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The argument is that a fraction of the thing you insist that Bowser scales even at base harmed him while he was amped.
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Mario CRT (Low 2-C Upgrade)
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The last part of my sentence covers this. Also, i've been neutral this whole time, waiting for your argument specifically. And i'm still iffy on them scaling at base, I would prefer it to the amped version.
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If people just tried to upgrade amped versions of Mario or Bowser it would be less controversial the problem is that they want Base Mario to be stronger than Power Star / Grand Star people which leads to a circular scaling where Mario is weaker than himself. (Mario can't simultaneously be slightly weaker / comparable to Base Bowser and stronger than Amped Bowser and likewise the same applies to Bowser's strength in relation to Mario).
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We let Sonic become stronger in base form then 7 Chaos Emeralds so
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Different verses, tbf.
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Chaos Emeralds have different mechanics
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Stop mentioning Sonic in every Mario thread, period
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where tf did u come from?
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Oh shit a sonic fan is here, run away!
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Bowser was not amped in the SMG final boss
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damn i didn't know sonic was a mario character
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Oh hey a whataboutism argument led to derailment, who could’ve predicted this?
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Fine
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I would make a derail on saying a character is wanked but nah
Count Bleck is wanked
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Let's focus guys.
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Ok so we have:
Black jewel already accepted as low 2-C
The cast surviving the incomplete void which is low 2-C
Grand stars and it's users are already accepted as low 2-C.
Nothing suggests that they used a fraction of it or "tiny" like matt exaggerates espacially since they have the whole power source inside them not just a part of it
Black jewel already accepted as low 2-C
The cast surviving the incomplete void which is low 2-C
Grand stars and it's users are already accepted as low 2-C.
Nothing suggests that they used a fraction of it or "tiny" like matt exaggerates espacially since they have the whole power source inside them not just a part of it
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Starsprite seems to have the most logical argument here, though i'll wait for more input.
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The Black Jewel is rated as flat out Low 2-C in Attack Potency
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A single Pure Heart isn't 2-B, nor probably any tier since they don't amp you unless you have all 7.
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Wait wait wait, Matt. Why would we need to prove Grand Star users are Low 2-C if they don't have anti-feats as far as I'm aware. And why would we need to prove they use all of its power when that's a natural assumption when absorbing something. Mind proving either of these?
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I agree with everything the OP has proposed.
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if it isn't clear already i agree with the OP
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Everything about the game suggests it. Bowser doesn't scale. And again you like to pretend that there is a consensus with staff where there is none.
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You need to prove your positives. To prove positives you need direct feats.
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The burden of proof is on you to prove that fact. Where the evidence is now, the most obvious answer is that Bowser does in-fact scale.
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If its accepted on the wiki, then YOU need to disprove it. Not us.
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I'm talking about grand star amped bowser buddy, the cutscenes suggest that he fully absorbed it, now the burden of proof is on you
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Nosir, I don't need to prove what's unnecessary and something we naturally assume. WE don't need to prove they don't have anti-feats nor that they don't use a part of it, that's what YOU need to prove. You're the one making the claims that require specific evidence for specific arguments, so prove it.
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You have no arguments. Bowser doesn't scale to the Grand Star, to ignore the context of the game is to be willingly dishonest. As such none of the other lesser bosses scale as well.
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Dishonest?
Like you said that bowser was amped in smg final boss fight while he wasn't?
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And we're not talking about scaling him to the grand star in his base at this moment, we're talking about his amped version
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You guy's argument is that Base Bowser scales to something which even a fraction of could harm him. There is no evidence that he scales.
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And yet I know you will retroactively circle scale it to Base. That's what you want. This whole conversation is dishonest. And there is nothing new brought to the table here.
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A low 2-C harming a Low 2-C? Crazy.
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ad hominem
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Bowser has no Low 2-C feats. The reactor harming him shows that him scaling to something that is not even confirmed to have hit him is absurd.
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Why doesn't he scale again? He keeps up with Mario who's defeated other users. Oh, I'm being dishonest and ignoring context? Okay, point me to what I am ignoring.
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