Mario vs Asriel

[Pizzabox492]

I don't know why people keep using absorption as an argument for Asriel, he never does to end a fight, he only did it as Flowey to become Asriel. Even if he manages to paralyze Mario he'll just send danmaku at him instead of absorbing in character.

 

[AStrangeverse]

I don't know why people keep using absorption as an argument for Asriel, he never does to end a fight, he only did it as Flowey to become Asriel. Even if he manages to paralyze Mario he'll just send danmaku at him instead of absorbing in character.

exactly

but if this the only argument for Asriel, then shoot

count me for Mario

 

[ShionAH]

we can't assume he would, based off the fight he'll start off with danmaku.

Because its chara (frisk)

I don't know why people keep using absorption as an argument for Asriel, he never does to end a fight, he only did it as Flowey to become Asriel. Even if he manages to paralyze Mario he'll just send danmaku at him instead of absorbing in character.

he will absorb and call it day

exactly

but if this the only argument for Asriel, then shoot

count me for Mario

a bit too early to vote.

 

[ShionAH]

1- Flowey abaorbs the 6 souls
2- He shows up and tries to absorb the main cast
3- Other monsters show up so he absorbs all of them all together
4- He then fights with frisk to see their determination die.
Mario is gonna be on the second and the third places. Not the fourth

 

[AStrangeverse]

Because its chara (frisk)

yet he was hellbent on resetting everything, and trying to kill them

he will absorb and call it day

he won't

didn't do it after absorbing the souls, and it ain't like he had a reason to anyway as he was basically invincible at that point

not to mention, again, this is TRUE POWER Asriel, he's only ever done the paralysis and his other danmaku attacks with it

a bit too early to vote.

if your only rebuttal is "absorption", then I think it's reasonable

 

[AStrangeverse]

1- Flowey abaorbs the 6 souls
2- He shows up and tries to absorb the main cast
3- Other monsters show up so he absorbs all of them all together
4- He then fights with frisk to see their determination die.
Mario is gonna be on the second and the third places. Not the fourth

that's remotely incorrect, as this is ASRIEL, not FLOWEY

man already absorbed the souls in the first place, if he didn't do it during his battle, then he ain't doin it now

 

[ShionAH]

yet he was hellbent on resetting everything, and trying to kill them

He wanted to see their DT die off

he won't

Why

didn't do it after absorbing the souls, and it ain't like he had a reason to anyway as he was basically invincible at that point

He was toying with frisk. Thats literally the whole fight be toys with frisk until deisk gets enough DT for asriel to not be able to kill them

not to mention, again, this is TRUE POWER Asriel, he's only ever done the paralysis and his other danmaku attacks with it

Against frisk their best

if your only rebuttal is "absorption", then I think it's reasonable

No. Why even rush this?

 

[ShionAH]

that's remotely incorrect, as this is ASRIEL, not FLOWEY

man already absorbed the souls in the first place, if he didn't do it during his battle, then he ain't doin it now

HE WAS FIGHTING FRISK THEIR BEST FRIEND AND TOYED WITH THEM
WHY WOULD HE TOY WITH A RANDOM ASS PLUMBER INSTEAD OF ABSORBING HIM LIKE HE DID TO EVERY OTHER BEING HE FACED

 

[ShionAH]

I am in school so I wont be able to reply soon.

 

[AStrangeverse]

He wanted to see their DT die off

that still doesn't disprove the point that he was literally trying to kill them, Asriel just treats Mario the same

which ends in his downfall

Why

I explained why below that message

He was toying with frisk. Thats literally the whole fight be toys with frisk until deisk gets enough DT for asriel to not be able to kill them

yeah, then he unleashed his true power, by default taking them seriously

how does that disprove why Asriel couldn't just absorb Frisk before "they get enough DT"

Against frisk their best

wat

No. Why even rush this?

fair

 

[AStrangeverse]

HE WAS FIGHTING FRISK THEIR BEST FRIEND AND TOYED WITH THEM
WHY WOULD HE TOY WITH A RANDOM ASS PLUMBER INSTEAD OF ABSORBING HIM LIKE HE DID TO EVERY OTHER BEING HE FACED

because he's just like Flowey to some degree as Asriel Dreemurr, the guy can be cocky and mess around

and again, he doesn't absorb once he's transformed

the only time he absorbed, was to transform into Photoshop Flowey/Asriel Dreemurr

at no point in either of those fights, does he attempt to absorb Frisk's soul, even when he had greater DT than them

 

[Pizzabox492]

HE WAS FIGHTING FRISK THEIR BEST FRIEND AND TOYED WITH THEM
WHY WOULD HE TOY WITH A RANDOM ASS PLUMBER INSTEAD OF ABSORBING HIM LIKE HE DID TO EVERY OTHER BEING HE FACED

Because we never seen him use to end a fight that's the issue. We don't know what he'll do in character to someone else other than Frisk, we can't just assume he'll absorb Mario. At the very least, he won't open up with absorption immediately so Mario still has a chance.

