claiming that they are both powerful.If duality is strong and weak but both are opposites. And you're saying they both have the same ap?
I think it's the ability not the character's ap
My point was that opposites can have equivalent power, not that they always do or always dont.
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Dosen't really change anything tbh especially how everything was shown, no proof chaos magic and Phoenix force are equal in power based on the story in that book.
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Hmm.
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What do you think should be done here?
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if this is true, then she gets low 1-c in the HOM key regardless
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On her profile it's stated to be her peak with preparation, she's just gonna be 2-A.
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And what evidence do we have the HOM key is higher than the base wanda?
hom can say there are no more mutants immediately, and the base takes some time to prep, to say no more mutants?
but no more mutants is statistics only 2-A given.
hom can say there are no more mutants immediately, and the base takes some time to prep, to say no more mutants?
but no more mutants is statistics only 2-A given.
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Low 1-C would be removed and she would be 2-A.
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I would still very much appreciate some help with applying this change.
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Avengers (2018) 51#
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HOM Wanda scales above the normal Wanda as she was amped. I think its very likely that the records are talking about amped Wanda anyways
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Show that Hom is superior Base. but if true, she'll only get tier 2-A.
if the thread ends. can you add new key such as Post HoM. and that scan is reason for new key to her get tier 2-a.
if the thread ends. can you add new key such as Post HoM. and that scan is reason for new key to her get tier 2-a.
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I don't know how credible this is both Thor and Wanda with also help from Avengers and X-men could barely pull a win against 1/5 phoenix force Namor. But it's been constantly believed Wanda can damage the phoenix.Avengers (2018) 51#
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She performed a 2-A feat?
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It's on her profile, her 2-A feats.
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Isnt she already by definition? Amped by Life force isnt that enough of an argument?
The point is they at some point had the power to do so also i think thats a weak argument Thor fought the phoenix during the phoenix tornament together with a few avengers and they were doing just fine. Can we really go by low ends when Thor has many inconsistent levels because of "limits himself"? You could say Thor choose not to kill Namor.
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What? You would have to prove she become weaker after being amped because as far as we know Hom Wanda is at least as powerful as her base self, so unless you have any scan proving she somehow lost part of her base powers when she was amped then she is at least as powerful as base self.
Her wiki paga already let's clear by stating in her "when amplified by the life force" key
"All previous abilities enchanced to an exponentially greater extent"
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Thus conclusion of the thread this?
HOM retains tier low 1-c, but shifts from reason, equal to Phoenix. be above her Base, who fights Chaos, that being said equal to Eternity.
HOM retains tier low 1-c, but shifts from reason, equal to Phoenix. be above her Base, who fights Chaos, that being said equal to Eternity.
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Thor has the Odinforce nowadays.
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Seems about right
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That sounded Bias of you to say it
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This seems suspicious though. It claims that Lord Chaos is suddenly not the embodiment of Chaos, that Mikaboshi is not an aspect of Oblivion, and that regular unamplified Nightmare is comparable to Eternity, all on the same page. I think that we should ignore it.
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The scan isn't working for me.
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