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Maou Gakuin Discussion Thread

Oblivion_Of_The_Endless said:
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　全身にみなぎる魔力は、神のものに相違ない。

「キサマの根源に撃ち込まれた＜鹵獲魔弾ろかくまだん＞は、滅びをきっかけにその力を発揮スル。根源の消滅を遅らせ、火露を鹵獲するのダ」

　エレネシアは胸に手を当て、自らの根源を見つめる。

　男が口にした通り、彼女の根源には丸い宝石のような弾丸が食い込んでいる。そして、それが本来ならば滅び去っているはずのエレネシアに力を供給していた。

「つまり、キサマはこれにて、魔弾世界の住人となったのダ」

　The magical power that pervades his entire body must be divine.

"The "captured magic bullet, Rokakuma-dan," which was shot into the root of the fire dew, will show its power when it is destroyed. It will delay the extinction of the root and capture the fire dew."

　Elenesia puts her hand on her chest and looks at her own root.

　Just as the man had said, a round jewel-like bullet is lodged in her root. And it was supplying power to Elenesia, which should have been destroyed by nature.

In other words, you are now an inhabitant of the world of magic bullets.
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　一人残されたエレネシアは、室内を見回す。

　どうにか逃げられないか考えたが、張り巡らされた結界は彼女の世界では考えられないほど強固で、その外側には指一本出すことができない。

　もしも出られたとしても、彼女の寿命は長くない。どこで滅びようと、魔弾世界にあるその火露をもとに彼女は新生される。

　逃げ場所などありはしないということはすぐ理解した。

　Left alone, Elenesia looked around the room.

　She wondered if there was any way she could escape, but the wards she was surrounded by were so tight that she could not even lift a finger.

　Even if she could get out, she would not have long to live. No matter where she perishes, she will be reborn from the dew of fire in the world of magic bullets.

　I immediately understood that there was no escape.
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「あなたが何者なのか、なぜオードゥスと敵対しているかは知らない。けれど、はっきりしているのは、わたしに人質の価値はないということ。この身は＜鹵獲魔弾ろかくまだん＞にて猶予を得ているだけ。神魔射手オードゥスはいつでもその延命を打ち切り、わたしを新生することができるはず」

"I don't know who you are, or why you are antagonizing Audus, but I do know one thing: I am not a hostage. But what is clear is that I have no value as a hostage. I have only been granted a reprieve by the "Rokakuma-dan" (captured magic bullet). Audus the Divine Demon Archer should be able to terminate my life extension at any time and rebirth me."
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Chapter 673 and 674.

Let me just explain this. Here Elensia was converted into Magic bullet world creator Gods and Audus implemented a magic bullet to supply energy to her perishing root. Here its Clearly states audus can stop that supply and kill her and revives her in the magic bullet world.

Also another explanation is if she rans always and dies and she still Regenerated because she is a magic bullet world god currently.
 
Eh you guys sure that plot manipulation is happened clearly and undoubtedly without any questions? Why I feel it will be rejected lol
 
 
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Fixxed said:
Yeah the CRT will like this

Plot manipulation for order and acausality type 1 or 4 for gods ( Order is the script of the world, and the meta-fate. Order consider the world just like theater perfomance, where every event and phenomenon is according to it, control the course of the world. The world is not eternal, when the perfomance is done, the curtain will comes down. Order is determine everyone's role, it is will be the protagonist or no. Therefore the gods whose mantain and embody the order are unaffected by the rewriting of history and cut off the fate)
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About Plot Manipulation add these
  • All gods are protected by order (1 layers plot)
  • Misfits are unbound by order (2 layers Plot)
  • Arcana is exceptional (3 layer Resistance to plot manipulation)
  • Misfits like Anos and Graham are even exception (4 layers )
We may argue for layers of plot hax.
 
Fixxed said:
Yeah the CRT will like this

Plot manipulation for order and acausality type 1 or 4 for gods ( Order is the script of the world, and the meta-fate. Order consider the world just like theater perfomance, where every event and phenomenon is according to it, control the course of the world. The world is not eternal, when the perfomance is done, the curtain will comes down. Order is determine everyone's role, it is will be the protagonist or no. Therefore the gods whose mantain and embody the order are unaffected by the rewriting of history and cut off the fate )
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EldemadeDityjon said:
Chapter 673 and 674.

Let me just explain this. Here Elensia was converted into Magic bullet world creator Gods and Audus implemented a magic bullet to supply energy to her perishing root. Here its Clearly states audus can stop that supply and kill her and revives her in the magic bullet world.

