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Maou Gakuin Discussion Thread

Grahams nothingness far surpassed his TD2, right? If the TD3 isn’t exclusive to 1-a characters anymore wouldn’t Anos and Graham qualify for it? If they do qualify, won’t grahams nothingness far surpass TD3 aswell?
 
Dereck03 said:
I think it would be better to try to upgrade the SS layers to theoretically infinite. You've already did it with the universes, now it's your turn with the layers.
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I mean I have another way for infinite baseline conceptual hax without infinite layers of SS tho. Almost a year ago I used to say that the gap between two layers should be infinite and now I still don't change that opinion.

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Delta333 said:
I mean I have another way for infinite baseline conceptual hax without infinite layers of SS tho. Almost a year ago I used to said that the gap between two layers should be infinite and now I still don't change that opinion.

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But iirc that was limited to just the order of reincarnation.
 
Delta333 said:
I mean I have another way for infinite baseline conceptual hax without infinite layers of SS tho. Almost a year ago I used to said that the gap between two layers should be infinite and now I still don't change that opinion.

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You know if you argue layer 0 has infinite bubbles then one bubble in layer 1 would have that much AP & durability.
 
Dereck03 said:
So we can argue that all order are now infinitely stronger in potency?
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If you consider layers each world has limited order deeper layers should have atleast uncountable layers of resistance.

For example eve zenio and hyfollia being in a same layer. You adjusting to one world wouldn't give advantage to you to fight all world in a layer you need to adjust to all worlds in single layer.
 
Remember that scan. Was also thinking it could be used as another evidence for infinitly layered hax. Would it be a bigger infinity because of difference of layers or would it stay the same infinity?
 
Is there even higher potency then infinite layers(without going into higher dimensions)? Don't dnd or destiny guys have that duo to being at the apex of infinite layers or does that just give them infinite layers?
 
As far as I know all countable infinites are same, hence cosmology that's higher baseline 2-A is not a thing, so hax potency should be similar
 
Yeah if it get accepted then i think it will become countless infinite supperiority per layer

Because a layer have countless bubble and bubble in layer 1 and 2 have infinite gap
 
Our Boy Graham still missing some abilities ☠️☠️☠️ can't believe it. Gonna add it when I make a thread for Sasha.

Also damn it's gonna be a lot of work listing major abilities in his notable attacks and all. Hm copy pasting from Anos profile would lower the workload.
 
I think arnos and other char and MGF verse profile it self for now is missing many term and tier explanation

I dont even think that reach of 60% potencial of the verse(volume 1-14) have

So we must create many CRT to add them for make the profile complete
 
Atm I just want infinite hax potency or infinite layers or plot. After that, do what you want.
 
Fixxed said:
I think arnos and other char and MGF verse profile it self for now is missing many term and tier explanation

I dont even think that reach of 60% potencial of the verse(volume 1-14) have

So we must create many CRT to add them for make the profile complete
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I am happy to help out on abilities addition If someone creates profile for other characters.
 
Lmao Evansmana can only null Anos power it can't affect his destiny even though it is stated to cut off pre determined fate 🥱

Another proof for Acausality type 5.
 
Infinite baseline 2-A

1. So we know that the Silver Sea has an infinite size and currently the gap between each layer is countless, theoretically, the Silver Sea can house an infinite amount of layers (based on the similar logic that makes the cosmology become 2-A currently) so it will make the potency of Anos' hax become an infinite baseline.

2. Another way is that the order in the shallow world is infinitely weaker (限りなく= infinitely, endlessly) than the order in the deeper world, so it will make the hax being 99+*infinite baseline. You may argue that 99+*infinite baseline and infinite baseline are the same, however, fiction may doesn't really care about math like how we have 2-A scaling chains so yea, the hax potency will be higher than infinity.

Low 1-C

The Silver Sea has its own separate space-time and contains countless smaller space-times in the form of bubbles within it (it should be noted that the Sea can house infinite bubbles since each layer can house infinite of them) :

"In the Silver Water Holy Sea, it is only about 14,000 years old."
A questioning look appeared on Sasha.
Then Misha explained.
"Luna fell into the Elenesia World 14,000 years ago."
"...Oh, I see, that's right... Huh? But I was certain that the Militia World is 700 million years old since its creation...?"
"Perhaps time is out of sync."
"...Well, for example, when a day passes in the 7th of Elenesia, a year or even longer passes in the Militia World?"
"Simply put, yes. However, I haven't been able to confirm any discrepancy in time between the small worlds we have visited so far and the Militia World. One second here in the 7th of Elenesia is exactly the same as one second in the Militia World."
Sasha looked more and more puzzled.
"Then, what do you mean?"
"A discrepancy in time somehow occurred once. And now, it's back to normal, I guess."
For example, if nearly 700 million years have passed only in the Militia World, while time has stopped in this Silver Sea, it would make sense.
It's not certain if the Militia World accelerated or if the other small worlds stopped.

