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Maou Gakuin Discussion Thread

MGK supporters giving feats, scans, and explaining why this is plot manip and not fate manip but some people's ignorance are beyond comprehension, and ofc there are the toxic ones and the people who are making head cannon.
Its blatant plot manip and not fate manip. "Script that controls the world" is kind of of a giveaway. If its not plot manip then this script manipulator should have no plot hax.
 
"「世界わたしに矛盾など存在しない。すべては秩序の歯車通りに回っている」"

"There are no contradictions in my world. Everything is spinning according to the wheels of order."


Is this important for Eques' plot manipulation? Is he not saying that the whole world is going according to his order?
 
"「世界わたしに矛盾など存在しない。すべては秩序の歯車通りに回っている」"

"There are no contradictions in my world. Everything is spinning according to the wheels of order."


Is this important for Eques' plot manipulation? Is he not saying that the whole world is going according to his order?
Chapter?
 
"「世界わたしに矛盾など存在しない。すべては秩序の歯車通りに回っている」"

"There are no contradictions in my world. Everything is spinning according to the wheels of order."
I really hope this helps, the first thing I thought of when I saw this is that it doesn't seem like manipulation of fate, considering he says "the world is turning according to your order". (Is that what he's saying? Or did I get it wrong?)
 
@ElmadeDityjon

Feel free to take my comment on the plot CRT and introduce more proofs (if you have it), or change it to be more organized (if you want), or even both, I don't know if I did a good job with that comment.
I don't anyone in that thread actually wants to listen to us. People objectively ignoring the points and making headcanon out of nowhere.
  1. Plot and plan things is completely wrong where you compare it to Dilpred and HFG statement
  2. Eques did created a order and lead it into a single destination
  3. Gods does keeps everything the mortal world as how it's set.
Well kinda tired of seeing making headcanon of fate and order are same. I will leave it up to Fixxed
 
I don't anyone in that thread actually wants to listen to us. People objectively ignoring the points and making headcanon out of nowhere.
  1. Plot and plan things is completely wrong where you compare it to Dilpred and HFG statement
  2. Eques did created a order and lead it into a single destination
  3. Gods does keeps everything the mortal world as how it's set.
Well kinda tired of seeing making headcanon of fate and order are same. I will leave it up to Fixxed
Right, I'll probably need a break after this, I don't even know how many times I refuted the same argument, I mean, I don't read the web novel for some guy to try to find out more about my favorite work, amazing like them think that just because the word "plot" has other meanings that totally ruins the argument, they don't even try to come up with supporting evidence that by mentioning "plot" Eques is talking about "plan", seriously, how can people like that become administrators of a scale wiki?
 
Right, I'll probably need a break after this, I don't even know how many times I refuted the same argument, I mean, I don't read the web novel for some guy to try to find out more about my favorite work, amazing like them think that just because the word "plot" has other meanings that totally ruins the argument, they don't even try to come up with supporting evidence that by mentioning "plot" Eques is talking about "plan", seriously, how can people like that become administrators of a scale wiki?
Yes, I agree because used polt word itself if he wanted to say it was plan he should have said it from the beginning instead write plot word itself
 
Wow you guys are still going? Gotta admire your tenacity.

I'm just going to reading old chapters, fishing out more abilities, getting layers and creating new character profiles.

Wanna break tier 2 by introducing arcana 😈
 
I want to say something. Reading the plot CRT and after a very hard tier 2-A struggle mainly due to the pain user (no hate) I want to ask are you 100% certain that we can get Anos into tier 1 (low 1C)? It seems that CRT's involving Anos are heated from time to time. Tier 1 is a pretty big deal and some may not want to see Anos or other characters from Mg Verse in that tier. We need to make sure that tier 1 is absolutely undebunkable by anyone including Anos haters. Also is there a Zinnia site I would love to see one for him he should easiy be 2-A even low 1C or mid 1C I mean he's beyond the Silver Sea and in the abyss layers.
 
I want to say something. Reading the plot CRT and after a very hard tier 2-A struggle mainly due to the pain user (no hate) I want to ask are you 100% certain that we can get Anos into tier 1 (low 1C)? It seems that CRT's involving Anos are heated from time to time. Tier 1 is a pretty big deal and some may not want to see Anos or other characters from Mg Verse in that tier. We need to make sure that tier 1 is absolutely undebunkable by anyone including Anos haters. Also is there a Zinnia site I would love to see one for him he should easiy be 2-A even low 1C or mid 1C I mean he's beyond the Silver Sea and in the abyss layers.
We need to confirm if pain is working on downgrade/still has plans for it, because if that goes through it lowers chances of T1 by quite a lot.
 
