No, not really. I have official sources from the games, from the manuals (which have NO official Japanese sources to contradict it, as previously stated) and other supplementary media which just support what’s already said in the games & manuals further.
The sources in the games that don't say it's an amp.
The manuals which you keep saying don't actually exist so they're unusable.
Supplementary media contradicts your claims, the fact you think otherwise is a cognitive bias, unironically every statement in regards to GML is talking about abilities, or with the context clarified, would just mean the abilities it gives.
I don’t really have to prove anything here, you, as the person arguing against my points, have to show the burden of proof that my scans/links are wrong, which you aren’t doing. For all your begging of scans I actually haven’t seen you post a single one.
Oh, but you do, it's a CRT, your VERY JOB is to prove it, otherwise it won't get accepted.
Your scans are wrong because they don't confirm, state or even really imply there's a insane amp going on and it's just false equivalences and disconnected examples, most of which aren't even Luma's
That's why they're wrong, gg ez, done, but I don't even have to do that as you haven't actually PROVEN ANYTHING to begin with.
And yeah? I don't need to post anything? Again, it's on you to post the statement saying it's an amp, not on me to post a statement saying it ISNT an amp
also everyone else posted the scans ive been using for me, no need to double post it
I actually would have dug up every Japanese scan possible if I was the one to make this thread as I initially planned to, I typically try to be as comprehensive as possible for this shit, but considering I already mentioned that someone beat me to it and I was unprepared ahead of time, here I am.
Then don't complain.
Sorry that I didn’t get the chance to check every ******* Japanese scan beforehand, but I don’t see you going to try to do it either.
Well of course I'm not gonna do it, I'm not the person arguing for it lmao, the burden of proof is on you. When sticking with english statements only, we get told what it does, so that's how it be.
You disagree, you think it doesn't, so it's on you to dig through shit to find if it says it or not.
All I see is you doing a lot of disingenuous “oh, well it COULD be different in the other version !”
Disingenuous? It seems you misunderstand, I ain't arguing for that, I'm calling you out on the fact you're using english EXCLUSIVE, in your own words, statements, and how usually we use japanese shit for japanese products, and if the lines don't actually exist in japanese, we'd normally just toss them, kinda like Piccolo's SBC being stated to be lightspeed in the eng dub, we don't use that as it's eng only.
I saw this in response to YOUR claims, you brought this issue up, not me.
And I never once said it could be different
at least that wasn't what i meant if i did, but i dont recall actually saying those words, that's you, funny enough, strawmanning, I quite frankly don't care what it says, I'm fine with using the eng stuff atm, as long as it has an equivalent for japanese and not made up, but you've said otherwise so...
But good point, it COULD say something different, so get to it ig.
While not showing any proof of that difference.
Because I don't have to? What world do you live in where it's up to other people to prove what the originals say? It should be you posting it as it's you making a claim that something is the way it is.
Unless you’re bringing proof of that difference you have no reason to speak up about it besides attempting to disingenuously belittle a point because you can’t think of a proper counter argument for it.
My dude, my argument and counterpoint is you're literally just grasping at straws and doing a jigsaw puzzle between a bunch of disconnected examples and false equivalences to say that it MUST be an amp despite the lack of actual confirmation while ignoring the contradictions, widely varying changes between that has cross scaling unrelated things moot all while ignoring how we already KNOW what it does, and it ain't what you're arguing.
I've already made enough counter-arguments, I don't need to anymore. Post a statement or start digging through the raws and pray you find something there instead is basically what I'm getting at.
At this point you’re just saying shit. There’s nothing inconsistent with the statements of the Lumas granting the power of the stars nor them granting abilities alongside that.
Oh, but there is. Do you not realize that if "power of the stars", which, to be blunt, is nothing but your headcanon, CONSISTENTLY doing DIFFERENT things, and in this very case, doing widely different things compared to ALL your examples given, in which they've even gone on record to denote the very things it DID do, Then, as we would do with any other verse, would make it a REQUIREMENT for a statement to be given, but as odd as it might be, the fact that we do get a statement, multiple, that lacks such a claim is evidence enough they are not the same.
And no, not how it works, you don't get to go "well it granted power these times, so hypothetically it could here too", that's again, again, confirmative bias.
Your entire argument against mine hinges on “it can’t be an amp because it provides abilities” and “it can’t be an amp because you can defeat bosses using things besides the spin move”.
Strawman, that or a very bad reading comprehension.
That's part of the argument, but maybe like, 10%? But be that as it may, that could unironically be the extent of everything I've said and it'd still have more merit than your argument which is based on nothing but headcanon and wild extrapolation.
I still don’t get how your argument of Bowser fighting unamped in Galaxy 1 would matter either, especially when it would just blatantly become an outlier for the character otherwise.
Because he's unamped? You answered your own question. And no, it'd ONLY be an outlier if Mario was amped untold magnitudes, but if he isn't amped, then there's no issue, this is, as with all your arguments, self fufilling. It's a circular argument, by definition, you argue because it's an amped it's an outlier, and because it's and outlier it must be an amp.
Unironic repeat of what was said above, already argued it.
How about you post scans and proof that my argument is wrong instead of just talking in circles, show irrefutable in game evidence I’m wrong.
Bowser can be hurt by non spin attack, bam.
The multiple instances of clarifying what GML gave doesn't list what you're suggesting, bam.
What GML does is explicitly and demonstrably different from power and grand stars, bam.
Bowser is unamped in galaxy 1 yet can fight the alleged amp mario, bam.
Like jesus christ, I could list shit all day. But I don't have to, burden of proof is on you, you're arguing he got amped, but no such statement actually exists, in fact there's a blatant absence of it, all while having a handful of contradictions to the claim as well. This is nobody's burden but your own.
Show that the multiple statements in the games, manuals, website, etc saying that the Luma grants power,
and the empirical evidence that Fuji brought up is factually incorrect a
I would love if that was true, but listing off examples, and then going "oh but you MUST ignore these ones because uh they debunk my own argument" isn't empirical evidence, it's flat-out cherry picking.
and it’s explicitly hard confirmed that the Luma only grants a couple abilities.
Yes, because that's the only thing they state it does, and they say verbatim what it gives, that being abilities, no mention of stat boost of magnitudes, which ngl, you'd think is KIND OF IMPORTANT as you've said multiple times, and you can't cross-scale it to disconnected examples as, well, it's an actual wiki rule? Also headcanon.
Because clearly we aren’t going to get anywhere like this otherwise and I’m frankly already sick of it. I’d rather start getting mods in here soon
There's already a mod in here
And he agrees with me, not you
I'll say it again, post a statement saying he got amped, it's THAT easy, it's all we need, nothing more, nothing less. Arguing power star in 64 amps so GML should too ain't gonna cut it
you're also ignoring the luma's and "power of the stars" that don't amp in other games as well, because GML ain't a stand alone exception