So it would make the Silver Sea Low 1-C due to having two temporal dimensions within it (similar to the gap between 3-D and 4-D).

And not to mention, each layer is already accepted as 2-A so the Silver Sea being 2-A only should be wrong since it would mean the size of each layer and the size of the Sea itself are the same (and there is no gap between countable and uncountable infinite so no higher 2-A cosmology).

1-B

A spell that can destroy an entire world from a shallow layer (which means space-time in this case) can't destroy a normal ship in a deeper layer

I jumped back lightly and dodged it.
At least it should have been, but a crossed light grazed my toes, freezing me to my right knee.
Was my body heavy?
Did they do something? No, this was something else.
"You can't use your magic or your body the way you use it."
Balzarondo instantly moved in front of me right as I fell to my knees.
No magic was used. It was just plain speed.
"Hmm. I thought I was just a little out of shape." "In this small world, which exists deeper than your small world, the power of everything is in another dimension. Strength, speed, toughness, magic power, everything. Even the resistance of a grain of air would be a weight to you. If you unleash your shallow, world-destroying magic, you will not be able to destroy a single ship here."

In other words, a spell that can destroy a structure with uncountable infinite size (space-time) in the shallow layer can't destroy a finite object (ship) in the deeper layer, it doesn't have any meaning beyond the fact that the gap between each layer is uncountable infinite. Btw, I have already read the old thread and I can tell that no one actually argues much about it so don't show me the old thread again.

Also if you remember what I said earlier, the gap of orders between two layers is already infinite (just not elaborate on whether countable or uncountable infinite).

High 1-B

Since the size of the Sea is infinite, thus it can contain infinite layers
 
Delta333 said:
Infinite baseline 2-A

1. So we know that the Silver Sea has an infinite size and currently the gap between each layer is countless, theoretically, the Silver Sea can house an infinite amount of layers (based on the similar logic that makes the cosmology become 2-A currently) so it will make the potency of Anos' hax become an infinite baseline.

2. Another way is that the order in the shallow world is infinitely weaker (限りなく= infinitely, endlessly) than the order in the deeper world, so it will make the hax being 99+*infinite baseline. You may argue that 99+*infinite baseline and infinite baseline are the same, however, fiction may doesn't really care about math like how we have 2-A scaling chains so yea, the hax potency will be higher than infinity.

Low 1-C

The Silver Sea has its own separate space-time and contains countless smaller space-times in the form of bubbles within it (it should be noted that the Sea can house infinite bubbles since each layer can house infinite of them) :

"In the Silver Water Holy Sea, it is only about 14,000 years old."
A questioning look appeared on Sasha.
Then Misha explained.
"Luna fell into the Elenesia World 14,000 years ago."
"...Oh, I see, that's right... Huh? But I was certain that the Militia World is 700 million years old since its creation...?"
"Perhaps time is out of sync."
"...Well, for example, when a day passes in the 7th of Elenesia, a year or even longer passes in the Militia World?"
"Simply put, yes. However, I haven't been able to confirm any discrepancy in time between the small worlds we have visited so far and the Militia World. One second here in the 7th of Elenesia is exactly the same as one second in the Militia World."
Sasha looked more and more puzzled.
"Then, what do you mean?"
"A discrepancy in time somehow occurred once. And now, it's back to normal, I guess."
For example, if nearly 700 million years have passed only in the Militia World, while time has stopped in this Silver Sea, it would make sense.
It's not certain if the Militia World accelerated or if the other small worlds stopped.

So it would make the Silver Sea Low 1-C due to having two temporal dimensions within it (similar to the gap between 3-D and 4-D).

And not to mention, each layer is already accepted as 2-A so the Silver Sea being 2-A only should be wrong since it would mean the size of each layer and the size of the Sea itself are the same (and there is no gap between countable and uncountable infinite so no higher 2-A cosmology).

1-B

A spell that can destroy an entire world from a shallow layer (which means space-time in this case) can't destroy a normal ship in a deeper layer

I jumped back lightly and dodged it.
At least it should have been, but a crossed light grazed my toes, freezing me to my right knee.
Was my body heavy?
Did they do something? No, this was something else.
"You can't use your magic or your body the way you use it."
Balzarondo instantly moved in front of me right as I fell to my knees.
No magic was used. It was just plain speed.
"Hmm. I thought I was just a little out of shape." "In this small world, which exists deeper than your small world, the power of everything is in another dimension. Strength, speed, toughness, magic power, everything. Even the resistance of a grain of air would be a weight to you. If you unleash your shallow, world-destroying magic, you will not be able to destroy a single ship here."

