Mario vs Asriel

[ShionAH]

if he gets desperate enough he'd resort to it.

Doesnt mario just seal-?

 

[StrymULTRA]

Doesnt mario just seal-?

I mean in general.

If Asriel cannot kill the enemy normally, he'd consider to absorb him.

Only way to make Asriel start with it is to give him prior knownledge on Mario's powers.

 

[ShionAH]

If Asriel cannot kill the enemy normally, he'd consider to absorb him.

Ik but if mario dies once they said he will just seal. Since you guys are saying he wont absorb

 

[StrymULTRA]

Ik but if mario dies once they said he will just seal. Since you guys are saying he wont absorb

After resurrecting he'd do.

Given that's how Lives in Mario work.

 

[ShionAH]

After resurrecting he'd do..

Who? Asriel didnt absorb even when frisk revives remember? Since you guys think asriel only works like he does in his battle

 

[StrymULTRA]

But now that I think, can Mario's sealing do something about LOADing? Because now that I think Asriel can just null the seal from just loading back the File, other than spamming SAVE and LOAD a LOT as shown in the Photoshop Flowey fight.

Only reason he did not as Asriel was because of his DT being matched from Frisk's in that case.

 

[ShionAH]

But now that I think, can Mario's sealing do something about LOADing? Because now that I think Asriel can just null the seal from just loading back the File, other than spamming SAVE and LOAD a LOT as shown in the Photoshop Flowey fight.

Only reason he did not as Asriel was because of his DT being matched from Frisk's in that case.

Not sure if SAVE and LOAD can stop sealing but Idk

 

[StrymULTRA]

Who? Asriel didnt absorb even when frisk revives remember? Since you guys think asriel only works like he does in his battle

That's because he was not interested in absorbing them, especially when he wanted to not elimimate them but only make them surrender.

 

[StrymULTRA]

• Soul Manipulation, Sealing, and Information Analysis (With Catch Card, which is stated to capture an enemies soul and display information on them. The Peekaboo badge also constantly allows Mario to view the HP of an enemy)

I do not see how this stops SAVE and LOAD, it's not like it BFRs Asriel or seals his powers.

 

[ShionAH]

• Soul Manipulation, Sealing, and Information Analysis (With Catch Card, which is stated to capture an enemies soul and display information on them. The Peekaboo badge also constantly allows Mario to view the HP of an enemy)

I do not see how this stops SAVE and LOAD, it's not like it BFRs Asriel or seals his powers.

Oh then I agree he can SAVE and LOAD

 

[ShionAH]

That's because he was not interested in absorbing them, especially when he wanted to not elimimate them but only make them surrender.

Which is my reasonining why he will start with absorbtion

 

[StrymULTRA]

Which is my reasonining why he will start with absorbtion

Killing off a random guy is not the same as needing their power lol.

 

[ShionAH]

Killing off a random guy is not the same as needing their power lol.

So if save and load stops sealing is it a stomp in asriels favor?

 

[StrymULTRA]

So if save and load stops sealing is it a stomp in asriels favor?

There is stuff like Transmutation but I dunno if Mario leads with that.

 

[ShionAH]

There is stuff like Transmutation but I dunno if Mario leads with that.

I heard somewhere that save and load ası saves you from transmutation

 

[koopa3144]

I heard somewhere that save and load ası saves you from transmutation

Where?

 

[ShionAH]

Where?

Dont remember tbh

 

[koopa3144]

Can someone give me summary of what has been discussed?

 

[ShionAH]

Can someone give me summary of what has been discussed?