Also another explanation is if she rans always and dies and she still Regenerated because she is a magic bullet world god currently.
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This just seems Type 8 immortality on a High-Godly level
EldemadeDityjon said:
About Plot Manipulation add these
  • All gods are protected by order (1 layers plot)
  • Misfits are unbound by order (2 layers Plot)
  • Arcana is exceptional (3 layer Resistance to plot manipulation)
  • Misfits like Anos and Graham are even exception (4 layers )
We may argue for layers of plot hax.
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That is not how layers work.
 
Oblivion_Of_The_Endless said:
This just seems Type 8 immortality on a High-Godly level
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「＜根源死殺ベブズド＞」

　根源殺しの指先が奴の魔法体を握り潰す。

　光が霧散するかの如く散り、ジェルガの姿は跡形もなく消え去った。

　しかし、アゼシオン中から集まっている空の光が地上に降り注ぎ、そこに再びジェルガの魔法体を作った。

「ふむ。やはり、根源をつかめぬか」

「理解したようだな。この身はすでに＜魔族断罪ジェルガ＞の魔法と化している。滅びることのない、この世の秩序そのものだ」

　想定通りか。

"Bev'd by the Root of Death."

　The fingertips of the root killer crush his magical body.

　The light dissipated as if in a mist, and Jelga's figure vanished without a trace.

　However, the light in the sky gathered from all over the azekyon poured down to the ground and formed Jelga's magical body there again.

"Hm. As I thought, you cannot grasp the root of the problem."

"I see that you have understood. This body has already been transformed into the magic of Jelga. It is the order of the world itself, which will never perish."

　As expected.
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Really that doesn't seem like just Immortality type 8. Jerga who got destroyed by Anos Regenerated his root because of the reason he became the order of the world.
 
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Oblivion_Of_The_Endless said:
This just seems Type 8 immortality on a High-Godly level
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「エールドメードの体と根源に寄生したのは間違いだったな。その中にいれば、一割の根源でも生きることができる。天父神の根源が一割残っていれば、その秩序も完全には崩壊しない。貴様ら神は不滅の存在だ。本来なら、根源を再生することは容易いはずだが、理滅剣の前ではそうはいかぬ」

"You made a mistake in parasitizing the body and roots of the aeldmade. If you are in it, even ten percent of the root can live. If ten percent of the roots of God the Heavenly Father remain, that order will not completely collapse. You gods are immortal beings. Normally, it should be easy to regenerate the root, but not in the face of the Sword of Rishonen."
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This chapter is named as Gods previous one when HFG introduced just named as God. Well it may not seems much but what I am trying to say is it's definitely talking about god's Regenerating roots from scratch. Also it's not about 10% of HFG. If it was Anos would have clearly mentioned that but here he talks about all gods.
 
"If you are in it, even ten percent of the root can live. If ten percent of the roots of God the Heavenly Father remain, that order will not completely collapse. "

The scan debunks itself.
 
Fixxed said:
Yeah the CRT will like this

Plot manipulation for order and acausality type 1 or 4 for gods ( Order is the script of the world, and the meta-fate. Order consider the world just like theater perfomance, where every event and phenomenon is according to it, control the course of the world. The world is not eternal, when the perfomance is done, the curtain will comes down. Order is determine everyone's role, it is will be the protagonist or no. Therefore the gods whose mantain and embody the order are unaffected by the rewriting of history and cut off the fate )
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Dang, I have no opinion on this. It seems like a real plot manipulation. Bro, that's an even more creative way to set up it.
Every author use a book to present plot manipulation and this author use the theater concept.

But I got one worry about this: It sounds more r>f interaction than plot manipulation. Likewise, I meant he presented it as r>f interaction dimension and manipulate it by changing the actor. I guess?
 
 
Like I said before, the theater thing was an analogy made by Dilfred to explain how gods unfairly treat humanity on a daily basis, it's not something literal. The only evidence that holds is Eques saying his shenanigans were in accordance with a script he made, but I doubt it will be enough. In any case, I've said my piece, I'm not getting involved in the plot CRT, good luck to yall.
 
Oblivion_Of_The_Endless said:
"If you are in it, even ten percent of the root can live. If ten percent of the roots of God the Heavenly Father remain, that order will not completely collapse. "

The scan debunks itself.
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It has two different statements though. I get it your pov but you can also view in different POV. He talked about keeping the root of HGR 10% won't destroy the orde
You gods are immortal beings. Normally, it should be easy to regenerate the root, but not in the face of the Sword of Rishonen.
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Anyway even if you don't consider this

Jerga is great example for god's having HGR. Gods embodies an order and they can Regenerate their sources .