In other words, a spell that can destroy a structure with uncountable infinite size (space-time) in the shallow layer can't destroy a finite object (ship) in the deeper layer, it doesn't have any meaning beyond the fact that the gap between each layer is uncountable infinite. Btw, I have already read the old thread and I can tell that no one actually argues much about it so don't show me the old thread again.

Also if you remember what I said earlier, the gap of orders between two layers is already infinite (just not elaborate on whether countable or uncountable infinite).

High 1-B

Since the size of the Sea is infinite, thus it can contain infinite layers
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Idc about Tier 1 stuffs rn but the Infinite baseline 2-A yes. You could also use the author's explanation where he clearly states that there are many more layers than just the 99+.
 
Delta333 said:
Infinite baseline 2-A

1. So we know that the Silver Sea has an infinite size and currently the gap between each layer is countless, theoretically, the Silver Sea can house an infinite amount of layers (based on the similar logic that makes the cosmology become 2-A currently) so it will make the potency of Anos' hax become an infinite baseline.

2. Another way is that the order in the shallow world is infinitely weaker (限りなく= infinitely, endlessly) than the order in the deeper world, so it will make the hax being 99+*infinite baseline. You may argue that 99+*infinite baseline and infinite baseline are the same, however, fiction may doesn't really care about math like how we have 2-A scaling chains so yea, the hax potency will be higher than infinity.

Low 1-C

The Silver Sea has its own separate space-time and contains countless smaller space-times in the form of bubbles within it (it should be noted that the Sea can house infinite bubbles since each layer can house infinite of them) :

"In the Silver Water Holy Sea, it is only about 14,000 years old."
A questioning look appeared on Sasha.
Then Misha explained.
"Luna fell into the Elenesia World 14,000 years ago."
"...Oh, I see, that's right... Huh? But I was certain that the Militia World is 700 million years old since its creation...?"
"Perhaps time is out of sync."
"...Well, for example, when a day passes in the 7th of Elenesia, a year or even longer passes in the Militia World?"
"Simply put, yes. However, I haven't been able to confirm any discrepancy in time between the small worlds we have visited so far and the Militia World. One second here in the 7th of Elenesia is exactly the same as one second in the Militia World."
Sasha looked more and more puzzled.
"Then, what do you mean?"
"A discrepancy in time somehow occurred once. And now, it's back to normal, I guess."
For example, if nearly 700 million years have passed only in the Militia World, while time has stopped in this Silver Sea, it would make sense.
It's not certain if the Militia World accelerated or if the other small worlds stopped.

So it would make the Silver Sea Low 1-C due to having two temporal dimensions within it (similar to the gap between 3-D and 4-D).

And not to mention, each layer is already accepted as 2-A so the Silver Sea being 2-A only should be wrong since it would mean the size of each layer and the size of the Sea itself are the same (and there is no gap between countable and uncountable infinite so no higher 2-A cosmology).

1-B

A spell that can destroy an entire world from a shallow layer (which means space-time in this case) can't destroy a normal ship in a deeper layer

I jumped back lightly and dodged it.
At least it should have been, but a crossed light grazed my toes, freezing me to my right knee.
Was my body heavy?
Did they do something? No, this was something else.
"You can't use your magic or your body the way you use it."
Balzarondo instantly moved in front of me right as I fell to my knees.
No magic was used. It was just plain speed.
"Hmm. I thought I was just a little out of shape." "In this small world, which exists deeper than your small world, the power of everything is in another dimension. Strength, speed, toughness, magic power, everything. Even the resistance of a grain of air would be a weight to you. If you unleash your shallow, world-destroying magic, you will not be able to destroy a single ship here."

In other words, a spell that can destroy a structure with uncountable infinite size (space-time) in the shallow layer can't destroy a finite object (ship) in the deeper layer, it doesn't have any meaning beyond the fact that the gap between each layer is uncountable infinite. Btw, I have already read the old thread and I can tell that no one actually argues much about it so don't show me the old thread again.

Also if you remember what I said earlier, the gap of orders between two layers is already infinite (just not elaborate on whether countable or uncountable infinite).

High 1-B

Since the size of the Sea is infinite, thus it can contain infinite layers
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EldemadeDityjon said:
You know if you argue layer 0 has infinite bubbles then one bubble in layer 1 would have that much AP & durability.
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EldemadeDityjon said:
If you consider layers each world has limited order deeper layers should have atleast uncountable layers of resistance.

