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Maou Gakuin Discussion Thread

WarbleComeBack said:
Oof, just realized @Oblivion_Of_The_Endless was the one who first brought up plot having more than one meaning and first called the feats plot manip… no wonder they used those to disagree for so long. No hate to you… but it’s your fault🙃
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You act like I'm the messiah. Me being me didnt influence other people to agree with what I said in the thread.
 
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Oblivion_Of_The_Endless said:
You act like I'm the messiah. Me being me didnt influence other people to agree with what I said in the thread.
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I don't really blame you, but honestly? How does someone (not you) use the same argument for 3 pages in a row even without any supporting evidence, and even after being refuted several times in about 3 different ways?
 
Dog3352 said:
"If there is an invisible gear in the magical eye implanted in God, it is no exaggeration to say that it constitutes the order of the world. It is this one that defines who conforms and who does not."

Does that sound useful? I'm thinking of doing a plot CRT in the future (it would probably take months) if this one is refused.
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Which chapter?
 
I don’t get how some people see it as greater fate manipulation when it literally has things like script/plot in the context. They can’t argue saying that it means plan when they also think it’s greater fate manipulation.
 
Greater fate manipulation means greater fate manipulation. The plot CRT was a bust, it failed, let it go. We just have to hope that by the time shu starts writing, we get better evidence and shove it in their face.

I'm concentrate on making the characters more haxed than they already are and finding layers. Probably gonna get new tiers soon. No more 7-B for Sasha and misha
 
Tatsumi504 said:
Just ignore shit like that, they're probably joking.
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No I was serious, I’m not mad or anything I was just pointing out that he gave their two main rebuttals, I’m curious what they would’ve come up with on their own. Once again, I don’t really care, I don’t have anything against him for it, it provided me with lots to read which tbh is why I’m on vsbw… entertainment.
 
WarbleComeBack said:
No I was serious, I’m not mad or anything I was just pointing out that he gave their two main rebuttals, I’m curious what they would’ve come up with on their own. Once again, I don’t really care, I don’t have anything against him for it, it provided me with lots to read which tbh is why I’m on vsbw… entertainment.
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To clarify, none of my comments were to be rude to OOTE, if they sounded like it, sorry.
 
for PM is it limited to the cheif god's world? or does it affect anything outside the bubble?
is the script predetermined for the world as militia did create the world which established it's order.
does 4th wall awareness help in proving Plot manipulation? and if it does maybe author adds it in the future. well closest thing would be anos singing in his own opening.
does the script of the world can be considered greater fate manip? i got this from wiki saying when it was stated that evansmana true power was able destroy balandias ship as it was stated to be boosted to the level or even greater than eques protection (not sure what kind of protection)
 
even tho im just a newbie here and not nearly as knowledged as some of you and im aware all of you know these I just want to point them out. there are some actions that we have to avoid for future CRTs.

1. don't reply to anyone with words that would make you look toxic even if they are ignoring everything and just disagreeing out of nowhere. (they are just trying to make you lose your cool and make yourself look bad just ignore them and focus on the admins)
2. don't replay to people using old debunks that were refuted before and just ignore them only replay if an admin uses it.
3. don't reply to every comment separately and wait for a little before responding to someone.
4. we should try to make the CRT as short as possible and avoid any unnecessary comments like jokes/comebacks.
5. reply with full details to avoid any misunderstanding.

6. create a format for the CRTs and use that from now on. (like in the plot manip CRT fixxed used clickable links on a long and connected text) which makes it harder to evaluate the OP and some people may miss it at first and make wrong comments) and add a part in the CRT for the translation parts that would lead to misunderstanding (anything not just translation and words) and explain it there.
7. overload the CRT with as many as scans possible even if they are vague we won't lose anything by making the CRT long.
8. correct any grammatical mistakes before posting the CRT even tho it won't affect the outcome it will make the CRT look like a low-effort one.
9. share the CRT before posting it with everyone so we can evaluate it ourselves and post it after that. (we have to evaluate the CRT from the hater's point of view and the people who don't have knowledge on the verse and try to debunk it using that and if we can refute the debunks then its ready)
10. select a date for the CRT so we don't spam them and admins actually check it. (like 1 big CRT every 3 months and 2 small ones between that)
11. send the chapters used in the CRT so everyone can reread them before posting.

you can ignore this part completely but I think it's better to make a discord channel and prepare the future CRTs there. (it would be much easier to gather scans and the important parts of the CRT and add to it slowly. we would be able to work on multiple CRTs at once without losing track.)

note that i don't want to offend anyone with this and if i did I'm really sorry.
 
Tatsumi504 said:
Greater fate manipulation means greater fate manipulation. The plot CRT was a bust, it failed, let it go. We just have to hope that by the time shu starts writing, we get better evidence and shove it in their face.

I'm concentrate on making the characters more haxed than they already are and finding layers. Probably gonna get new tiers soon. No more 7-B for Sasha and misha
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How long was it since Shu drop the last chapter?
 
MehrasJB said:
even tho im just a newbie here and not nearly as knowledged as some of you and im aware all of you know these I just want to point them out. there are some actions that we have to avoid for future CRTs.

1. don't reply to anyone with words that would make you look toxic even if they are ignoring everything and just disagreeing out of nowhere. (they are just trying to make you lose your cool and make yourself look bad just ignore them and focus on the admins)
2. don't replay to people using old debunks that were refuted before and just ignore them only replay if an admin uses it.
3. don't reply to every comment separately and wait for a little before responding to someone.
4. we should try to make the CRT as short as possible and avoid any unnecessary comments like jokes/comebacks.
5. reply with full details to avoid any misunderstanding.

