Maou Gakuin Discussion Thread

[Pepsiman25th]

I have the urge to go Offline for a couple of day as soon as fixxed posts his CRT. Idk why tho.

Avoiding the chaos that will surely happen

 

[ImmortalDread]

I have the urge to go Offline for a couple of day as soon as fixxed posts his CRT. Idk why tho.

me too

 

[Oblivion_Of_The_Endless]

It doesn't really seem like an analogy. He said it as if it were factual

Sasha asked Dilfred if gods don't care about people

Dilfred proceeds to answer "Let me say in another way you'll understand", and then says the above quotes

I.e an analogy to get his point across.

 

[Dereck03]

After all, they are complements to Eques, and what they say is what they do, practically an explanation and addition.

 

[Tatsumi504]

I think type 2 is not existing in past & future

You can get type 1&2 from being unaffected by changes in the past and future

 

[Oblivion_Of_The_Endless]

You need to not exist in the past and future to get Type 2. If you do, then it isn't Type 2.

 

[ImmortalDread]

You can get hype 1&2 from being unaffected by changes in the past and future

Oh then it is clear type 2 for me

 

[Tatsumi504]

Ah yes, nothing beats seeing characters having food *******

 

[ImmortalDread]

You need to not exist in the past and future to get Type 2. If you do, then it isn't Type 2.

mb, but what abt type 1 and resistence to fate manipulation?

 

[Tatsumi504]

You need to not exist in the past and future to get Type 2. If you do, then it isn't Type 2.

The definition of type 1&2 is not existing. As a result they are unaffected by changes made to the past and future. Shouldn't being unaffected by the changes be enough?

 

[Oblivion_Of_The_Endless]

The definition of type 1&2 is not existing. As a result they are unaffected by changes made to the past and future. Shouldn't being unaffected by the changes be enough?

They are unaffected by the changes because they do not exist to be affected by these changes.

 

[ImmortalDread]

They are unaffected by the changes because they do not exist to be affected by these changes.

Ya this makes sense

 

[EldemadeDityjon]

The definition of type 1&2 is not existing.As a result they are unaffected by changes made to the past and future.Shouldn't being unaffected by the changes be enough?

mb, but what abt type 1 and resistence to fate manipulation?

Type 2 is not existing in past and future

 

[ImmortalDread]

One of the requirements is not to exist in the past and future, hence why they are not affected by changes.
So it is type 1 with fate manipulation resistance?

 

[EldemadeDityjon]

One of the requirements is not to exist in the past and future, hence why they are not affected by changes.
So it is type 1 with fate manipulation resistance?

Yeah. That's all. Also I would say it's immunity to fate manipulation.

 

[Tatsumi504]

Type 1: Time Paradox Immunity: Characters with this type of Acausality are rendered immune to changes in the past and standard temporal paradoxes, but remain just as vulnerable in the present and can be affected by normal Causality Manipulation and similar abilities.

Everybody except misfits.

Type 2: Temporal Singularity: Characters with this type of Acausality do not exist in either the past or the future, only the present. This means they cannot be affected by changes to the past, while also making them resistant to Precognition that works by viewing the future, as they do not exist within it, and Fate Manipulation, for the same reason. In essence, they are able to choose their own fates, but they remain just as vulnerable at the point in time in which they do exist.

Shouldn't being unaffected by changes to past and future be enough? Either way, it's either type 2 or unconventional resistance.
Thinking about it, I've mentioned this before and tagged it as resistance so forget about the type 2

Type 3: Temporal Permanence: Characters with this type of Acausality are incredibly difficult to kill, as other versions of themselves - from other points in time and/or from other universes - can survive the destruction of the "original" and act in their place. This also grants them immunity to changes in the past.

Guardian Gods.

A god who half qualified for type 2 though is the trace god

 

[Dereck03]

Again, type 2 is for characters that only exist in the present and have no past or future, and we know that this is not the case for Maou Gakuin characters.

 

[Tatsumi504]

They are unaffected by the changes because they do not exist to be affected by these changes.

Ya this makes sense

Unconventional resistance it is then. To fate hax them, you have to overcome order (Good luck with that)

 

[Tatsumi504]

Again, type 2 is for characters that only exist in the present and have no past or future, and we know that this is not the case for Maou Gakuin characters.

