Marineford Whitebeard Feats Re-Calculations

[Damage3245]

This thread is just to suggest that we replace the current calcs used for Whitebeard here, with these ones done by Arc7Kuroi.

As linked in Arc7Kuroi's calc, the reasoning for replacing the calculation is that the previous method of calculating the size of the battleships is less reliable due to the perspective of the panel as explained in this post by Deceived3596.

The new method uses the canon height of the Merry Go, compared to the battleships which are in line with the Merry Go making it a more accurate scaling.

As Whitebeard's profile isn't rated off of these calcs, we don't need to change any values. We'd just need to replace the links to the calcs on his page and the verse page if accepted.

@DemonGodMitchAubin @CloverDragon03 Would you two be able to assist with evaluating this please?


And I promise to get back to MHA soon Clover, but I was pressured into making this thread.

 

[Arc7Kuroi]

but I was pressured into making this thread.

 

[Arnoldstone18]

Both of you are bullies fr fr

 

[SuperStar]

And I promise to get back to MHA soon Clover, but I was pressured into making this thread.

L

 

[Eminiteable]

The battleship hull "line" being only 2 meters bigger the the merry feels inconsistent when looking at the other comparison shots of the two in that arc (Although admittedly I haven't pixel scaled this to confirm whether or not that's true):

 

[Damage3245]

The shot that Arc7 used is the clearest shot given to us as far as I'm aware.

 

[Eminiteable]

The shot that Arc7 used is the clearest shot given to us as far as I'm aware.

It's a clean shot, but being clean doesn't equate to accuracy. Other shots in the arc (and series) portray the ship's hull line being significantly larger and not comparable like the shot used in the calc.

 

[DemonGodMitchAubin]

I mean sure

 

[Kachon123]

I agree with Emin here. The battleships are portrayed and drawn as much larger than the Merry. It being 2 meters just means that the scan Arc used is inaccurate.

 

[Arc7Kuroi]

Someone, not me , should compile all the pre-TS comparisons of marine warships to stuff with known sizes

 

[Damage3245]

Here we have a straightforward comparison of the Battleship to the 19.5 m tall Saul:

And here is a battleship next to the 60 m tall Little Oars Jr:

Either way you look at it, that striped portion of the Battleship is not over 60 m tall as it is in the current calc.

So I say we either update the calcs with Arc7's version or remove the calcs altogether.

 

[Kachon123]

Either way you look at it, that striped portion of the Battleship is not over 60 m tall.

I don’t doubt that, but 13 meters is clearly wrong as well.

 

[Damage3245]

I don’t doubt that, but 13 meters is clearly wrong as well.

I don't agree. In both other example pics, that portion of the Battleship looks around that size.


It's just in smaller, less detailed panels where the sizes are off.

If you're arguing that the battleships are so inconsistent that we can't use any scaled size, then do you want us to just not use the calcs at all?

 

[Kachon123]

If you're arguing that the battleships are so inconsistent that we can't use any scaled size

I never said this.

 

[Damage3245]

I never said this.

Gotcha. How big do you think it should be?

 

[Kachon123]

Gotcha. How big do you think it should be?

Given how big it is shown compared to the Merry, I just really don’t think a mere 2 meters larger is accurate in the slightest.

 

[Eminiteable]

Someone, not me , should compile all the pre-TS comparisons of marine warships to stuff with known sizes

The post-timeskip Warships are also valid as we see we can compare it to the Kuja ship in both the pre-timeskip and post-timeskip which shows the battleships are roughly the same size (Plus they're identical)

Here we have a straightforward comparison of the Battleship to the 19.5 m tall Saul:

This is also a warship from 22 years ago. With it being worth noting that the size differences 2 years prior to this scan showed a very noticeable size dissimilarity to what we see during Marineford:

And here is a battleship next to the 60 m tall Little Oars Jr:

Unless I'm mistaken Oars Jr's size was already discussed as being too inconsistent in this thread:

https://vsbattles.com/threads/one-piece-kaishin-calcs.113548/

 

[Arc7Kuroi]

The post-timeskip Warships are also valid as we see we can compare it to the Kuja ship in both the pre-timeskip and post-timeskip which shows the battleships are roughly the same size (Plus they're identical)

 

[Damage3245]

Unless I'm mistaken Oars Jr's size was already discussed as being too inconsistent in this thread:
https://vsbattles.com/threads/one-piece-kaishin-calcs.113548/

I don't agree with that.

 

[Stryker861]

This seems mostly fine to me although I can see what people mean by it being a lowballed size

And I promise to get back to MHA soon Clover, but I was Harassed into making this thread.

Ducking and and dodging at its finest

 

[Deceived3596]

as explained in this post by Deceived3596

 

[Eminiteable]

Someone, not me , should compile all the pre-TS comparisons of marine warships to stuff with known sizes

There's too many for me to want to compile them all, but besides the ones I brought up before comparing the merry during Enies Lobby I know there are quite a few comparison shots with the Polar tang which we know is a comparable size to the Sunny:

 

[Stryker861]

There's too many for me to want to compile them all, but besides the ones I brought up before comparing the merry during Enies Lobby I know there are quite a few comparison shots with the Polar tang which we know is a comparable size to the Sunny:

3rd shot looks usable

 

[Arc7Kuroi]

Maybe my eyes are just bad, but for the most part the striped sides of the ship seem to be only slightly larger than Law’s ship which you say is comparable to the Going Merry. To me they look mostly consistent with the shot I used for pixel scaling. Maybe I’m tripping but that’s kinda what I’m seeing.

 

[Eminiteable]

Maybe my eyes are just bad, but for the most part the striped sides of the ship seem to be only slightly larger than Law’s ship which you say is comparable to the Going Merry. To me they look mostly consistent with the shot I used for pixel scaling. Maybe I’m tripping but that’s kinda what I’m seeing.

The Polar Tang is comparable to the thousand sunny, not merry.

 

[Arc7Kuroi]

The Polar Tang is comparable to the thousand sunny, not merry.

Ohhh I gotcha, you got a comparison shot between the two for me lol

 

[Eminiteable]

Ohhh I gotcha, you got a comparison shot between the two for m

Here:

 

[Arc7Kuroi]

BUmp

 

[Damage3245]

With Mitch's agreement on it, I'm pretty sure this can be applied.

I'll update the verse page & Whitebeard's profile now.

EDIT: Changes applied. Closing the thread.