Wincons:
Asriel absorbs after he gets angry since they argued he doesnt start with it IC
Mario does some hax Idk maybe transmutation

 

[AStrangeverse]

tf, how'd we suddenly start questioning if Catch Cards will even work due to the SAVE and LOAD

I addressed it earlier, basically asking when has either Flowey/Frisk/Chara ever shown the ability to SAVE and LOAD out of being sealed?

the way I see to beat SAVE and LOAD, and what was acknowledged on a previous thread, is that perma incaps work (like Mario's Catch Cards and etc)

otherwise, there would've been no point in restricting his optional equipment in the Mario vs Chara thread

 

[ZespeonGalaxy]

Pizzabox really likes Asriel what a surprise

 

[StrymULTRA]

otherwise, there would've been no point in restricting his optional equipment in the Mario vs Chara thread

Then maybe that thread is just... Wrong?

 

[AStrangeverse]

Then maybe that thread is just... Wrong?

what-

no

 

[StrymULTRA]

what-

no

I mean, if the sealing has no evidence of stopping Time Hax, then SAVE and LOAD works lol.

 

[AStrangeverse]

I mean, if the sealing has no evidence of stopping Time Hax, then SAVE and LOAD works lol.

that don't make sense, the time hax would need evidence of being able to reverse sealing

neither Chara/Frisk/Asriel have showcased that, so sealing should work

 

[Comiphorous]

that don't make sense, the time hax would need evidence of being able to reverse sealing

neither Chara/Frisk/Asriel have showcased that, so sealing should work

Why? that would make the assumption the time manipulation can only be used in specific places, which isn't the case here, asriel can use his time hax no matter what location he is, so the sealing hax needs proof of negging time manipulating hax.

 

[StrymULTRA]

Sealing is a case by case thing, and we use only feats said sealing has showcased. If the sealing never showcased to stop time hax, then we should not assume it magically does.

 

[AStrangeverse]

Why? that would make the assumption the time manipulation can only be used in specific places, which isn't the case here, asriel can use his time hax no matter what location he is, so the sealing hax needs proof of negging time manipulating hax.

what? No it wouldn't

That's like saying every time manipulator can just rewind themselves out of sealing

It ain't even listed as a weakness of sealing

 

[AStrangeverse]

Sealing is a case by case thing, and we use only feats said sealing has showcased. If the sealing never showcased to stop time hax, then we should not assume it magically does.

bullshit

then yall need to come to a consensus regarding these abilities, cuz different people bring different points

but if it magically ain't gonna work, then what about transmutation?

 

[StrymULTRA]

That's like saying every time manipulator can just rewind themselves out of sealing

They can if the sealer has no feats.

 

[AStrangeverse]

They can if the sealer has no feats.

that same logic should be applied to time manipulators as well

tf can they do with time if they're sealed?

it's an incap for a reason

 

[Robo432343]

Anways I am tired of repeating my stuff. I am out of here

bro conceded

 

[StrymULTRA]

that same logic should be applied to time manipulators as well

tf can they do with time if they're sealed?

it's an incap for a reason

If the sealing is just trapping people in a place, it should have 0 reasons to assume it can null their powers outta nowhere.

 

[AStrangeverse]

If the sealing is just trapping people in a place, it should have 0 reasons to assume it can null their powers outta nowhere.

it's.. an incap

they wouldn't be able to use their powers because.. they're incapacitated to begin with..

 

[StrymULTRA]

Incapacitated to move, not to use powers.

 

[AStrangeverse]

Incapacitated to move, not to use powers.

bull ass logic

then why not just give him resistance to that shit then nah, don't even answer that

what about transmutation then

 

[Comiphorous]

bull ass logic

then why not just give him resistance to that shit then nah, don't even answer that

idk why a thought based ability would be negged by a physical incap...

 

[AStrangeverse]

idk why a thought based ability would be negged by a physical incap...

what about transmutation then

answer, por favor

 

[Comiphorous]

answer, por favor

Well which transmutation would he use? for whatever reason it's listed like 4 times on his profile. which is annoying as ****, by the way.

 

[AStrangeverse]

Well which transmutation would he use? for whatever reason it's listed like 4 times on his profile. which is annoying as ****, by the way.

organizational reasons, if it's that bad and ya wanna complain, don't bother reading it

aside from that, he'd most likely go for the Gold Flower