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Maou Gakuin Discussion Thread

Delta333 said:
And not to mention, each layer is already accepted as 2-A so the Silver Sea being 2-A only should be wrong since it would mean the size of each layer and the size of the Sea itself are the same (and there is no gap between countable and uncountable infinite so no higher 2-A cosmology).
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Thats not really a valid reasoning as it would still be a 2-A cosmology even with those. You should use Elenesia's feat instead, where she can see the entirety of a layer but not all of the SS.
 
Oblivion_Of_The_Endless said:
Thats not really a valid reasoning as it would still be a 2-A cosmology even with those. You should use Elenesia's feat instead, where she can see the entirety of a layer but not all of the SS.
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How so? There is no higher 2-A cosmology so I'm not sure why it still remains as 2-A
Also which chapter is about seeing the entire layer? I kind of remember that part but don't remember the chapter
 
Oblivion_Of_The_Endless said:
Thats not really a valid reasoning as it would still be a 2-A cosmology even with those. You should use Elenesia's feat instead, where she can see the entirety of a layer but not all of the SS.
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Isn't anos besbed not working on Magic bullet world because of reality of the world work? I mean shallow layers haxes not even able to hurt deeper layers skin.


Well I hope we get a direct statement in next volume.
 
Delta333 said:
How so? There is no higher 2-A cosmology so I'm not sure why it still remains as 2-A
Also which chapter is about seeing the entire layer? I kind of remember that part but don't remember the chapter
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Infinite + Infinite = Infinite. There are 99 infinite multiverses (sets in this case) but you can still pair them all so everything ends up being the same size.

676
 
Btw do you have the actual translation for that part? I mean I can use the MTL but I feel like it's somewhat lame

The Silver Water Sacred Sea is vast.
Endlessly vast.
Even with her own eyes, which are so well trained on her own world, she is unable to even guess at the full extent of it.
Its endlessness felt to her like the distance to peace.
No matter how much we seek peace, we will never reach it. This silver sea is so endless that it seems that way.
 
Delta333 said:
Btw do you have the actual translation for that part? I mean I can use the MTL but I feel like it's somewhat lame

The Silver Water Sacred Sea is vast.
Endlessly vast.
Even with her own eyes, which are so well trained on her own world, she is unable to even guess at the full extent of it.
Its endlessness felt to her like the distance to peace.
No matter how much we seek peace, we will never reach it. This silver sea is so endless that it seems that way.
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銀水聖海は広い。

　果てしなく広大だ。

　自らの世界にならくまなく行き届いた彼女の神眼めをもってすら、その全貌を予想することさえできない。

　その果てしなさは、彼女には平和までの距離に感じられた。

　どれだけ平和を求めても、そこには永遠にたどり着けない。そんな風に思えてしまうほどに、この銀海は果てしない。

The silver water sacred sea is wide.

　It is endlessly vast.

　Even with her God's eye, which is well penetrated throughout her own world, she is unable to predict the whole picture.

Its endlessness felt to her like a distance to peace.

　No matter how much we seek peace, we will never get there. This silver sea is so endless that it seems that way.

Well it's above baseline infinite size
 
In explanation of silver sea the author use
"果てしなさ" or endless-ness (chapter 676)

So silver sea not just infinite/endless but the infinite of infinite/endless of endless

I think that mean higher infinite
 
Fixxed said:
In explanation of silver sea the author use
"果てしなさ" or endless-ness (chapter 676)

So silver sea not just infinite/endless but the infinite of infinite/endless of endless

I think that mean higher infinite
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So the silver sea is higher infinite in space, that mean higher dimension= 5D
And have 1 plus time dimension=6D
 
Fixxed said:
In explanation of silver sea the author use
"果てしなさ" or endless-ness (chapter 676)

So silver sea not just infinite/endless but the infinite of infinite/endless of endless

I think that mean higher infinite
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The silver water sacred sea is wide.

　It is endlessly vast.

This statement looks like referring to both layers and size of Silver sea.

I mean silver sea is infinite and layers also infinite.
 
6-D is too much tbh, 5-D is easier to manage for now
Although tbh only 99*infinite baseline 2-A getting accepted is already good, so if Null is fine with it then I will post
 
Delta333 said:
Although tbh only 99*infinite baseline 2-A getting accepted is already good, so if Null is fine with it then I will post
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I just want the infinitely above baseline atm, also idk where's Null but he's fine with 2-A.
 
Delta333 said:
Infinite baseline 2-A

1. So we know that the Silver Sea has an infinite size and currently the gap between each layer is countless, theoretically, the Silver Sea can house an infinite amount of layers (based on the similar logic that makes the cosmology become 2-A currently) so it will make the potency of Anos' hax become an infinite baseline.