I want to say something. Reading the plot CRT and after a very hard tier 2-A struggle mainly due to the pain user (no hate) I want to ask are you 100% certain that we can get Anos into tier 1 (low 1C)? It seems that CRT's involving Anos are heated from time to time. Tier 1 is a pretty big deal and some may not want to see Anos or other characters from Mg Verse in that tier. We need to make sure that tier 1 is absolutely undebunkable by anyone including Anos haters. Also is there a Zinnia site I would love to see one for him he should easiy be 2-A even low 1C or mid 1C I mean he's beyond the Silver Sea and in the abyss layers.
We just need to sit down and relax for a month or two. Really it's hard to get him to 8D based on the current hate he is getting.
 
I also want to ask you about this scan. Does Anos really only use 1/10,000 of his powers?

"Anos' magical power is too huge, and the detailed control procedure is complicated."



 Even if the power can be controlled in units of 1/10,000 or less, if the original is too strong, it will not be a fine control of magical power.



 To put it simply, when the power of 10 is about to overflow from the root, I can't create the power of 10 as it is.



 Let 10,010 and 10,000 cancel each other out, and suppress it with the power of the remaining 10.

WN Chapter 380
 
I also want to ask you about this scan. Does Anos really only use 1/10,000 of his powers?

"Anos' magical power is too huge, and the detailed control procedure is complicated."



 Even if the power can be controlled in units of 1/10,000 or less, if the original is too strong, it will not be a fine control of magical power.



 To put it simply, when the power of 10 is about to overflow from the root, I can't create the power of 10 as it is.



 Let 10,010 and 10,000 cancel each other out, and suppress it with the power of the remaining 10.

WN Chapter 380
Seems like a metaphor, and out has multiple meanings so can’t be real, they talking about baseball here.
 
No. don't information manipulation needs to wait. People gonna disagree with it otherwise
Wasn't really gonna do that immediately (though I have the justifications ready).

General verse ability additions will wait. Stuff like Acausality 1, Information Manipulation, Unconventional Resistance to fate manipulation (only for gods most likely), Acausality 3 (for guardian gods). I'll drop them here for discussion before creating it.

As for other abilities, I'm gonna make the CRT. I'll drop them here though before making it.
 
I also want to ask you about this scan. Does Anos really only use 1/10,000 of his powers?

"Anos' magical power is too huge, and the detailed control procedure is complicated."



 Even if the power can be controlled in units of 1/10,000 or less, if the original is too strong, it will not be a fine control of magical power.



 To put it simply, when the power of 10 is about to overflow from the root, I can't create the power of 10 as it is.



 Let 10,010 and 10,000 cancel each other out, and suppress it with the power of the remaining 10.

WN Chapter 380
Not literally, I can't be quantified like that. He basically has infinite energy. That was just an example
 
How strong will you all say zeshia is by the start of the 5th arc?

The dragons scales are tough enough to make someone like shin decide to only aim for their weak point (around their necks).
These were only the juvenile ones. Adult/ancient dragons are far stronger than juvenile ones while rare dragons (those with scales and skin color that aren't green) are far stronger than ancient dragons.

Juvenile dragons= 30m in length
Ancient dragons= >100m in length
Rare dragons=> 200m in length

Zeshia is capable of harming a rare dragon with 1000 magic swords so she's about 1000x weaker than a 5-A right?
 
I want to say something. Reading the plot CRT and after a very hard tier 2-A struggle mainly due to the pain user (no hate) I want to ask are you 100% certain that we can get Anos into tier 1 (low 1C)? It seems that CRT's involving Anos are heated from time to time. Tier 1 is a pretty big deal and some may not want to see Anos or other characters from Mg Verse in that tier. We need to make sure that tier 1 is absolutely undebunkable by anyone including Anos haters. Also is there a Zinnia site I would love to see one for him he should easiy be 2-A even low 1C or mid 1C I mean he's beyond the Silver Sea and in the abyss layers.
It's fine honestly. If there is a possibility, then I don't see why not for people to debate about it.
It is just that, for some time now, many CRTs involving Maou Gakuin lead to controversial debates, "TD 2, Graham NEP layer, 2-A world, Math manip, and this one now, plot manip."

These types of additions and crt are pretty tiring and people get heated out, well, it's given because the CRT is controversial and complex enough like TD 2, Graham Nep layer, Math Manip... (2-A world only become that long because certain someone refuses to believe despite 3-4 admin give an OK).

So cooling down may be the correct answer after this.
 
I feel that plot hax will not be accepted after much discussion. Please tell me between which volumes the theater and plot is mentioned and I will read it to try to find more arguments and join with the ones I have so far.We can try this again if rejected.
 
I feel that plot hax will not be accepted after much discussion. Please tell me between which volumes the theater and plot is mentioned and I will read it to try to find more arguments and join with the ones I have so far.We can try this again if rejected.
Funny thing is everything is the only opposition who actually made an actual refute. Others are just desperately trying to make a headcanon out of the series.
 
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"If there is an invisible gear in the magical eye implanted in God, it is no exaggeration to say that it constitutes the order of the world. It is this one that defines who conforms and who does not."

Does that sound useful? I'm thinking of doing a plot CRT in the future (it would probably take months) if this one is refused.
 
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