 

[ShionAH]

Because we never seen him use to end a fight that's the issue. We don't know what he'll do in character to someone else other than Frisk, we can't just assume he'll absorb Mario. At the very least, he won't open up with absorption immediately so Mario still has a chance.

He literally does to all the other monsters with no hesitation.

that still doesn't disprove the point that he was literally trying to kill them, Asriel just treats Mario the same

which ends in his downfall

He will treat mario like a froggit. A free soul.

I explained why below that message



yeah, then he unleashed his true power, by default taking them seriously

Frisks DT grew instead of going down like asriel planned. When he attacked he realized it was too late.

how does that disprove why Asriel couldn't just absorb Frisk before "they get enough DT"

Because like I said context of the battle matters

because he's just like Flowey to some degree as Asriel Dreemurr, the guy can be cocky and mess around

Only against frisk he absorbed the underground with no hesitation

and again, he doesn't absorb once he's transformed

Against frisk.

the only time he absorbed, was to transform into Photoshop Flowey/Asriel Dreemurr

Which he did against people like mario

at no point in either of those fights, does he attempt to absorb Frisk's soul, even when he had greater DT than them

Context of the battle is different. Irrelevant

 

[AStrangeverse]

He literally does to all the other monsters with no hesitation.

he does that only to become the God of Hyperdeath

he never does it after he becomes the God of Hyperdeath

He will treat mario like a froggit. A free soul.

no, he starts with his usual attacks that he's shown, not absorption

Frisks DT grew instead of going down like asriel planned. When he attacked he realized it was too late.

the hell you mean "When he attacked he realized it was too late"

ain't your whole point that Asriel wasn't taking them seriously because they were his "best friend", even though that's clearly Chara

man was fully willing to kill them, why would he only want to see them lose hope?

Because like I said context of the battle matters

yeah, same with paying attention to how the character fights and what's in-character

the guy doesn't absorb after he enters God of Hyperdeath

Only against frisk he absorbed the underground with no hesitation

to become the God of Hyperdeath, he doesn't do it at all afterwards

Against frisk.

it ain't his go to move when he becomes the God of Hyperdeath, and he wanted to kill them so he could gain control over the timeline and reset, so he sure as hell could've just absorbed them to end the fight right there, but he didn't

if it were any other person, how would you know he'd immediately go for absorption, despite only ever using absorption throughout the entire game just to become his ultimate forms?

Which he did against people like mario

yeah, except he's already in his final form, so there's no need to absorb

Context of the battle is different. Irrelevant

show him absorbing Frisk when using his true power

and going by his profile, it only ever states that "If a monster defeats a human, they can take its SOUL"

and who's to say Lucky Day or Earlier Times can't just neg that attempt as well?

 

[ShionAH]

he does that only to become the God of Hyperdeath

he never does it after he becomes the God of Hyperdeath

Because he only fights frisk in really specific context

no, he starts with his usual attacks that he's shown, not absorption

Against frisk again.

the hell you mean "When he attacked he realized it was too late"

Frisks DT overcame his.

ain't your whole point that Asriel wasn't taking them seriously because they were his "best friend", even though that's clearly Chara

He thought they were chara, he wanted to see their DT burn but instead frisk goes pacifist mode and gets more DT

man was fully willing to kill them, why would he only want to see them lose hope?

He was toying with them.

yeah, same with paying attention to how the character fights and what's in-character

the guy doesn't absorb after he enters God of Hyperdeath

The guy only fight against frisk in specific context after that. He absorbed everyone else so its more likely he will do the same

to become the God of Hyperdeath, he doesn't do it at all afterward

Already explained

it ain't his go to move when he becomes the God of Hyperdeath

if it were any other person, how would you know he'd immediately go for absorption, despite only ever using absorption throughout the entire game just to become his ultimate forms?