2. Another way is that the order in the shallow world is infinitely weaker (限りなく= infinitely, endlessly) than the order in the deeper world, so it will make the hax being 99+*infinite baseline. You may argue that 99+*infinite baseline and infinite baseline are the same, however, fiction may doesn't really care about math like how we have 2-A scaling chains so yea, the hax potency will be higher than infinity.

Low 1-C

The Silver Sea has its own separate space-time and contains countless smaller space-times in the form of bubbles within it (it should be noted that the Sea can house infinite bubbles since each layer can house infinite of them) :

"In the Silver Water Holy Sea, it is only about 14,000 years old."
A questioning look appeared on Sasha.
Then Misha explained.
"Luna fell into the Elenesia World 14,000 years ago."
"...Oh, I see, that's right... Huh? But I was certain that the Militia World is 700 million years old since its creation...?"
"Perhaps time is out of sync."
"...Well, for example, when a day passes in the 7th of Elenesia, a year or even longer passes in the Militia World?"
"Simply put, yes. However, I haven't been able to confirm any discrepancy in time between the small worlds we have visited so far and the Militia World. One second here in the 7th of Elenesia is exactly the same as one second in the Militia World."
Sasha looked more and more puzzled.
"Then, what do you mean?"
"A discrepancy in time somehow occurred once. And now, it's back to normal, I guess."
For example, if nearly 700 million years have passed only in the Militia World, while time has stopped in this Silver Sea, it would make sense.
It's not certain if the Militia World accelerated or if the other small worlds stopped.

So it would make the Silver Sea Low 1-C due to having two temporal dimensions within it (similar to the gap between 3-D and 4-D).

And not to mention, each layer is already accepted as 2-A so the Silver Sea being 2-A only should be wrong since it would mean the size of each layer and the size of the Sea itself are the same (and there is no gap between countable and uncountable infinite so no higher 2-A cosmology).

1-B

A spell that can destroy an entire world from a shallow layer (which means space-time in this case) can't destroy a normal ship in a deeper layer

I jumped back lightly and dodged it.
At least it should have been, but a crossed light grazed my toes, freezing me to my right knee.
Was my body heavy?
Did they do something? No, this was something else.
"You can't use your magic or your body the way you use it."
Balzarondo instantly moved in front of me right as I fell to my knees.
No magic was used. It was just plain speed.
"Hmm. I thought I was just a little out of shape." "In this small world, which exists deeper than your small world, the power of everything is in another dimension. Strength, speed, toughness, magic power, everything. Even the resistance of a grain of air would be a weight to you. If you unleash your shallow, world-destroying magic, you will not be able to destroy a single ship here."

In other words, a spell that can destroy a structure with uncountable infinite size (space-time) in the shallow layer can't destroy a finite object (ship) in the deeper layer, it doesn't have any meaning beyond the fact that the gap between each layer is uncountable infinite. Btw, I have already read the old thread and I can tell that no one actually argues much about it so don't show me the old thread again.

Also if you remember what I said earlier, the gap of orders between two layers is already infinite (just not elaborate on whether countable or uncountable infinite).

High 1-B

Since the size of the Sea is infinite, thus it can contain infinite layers
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Why you want to rush to upgrade Anos to tier 1?

Do you want Anos stomp Pokemon?
 
Don't know how i'd feel about Low 1-C Anos considering his hax will be baseline or above baseline. So pretty weak even in 5D let alone 6D.
 
It's not exactly a rush if all of the information has existed for year
Also I care more about accuracy rather than whether he's strong in that tier or not, although if you compare him to Arceus he still stomps since sad Llama barely has any 5-D hax
 
🗿 If you guys are really obsessed with layers hax then I will drop the tier 1 and make the infinite baseline hax only (in case the second way is accepted then he would be 99+*infinite baseline 4-D rather than just baseline infinite)
 
EldemadeDityjon said:
Each layers are arguably has size of low 1C. They hold infinite 4D structure in infinitesimal. Well don't know how wiki treats it.
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My reasoning is that the Silver Sea has two temporal dimensions and is bigger than 2-A structures, it doesn't have anything to do with layer being tier 1
 
He will lose it if he becomes tier 1 tho, but as I said I may not do it for the sake of layers hax 🗿 Also why do we talk like Low 1-C is already a thing
 
Delta333 said:
He will lose it if he becomes tier 1 tho, but as I said I may not do it for the sake of layers hax 🗿 Also why do we talk like Low 1-C is already a thing
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Why would he loose it? Layers are Infinitely Above infinite 4D structure each layer are qualified for low 1C. I don't see how he would loose 99+ layers of Silver Sea potency if it becomes low 1C.

So you are saying we consider Silver Sea as low 1C but not it's layers ? That doesn't make Sense.

Anyway we have waited for this much time wait for 2 more weeks in new volume may have new information and someone is buying volume 11. We may get direct statement for Transcendency between layers.
 
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