Yeah, I've accepted that. But then Sinbad is a weird case.

 

[Dereck03]

Again with Sinbad.

 

[Tatsumi504]

Yeah, I've accepted that. But then Sinbad is a weird case.

Okay, I received it and he doesn't have type 2, my bad.

 

[Tatsumi504]

Again with Sinbad.

Not that I have beef with the verse or anything. He was just the only example I could think of off the top of my head.

Next agenda. Make that mid-godly regeneration non-combat applicable.

 

[Tatsumi504]

@Oblivion_Of_The_Endless

Plot Manipulation (Ugo displays a level of transcendence against Sinbad and Aladdin's Multiverse, viewing the whole thing as fiction. To put it in his words in comparison to him Sinbad is merely "a protagonist of the story" (due to higher gods influence) and he is "the author" (of that story). He even goes as far as to call himself "omnipotent" in comparison to Aladdin's World. There's also scenes where Aladdin himself who was in the Sacred Palace viewed the lower worlds by reading them in stories.)

This was also an analogy from ugo, still was enough for plot manipulation

 

[Dereck03]

Again with Sinbad.

 

[ImmortalDread]

(Type 4; as a Singularity, Sinbad is born with a vast amount of Magoi and is capable of deviating from fate and “feel” fate. He is also halfway Fallen into Depravity)
Dang, if fate is their cause-and-effect system, I may understand it… But it is only because of deviating from fate... imao- feels a downgrade is coming)

 

[Tatsumi504]

(Type 4; as a Singularity, Sinbad is born with a vast amount of Magoi and is capable of deviating from fate and “feel” fate. He is also halfway Fallen into Depravity)
Dang, if fate is their cause-and-effect system, I may understand it… But it is only because of deviating from fate... imao- feels a downgrade is coming)

No

 

[ImmortalDread]

No

https://vsbattles.com/threads/acausality-type-4-for-sinbad.141669/

welp if my doubts are accurate.. I will drop a downgrade on that

 

[Dereck03]

Since when we have a sindab in Maou Gakuin?

 

[Fixxed]

Food ready, eat it

https://vsbattles.com/threads/upgrade-for-the-gods-ability-maou-gakuin.141671/

 

[ImmortalDread]

https://ncode.syosetu.com/n1578dx/475/ ~ Web Novel, Arc 10, Chapter 30
https://ncode.syosetu.com/n1578dx/451/ ~ Web Novel, Arc 10, Chapter 54

Does anyone have a translation for this said chapters?

 

[Tatsumi504]

Can anyone remember which chapter Nafta says there are infinite futures/ posaibilities? I wanna finish my Nafta sandbox and create the profile.

Need answers urgently

 

[Orioreeem]

Just find the scan in the upgread thread it has chapter number

 

[Tatsumi504]

Just find the scan in the upgread thread it has chapter number

Oh yeah, forgot about that. Thanks

 

[Tatsumi504]

@Oblivion_Of_The_Endless @Dereck03 regarding the country destroying statements, if we get any given distance to any place still within the country can we use it to get a value? Currently I've got 3 namely;

• Enola meadow- a grassland 60km southwest of gairadeite
• Trinos plains- 30km from lake seimei
• Red on desert- 200km east of gairadite

Is it possible?

 

[Oblivion_Of_The_Endless]

@Oblivion_Of_The_Endless @Dereck03 regarding the country destroying statements, if we get any given distance to any place still within the country can we use it to get a value? Currently I've got 3 namely;

• Enola meadow- a grassland 60km southwest of gairadeite
• Trinos plains- 30km from lake seimei
• Red on desert- 200km east of gairadite

Is it possible?

Probably. It's a start.

 

[EldemadeDityjon]

Probably. It's a start.

But too bad it doesn't scale to anyone.

 

[Dog3352]

I just found something about the order of space, but I believe everyone here has seen it.

 

[GustiTalk12]

Goodbye to manipulation plot/plot hax

 

[Tatsumi504]

I just found something about the order of space, but I believe everyone here has seen it.

What? Where? Did you see it?

 

[Tatsumi504]

Probably. It's a start.

Okay, at least there's hope.