「なぜ、あらゆる死と破壊の元凶となった破壊神アベルニユーを、平和を求めた魔王は滅ぼさなかったのか。答えはあまりにも明快だ。破壊の秩序そのものであるアベルニユーを滅ぼし尽くすことは、暴虐の魔王と言えども不可能であったからだ」

　理滅剣がこれまで以上に黒く、禍々しく、闇色に輝いていた。

「アノス・ヴォルディゴードは、苦肉の策として、破壊神アベルニユーの力を限定し、その方向を変えることで、破壊の秩序をこの世から奪った。そうして、あらゆる秩序、あらゆる理を滅ぼす、理滅剣という奇跡が生まれた」

　ノウスガリアは掲げた両手をゆっくりと握る。

「だが、それはあまりにも愚かな選択だ。神の秩序を、永遠に形を変えたままにしておくことなど不可能なのだから。秩序はやがて、本来の理を取り戻す。そのとき、いったいなにが起きると思う？」

Why didn't the demon king, who sought peace, destroy Averniou, the god of destruction who was the source of all death and destruction? The answer is too clear. It was impossible for even the tyrannical Demon King to destroy Averniou, the very order of destruction.

　The Sword of Destruction was blacker than ever, more disastrous, and shining with a darker color.

Anos Voldigård, as a bitter measure, limited and redirected the power of the god of destruction, Averniū, thereby depriving the world of the order of destruction. Thus was born the miracle of the Sword of Destruction, which destroys all order, all reason."

　NOUSGARIA slowly gripped her raised hands.

But that is too foolish a choice. It is impossible for the divine order to remain unchanged forever. The order will eventually regain its original reason. What do you think will happen then?
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Anyway I don't know if all gods can instantly Regenerate from source destruction but they should get HGR even if they Regenerate overtime. Well Let me dig some more scans. I probably need to re read many things.
 
"According to Deepening God, the world seems to be the stage of a theater for the gods, and you are, after all, the protagonist (main actor/main character) assigned by the impresario based on favoritism. The role is very admirable, but the actor is just ham (ham actor=unskilled actor who overacts)"
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It sounds like r>f interaction, and he got control over it (plot manipulation)
Dog3352 said:
r>f interaction? What does that mean?
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Reality > Fiction Interaction
 
　ジジジ、と激しい紫電が破壊神の体内で荒れ狂う。

　その根源めがけて、セリスはありったけの滅びの魔法をぶつけた。

「＜滅尽十紫電界雷剣ラヴィア・ネオルド・ガルヴァリィズェン＞」

　膨大な紫電が破壊神の体を、その根源を消滅させていく。

「破壊を司る神は滅びないわ。わたしはすでに滅びているの」

　膨張し、星のように瞬く紫電がその少女の体から幾本も放たれたかと思うと、次の瞬間、その姿が跡形もなく滅尽した。

　世界の色が紫から元に戻り、静寂がそこに訪れる。

　アベルニユーが蘇る気配はない。

　少なくとも、今、この場においては。
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　Jijiji, a violent purple electricity raged inside the God of Destruction's body.

　Aiming at the source of it, Celis struck it with all the destruction magic she could muster.

"Ravia Neold Galvaryzen, the Thunder Sword of the Ten Violet Electricity Realms of Destruction.

　An enormous amount of purple electricity annihilated the body of the God of Destruction and its source.

"The god of destruction will not be destroyed. I am already destroyed."

　As soon as the girl's body seemed to expand and release several lines of purple electricity that twinkled like stars, the next moment, her figure was destroyed without a trace.

　The color of the world returns from purple to normal, and silence reigns.

　There is no sign of Averniou being revived.

　At least, not here and now.
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@Oblivion_Of_The_Endless i found the scan for god of destruction having high godly regeneration.
 
 
EldemadeDityjon said:
About Plot Manipulation add these
  • All gods are protected by order (1 layers plot)
  • Misfits are unbound by order (2 layers Plot)
  • Arcana is exceptional (3 layer Resistance to plot manipulation)
  • Misfits like Anos and Graham are even exception (4 layers )
We may argue for layers of plot hax.
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can anyone explain how this layered hax and resistance are judged in mgk
 
Oblivion_Of_The_Endless said:
Like I said before, the theater thing was an analogy made by Dilfred to explain how gods unfairly treat humanity on a daily basis, it's not something literal. The only evidence that holds is Eques saying his shenanigans were in accordance with a script he made, but I doubt it will be enough. In any case, I've said my piece, I'm not getting involved in the plot CRT, good luck to yall.
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It doesn't really seem like an analogy. He said it as if it were factual
 
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