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Maou Gakuin Discussion Thread

Tatsumi504 said:
Yeah, I went through the thread. What was rejected was immortality type 7.

Others suggested type 5 for it (though no one tried to apply it). Null was against type 5 immortality (not heavily). His reason was it not being literal which I disagree with.

The scan literally says "gods are immortal and don't even live".
This isn't metaphorical in anyway especially when its from militia (literally the 1st god to exist alongside avernyu) and nousgalia (the HFG who governs order) literally no god will be more knowledgeable than them, what's more they say it the exact same way without using different words or expressions to describe it. It also attributes their immortality to the fact they don't live.

All this is further supported by the gods having only been killed with EE and CM
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Alright. Seems it is reasonable. Ya, I agree with immortality type 5.
 
Orioreeem said:
Depends on how we view it. If Artieltonoa is 4D then yes, if not then no.
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Well yes, artieltonoa governs/ affects life, rebirth, creation of the entire world (2-A) so it would be 4-D concepts and laws.
Guess I better create an aisha vs wang lin match before adding the ability
 
One question: What exactly falls under non-duality in vs battle? I found something that said that something non-dual is when there are no contradictions, where contradictions coexist as one.

but the non-duality here in vs battle and that too? Or more specifically something that does not exist in the system of dualities.
 
Tatsumi504 said:
No, its not absorption. I literally read through the entire arcs where these events happened. Anos just says it was draining shin of his magic power and physical strength (textbook stat redux)
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No, this is not statistical amplification, did you even read the absorption profile? Everything you said fits the absorption criteria
 
Tatsumi504 said:
Graham forcing Anos to reincarnate inside aganzon was given BFR. If you forcefully reincarnate your opponent and they don't come back in time then that's BFR.
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where was this discussed? saw Graham's CRT and he didn't get BFR for that reason, it's not even on his profile
 
Guileal said:
No, this is not statistical amplification, did you even read the absorption profile? Everything you said fits the absorption criteria
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She isn't absorbing it though, neither is artieltonoa. Its just reducing (draining) them of their magic power and physical ability. The drained portion isn't being received by anyone.
I added the scan so you can check it out.
Guileal said:
yes i have a life off the internet you know
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No need for that but I guess I deserve it.
Guileal said:
where was this discussed? saw Graham's CRT and he didn't get BFR for that reason, it's not even on his profile
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Could've sworn it was decided as BFR. It was a thread made by either fixxed or eldemade. They thought it was swallowing but was disagreed upon.
Was it just not added?
 
Guileal said:
where was this discussed? saw Graham's CRT and he didn't get BFR for that reason, it's not even on his profile
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What ability would you give for reincarnating your opponent though? If they don't make it back before time expires they lose the match. Which is why I gave it BFR and added it's through forcefull reincarnation
 
Tatsumi504 said:
No. It just drains strength which is why I gave it stat redux instead of absorption
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Yeah, this is my thought as well.
Draining someone of their strength does not automatically mean you are absorbing them.
Scan only says that Shin's strength is fading away because Arcana is draining them.

If Arcana indeed get stronger by draining Shin's strength then it should go to absorption, if not, the stat redux it is.
 
Tatsumi504 said:
She isn't absorbing it though, neither is artieltonoa. Its just reducing (draining) them of their magic power and physical ability. The drained portion isn't being received by anyone.
I added the scan so you can check it out.
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I just saw the scan, it's still an absorption, reading with scan the done, this was more than clear, when he says he is draining Shin's magic and strength, which is an absorption ability. It literally says the word "Draining" which comes from the meaning to absorb, then it is shown that the power of the arcana increased with this theft, seriously, how do you not understand?
Tatsumi504 said:
Could've sworn it was decided as BFR. It was a thread made by either fixxed or eldemade. They thought it was swallowing but was disagreed upon.
Was it just not added?
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This wasn't even discussed on Graham's CRT, unless it was on another one, but that's not BFR anyway, it's resuscitation.
 
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Guileal said:
then it is shown that the power of the arcana increased with this theft, seriously, how do you not understand?
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No? Arcana's power never increased there, the next part is shin's magic power instantly reaching a state of nothingness because of the drain and him using the secret depth of the plundering sword to steal away the night and nulling artieltonoa.
Does "[[Statistics reduction]] via [[Absorption]] (artieltonoa drains others of their magic power and physical strength. The drained magic doesn't go to the ability user, it's just lost)" work for you?
Guileal said:
This wasn't even discussed on Graham's CRT, unless it was on another one, but that's not BFR anyway, it's resuscitation.
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If you say so. I'll bring it up in the next ability CRT. The profile is published right now so we can't remove it.
If they agree it needs to go then it can get yeeted.

Though I don't get why you called it resuscitation as they're not rejuvenated or come back immediately. It subjects them to the order of reincarnation which can take a hell of time.

Sending your opponent far away that they aren't able to return to participate in the match= BFR
 
Tatsumi504 said:
Well, in arcade, Misha, militia, Aisha's case here, it wouldn't be swallowing. She's just subjecting you to the order of reincarnation
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Huh, I see.
Well, let's make it clear at that next crt if it can be agreed upon as BFR or not.

It is definitely Ressurection as Guil say, so the other use of it as BFR is the question here.

Well, what has been done is done, making a fuss about it wouldn't change much now.
 
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Overlord_THE_END said:
Huh, I see.
Well, let's make it clear at that next crt if it can be agreed upon as BFR or not.

It is definitely Ressurection as Guil say, so the other use of it as BFR is the question here.

Well, what has been done is done, making a fuss about it wouldn't change much now.
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******* auto correct making me look stupid!

Well yeah. We'll just wait until another CRT or someone tries to remove it.

Like I said, resurrection doesn't fit, its reincarnation.
 
Tatsumi504 said:
Like I said, resurrection doesn't fit, its reincarnation
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Check the page.
It says it cover Reincarnation too.

When in the hands of a character who uses resurrection on themselves, giving them some degree of Immortality, this ability often co-exists with Regeneration, though the process can take some time. This ability is not to be confused with Necromancy, the ability to raise the dead as undead beings, but it also covers Reincarnation, characters who, upon death, eventually reincarnate the bodies of others - not as a mechanic of the verse, but through their own powers.
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