He only got the position once and absorbed the ENTIRE civizlization with no remorse. Why would he fight mario normally?

yeah, except he's already in his final form, so there's no need to absorb

He can and will like all the other opponents.

show him absorbing Frisk when using his true power

HE DOESNT BECAUSE ITS FRISK NOT MARIO A RANDOM PLUMBE

and going by his profile, it only ever states that "If a monster defeats a human, they can take its SOUL"

After the 6 souls its straight up absorbtion

and who's to say Lucky Day or Earlier Times can't just neg that attempt as well?

Its a light aoe so no

 

[ShionAH]

The absorbtion covers the entire underground and goes to all sides.

 

[StrymULTRA]

Asriel definitely does not start with absorption, just saying.

He has already the power of 7 SOULs, what he needs to fulfill his goals, meaning that he does not see the need of absorbing Mario unless is absolutely necessary or Asriel finds Mario's power too good to waste.

He starts with Danmaku like every other characters and nuff else.

 

[ShionAH]

Asriel definitely does not start with absorption, just saying.

He has already the power of 7 SOULs, what he needs to fulfill his goals, meaning that he does not see the need of absorbing Mario unless is absolutely necessary or Asriel finds Mario's power too good to waste.

He starts with Danmaku like every other characters and nuff else.

Only against frisk in specific battle.

 

[Pizzabox492]

Only against frisk in specific battle.

stop using absorption as an argument he already has the power of 7 souls he won't start with it

 

[StrymULTRA]

Only against frisk in specific battle.

Prove me he would think that he needs to absorb Mario's SOUL as the 1st thing to do.

 

[ShionAH]

Prove me he would think that he needs to absorb Mario's SOUL as the 1st thing to do.

Mario is jus a random enemy just like the monsters he will just absorb him

 

[StrymULTRA]

Mario is jus a random enemy just like the monsters he will just absorb him

But he already has the ultimate power, why would he need to absorb someone else?

 

[ShionAH]

But he already has the ultimate power, why would he need to absorb someone else?

Because he doesnt nees to fight them? Why waste time on a pathetic enemy right?

 

[StrymULTRA]

Because he doesnt nees to fight them? Why waste time on a pathetic enemy right?

Yeah, so he'll just kill them instead of wasting time in absorbing them lmao.

 

[ShionAH]

Yeah, so he'll just kill them instead of wasting time in absorbing them lmao.

Absorbing is much easier and undodgeable and gives asriel more power tf?

 

[StrymULTRA]

Absorbing is much easier and undodgeable and gives asriel more power tf?

Why would he do that when he already has the peak power of the verse and his entire mindset is kill or be killed?

 

[ShionAH]

Why would he do that when he already has the peak power of the verse and his entire mindset is kill or be killed?

Why would he attack mario when he knows he will dodge instead of winning with a gesture or a thought- Ur logic is flawed

 

[StrymULTRA]

Why would he attack mario when he knows he will dodge instead of winning with a gesture or a thought- Ur logic is flawed

Because every UT monster starts with Danmaku and Asriel never shown to start with Absorption? Not even when he was Photoshop Flowey did.

 

[ShionAH]

Because every UT monster starts with Danmaku and Asriel never shown to start with Absorption?

Ignoring the context of the fight again. He does it to ramdom opponents hence mario

Not even when he was Photoshop Flowey did.

Not enough souls

 

[StrymULTRA]

Ignoring the context of the fight again. He does it to ramdom opponents hence mario

Show me him instantly absorbing someone as Asriel then we'll talk.

Not enough souls

Flowey had 6 souls when he absorbed the underground lmfao.

 

[ShionAH]

Show me him instantly absorbing someone as Asriel then we'll talk.

The underground, he only fought frisk as asriel.

Flowey had 6 souls when he absorbed the underground lmfao.

Yes but he didnt have the entire monster kind at his disposal

 

[StrymULTRA]

The underground

To access the God form. He won't do that anymore as he's already a God.

 

[ShionAH]

To access the God form. He won't do that anymore as he's already a God.

He can still do it because its easier than danmaku which mario can dodge and revive from. Asriel is gonna see mario as a simple soul to absorb not his “best friend”
Two extremely different fights

 

[StrymULTRA]

He's already complete and full of himself. He's not Heaven Dio who constantly absorbs souls, he's already the God of Hyperdeath, he won't instantly absorb everything he sees.

And besides, no one is agreeing with you for a reason.

 

[ShionAH]

He's already complete and full of himself. He's not Heaven Dio who constantly absorbs souls, he's already the God of Hyperdeath, he won't instantly absorb everything he sees.