For example eve zenio and hyfollia being in a same layer. You adjusting to one world wouldn't give advantage to you to fight all world in a layer you need to adjust to all worlds in single layer.
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^^^^

For layers higher dimensional AP argument use this also. 1 bubble in deeper layers will have all shallow layer bubbles reality and order.
 
Delta333 said:
Infinite baseline 2-A

1. So we know that the Silver Sea has an infinite size and currently the gap between each layer is countless, theoretically, the Silver Sea can house an infinite amount of layers (based on the similar logic that makes the cosmology become 2-A currently) so it will make the potency of Anos' hax become an infinite baseline.

2. Another way is that the order in the shallow world is infinitely weaker (限りなく= infinitely, endlessly) than the order in the deeper world, so it will make the hax being 99+*infinite baseline. You may argue that 99+*infinite baseline and infinite baseline are the same, however, fiction may doesn't really care about math like how we have 2-A scaling chains so yea, the hax potency will be higher than infinity.

Low 1-C

The Silver Sea has its own separate space-time and contains countless smaller space-times in the form of bubbles within it (it should be noted that the Sea can house infinite bubbles since each layer can house infinite of them) :

"In the Silver Water Holy Sea, it is only about 14,000 years old."
A questioning look appeared on Sasha.
Then Misha explained.
"Luna fell into the Elenesia World 14,000 years ago."
"...Oh, I see, that's right... Huh? But I was certain that the Militia World is 700 million years old since its creation...?"
"Perhaps time is out of sync."
"...Well, for example, when a day passes in the 7th of Elenesia, a year or even longer passes in the Militia World?"
"Simply put, yes. However, I haven't been able to confirm any discrepancy in time between the small worlds we have visited so far and the Militia World. One second here in the 7th of Elenesia is exactly the same as one second in the Militia World."
Sasha looked more and more puzzled.
"Then, what do you mean?"
"A discrepancy in time somehow occurred once. And now, it's back to normal, I guess."
For example, if nearly 700 million years have passed only in the Militia World, while time has stopped in this Silver Sea, it would make sense.
It's not certain if the Militia World accelerated or if the other small worlds stopped.

So it would make the Silver Sea Low 1-C due to having two temporal dimensions within it (similar to the gap between 3-D and 4-D).

And not to mention, each layer is already accepted as 2-A so the Silver Sea being 2-A only should be wrong since it would mean the size of each layer and the size of the Sea itself are the same (and there is no gap between countable and uncountable infinite so no higher 2-A cosmology).

1-B

A spell that can destroy an entire world from a shallow layer (which means space-time in this case) can't destroy a normal ship in a deeper layer

I jumped back lightly and dodged it.
At least it should have been, but a crossed light grazed my toes, freezing me to my right knee.
Was my body heavy?
Did they do something? No, this was something else.
"You can't use your magic or your body the way you use it."
Balzarondo instantly moved in front of me right as I fell to my knees.
No magic was used. It was just plain speed.
"Hmm. I thought I was just a little out of shape." "In this small world, which exists deeper than your small world, the power of everything is in another dimension. Strength, speed, toughness, magic power, everything. Even the resistance of a grain of air would be a weight to you. If you unleash your shallow, world-destroying magic, you will not be able to destroy a single ship here."

In other words, a spell that can destroy a structure with uncountable infinite size (space-time) in the shallow layer can't destroy a finite object (ship) in the deeper layer, it doesn't have any meaning beyond the fact that the gap between each layer is uncountable infinite. Btw, I have already read the old thread and I can tell that no one actually argues much about it so don't show me the old thread again.

Also if you remember what I said earlier, the gap of orders between two layers is already infinite (just not elaborate on whether countable or uncountable infinite).

High 1-B

Since the size of the Sea is infinite, thus it can contain infinite layers
Click to expand...
Jesus that’s a large jump
 
Dereck03 said:
Idc about Tier 1 stuffs rn but the Infinite baseline 2-A yes. You could also use the author's explanation where he clearly states that there are many more layers than just the 99+.
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You want to refine Anos as much as possible before tier 1?
 
It's worth noting that Ultima once said the Silver Sea should be either 2-B or Low 1-C in Kingdom Heart CRT so in the worst scenario it may end up with a downgrade lol
 
Delta333 said:
It's worth noting that Ultima once said the Silver Sea should be either 2-B or Low 1-C in Kingdom Heart CRT so in the worst scenario it may end up with a downgrade lol
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I mean, we already have enough proof for solid 2-A than just Author explanation, also Null told me he still wants to upgrade the verse to solid 2-A, so not the case and so there is nothing to worry about.
 
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