I already explained you he will just absorb mario because that every enemy other than frisk

And besides, no one is agreeing with you for a reason.

1 of then is pizzabox other one thinks absorbtion is dodgeable.

 

[Comiphorous]

Shion, imma be real with you. rn his paralysis is only on the body according to his profile, but im making a crt to have it soul-based on his profile. just throwin' it out there.

I already explained you he will just absorb mario because that every enemy other than frisk

This could only be the case if Asriel was still in his flowey mindset, which goes away after about 5 minutes of being asriel.

1 of then is pizzabox other one thinks absorbtion is dodgeable.

If you were fast enough, you could theoretically outrun his light of absorption

 

[ShionAH]

This could only be the case if Asriel was still in his flowey mindset, which goes away after about 5 minutes of being asriel.

5 minutes is enough for asriel to think and absorb

If you were fast enough, you could theoretically outrun his light of absorption

Maybe

 

[AStrangeverse]

Because he only fights frisk in really specific context

Against frisk again.

Frisks DT overcame his.

He thought they were chara, he wanted to see their DT burn but instead frisk goes pacifist mode and gets more DT

He was toying with them.

The guy only fight against frisk in specific context after that. He absorbed everyone else so its more likely he will do the same

Already explained

He only got the position once and absorbed the ENTIRE civizlization with no remorse. Why would he fight mario normally?

He can and will like all the other opponents.

HE DOESNT BECAUSE ITS FRISK NOT MARIO A RANDOM PLUMBE

it doesn't matter, he doesn't use absorption

After the 6 souls its straight up absorbtion

no the hell it ain't just "straight up absorption", that's most likely only applicable to monster souls since the 6 humans were already souls at that point

I like how you completely ignored "it ain't his go to move when he becomes the God of Hyperdeath, and he wanted to kill them so he could gain control over the timeline and reset, so he sure as hell could've just absorbed them to end the fight right there, but he didn't"

Imma keep repeatin' myself until you get it, he doesn't use absorption in any of his fights, only using it to attain his forms

Its a light aoe so no

it wouldn't matter if it's a "light aoe", probability is still probability

plus, that "light aoe" you're referring to? he only does that when he's releasing the souls, not absorbing, it even shows the souls coming from him, not being drawn towards nvm, you were probably referring to this

either way, that's only when he's entering his God of Hyperdeath form, after that, it's just the fight since he's already in this form

the guy doesn't do absorption in his fight

he fights like he's shown to fight, which ain't absorption

 

[StrymULTRA]

I like how you completely ignored "it ain't his go to move when he becomes the God of Hyperdeath, and he wanted to kill them so he could gain control over the timeline and reset, so he sure as hell could've just absorbed them to end the fight right there, but he didn't"

Imma keep repeatin' myself until you get it, he doesn't use absorption in any of his fights, only using it to attain his forms



it wouldn't matter if it's a "light aoe", probability is still probability

plus, that "light aoe" you're referring to? he only does that when he's releasing the souls, not absorbing, it even shows the souls coming from him, not being drawn towards

the guy doesn't do absorption in his fight

he fights like he's shown to fight, which ain't absorption

Don't waste time on this dude, he's just desperate to make Asriel win and it shows.

 

[ShionAH]

I like how you completely ignored "it ain't his go to move when he becomes the God of Hyperdeath, and he wanted to kill them so he could gain control over the timeline and reset, so he sure as hell could've just absorbed them to end the fight right there, but he didn't"

Its funny because the context of the fight is obviously shown. Asriel wants to kill them yes but he wants to see their DT drain and win them over to show how "pathetic" frisk is compared to him.

Imma keep repeatin' myself until you get it, he doesn't use absorption in any of his fights, only using it to attain his forms

He used it the second he got the chance against anyone other than frisk

it wouldn't matter if it's a "light aoe", probability is still probability

Its a AOE that fills the entire underground

plus, that "light aoe" you're referring to? he only does that when he's releasing the souls, not absorbing, it even shows the souls coming from him, not being drawn towards

No. If you go to the snowdin citizens and napstablook they talk about how a strange light traveled around the underground and absorbed everyone into it. Napstablook even says he closed his curtains so it won't go near him or something lol.

the guy doesn't do absorption in his fight

he fights like he's shown to fight, which ain't absorption

He fight against his "best friend" and uses absorbtion to anyone other- How does mario qualify as a "best friend" by that logic?

Don't waste time on this dude, he's just desperate to make Asriel win and it shows.

Its funny when people become toxic and go crying when I am just debating-