6. create a format for the CRTs and use that from now on. (like in the plot manip CRT fixxed used clickable links on a long and connected text) which makes it harder to evaluate the OP and some people may miss it at first and make wrong comments) and add a part in the CRT for the translation parts that would lead to misunderstanding (anything not just translation and words) and explain it there.
7. overload the CRT with as many as scans possible even if they are vague we won't lose anything by making the CRT long.
8. correct any grammatical mistakes before posting the CRT even tho it won't affect the outcome it will make the CRT look like a low-effort one.
9. share the CRT before posting it with everyone so we can evaluate it ourselves and post it after that. (we have to evaluate the CRT from the hater's point of view and the people who don't have knowledge on the verse and try to debunk it using that and if we can refute the debunks then its ready)
10. select a date for the CRT so we don't spam them and admins actually check it. (like 1 big CRT every 3 months and 2 small ones between that)
11. send the chapters used in the CRT so everyone can reread them before posting.

you can ignore this part completely but I think it's better to make a discord channel and prepare the future CRTs there. (it would be much easier to gather scans and the important parts of the CRT and add to it slowly. we would be able to work on multiple CRTs at once without losing track.)

note that i don't want to offend anyone with this and if i did I'm really sorry.
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Bro I already addressed all of this issues to one of verse supporters but thanks for input. Dw
 
Tatsumi504 said:
The plot CRT was a bust, it failed, let it go. We just have to hope that by the time shu starts writing, we get better evidence and shove it in their face.
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I honestly don't think we should do that. Why should we give up a thread when we have good evidence on our but it is the opposition who are being obtuse? Expect for Everything, every one else misinterpreting the scans or are being stubborn about it. Best option now is to bring more staff to evaluate it.

@Dereck03 -sama, where are you?! We are in desperate need you know? Atleast tag some staff!
 
Shadow_Somnius said:
I honestly don't think we should do that. Why should we give up a thread when we have good evidence on our but it is the opposition who are being obtuse? Expect for Everything, every one else misinterpreting the scans or are being stubborn about it. Best option now is to bring more staff to evaluate it.

@Dereck03 -sama, where are you?! We are in desperate need you know? Atleast tag some staff!
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Lol. Funny thing glassman is misusing his staff post and calling anyone who agrees biased. If that was normal user they would have been reported long ago.
Overlord_THE_END said:
How long was it since Shu drop the last chapter?
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Me , dred and Tatsumi next plan is common Abilities page. After that immeasurable speed for other characters.
 
I propose that any new CRT be posted with the consent of the members of this community. It would also be nice if they could post the draft here first, so, that the verse supporters can evaluate it and recommend additions or removal. Honestly, this would save a lot of time considering the position of this verse in the wiki and how the 2A Future World and Plot thread turned out.
 
Shadow_Somnius said:
I honestly don't think we should do that. Why should we give up a thread when we have good evidence on our but it is the opposition who are being obtuse? Expect for Everything, every one else misinterpreting the scans or are being stubborn about it. Best option now is to bring more staff to evaluate it.

@Dereck03 -sama, where are you?! We are in desperate need you know? Atleast tag some staff!
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Ever thought that maybe evidence really isn't good enough and people who are supporting it are in the wrong?
 
Shadow_Somnius said:
I am. I am of the opinion we simply lack any true concrete proof to claim such. But from the beginning itself I had been leaning to agree. Now, even more so.
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I can make a new CRT may be tomorrow if I find time. But I don't know how others will feel. Especially staffs may just brush it off just like how they are doing it now.
 
Shadow_Somnius said:
I propose that any new CRT be posted with the consent of the members of this community. It would also be nice if they could post the draft here first, so, that the verse supporters can evaluate it and recommend additions or removal. Honestly, this would save a lot of time considering the position of this verse in the wiki and how the 2A Future World and Plot thread turned out.
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" All according to Script of the world "

To back it up why script is plot in MGF we have statement from
  • Dilfred Wisest god refers to Order as a play and mortal world as a theater
  • Anos who learned the truth later refers the same thing after many chapters which he doesn't have to do if author really didn't cared about plot manipulation here
  • HFG made the same type of statement before any of these statements comes so which even backs up the fact order being the plot.

When the world borns there will be an order which is not fate don't start with headcanon. Order is set and has only one path where fate is not set and will have different possibilities to choose from. Here its clearly mentioned seed of the will leads the world in one direction which order already set.

"There is order in the bubble world, and there are gods. They have the seeds of world will to lead the world in one direction. The seeds of world will is invisible and does not have a clear consciousness. The gods obey it, and each of them acts in a vague way, trying to lead the world to the right order. In most cases, they fail, but in bubbles blessed with the blessing of Silver Sea, a conformist is born."
In the Militia world, the gears of Eques were the seeds of world will.

But here we can literally see that even though there is an order there are infinite possibilities of the future exist. No one can rewrite that order even though you can manipulate fate. So this literally backs up order being the plot which can't be interacted or changed but future can be changed by possibilities

"God is order. The Delegate would be the same being. The many futures that Nafta, the god of the future, sees are structured by that order. No matter how much power he may have, the ordered God cannot overturn the ordered future."

But here we can see EQUES easily rewrote order just like how you can change the plot . Which even backs up our POV for Order being plot. He literally states he is the one who rules the order and completely rewrites the order of the world

"Do you think you have the upper hand? Thy power is swayed and swayed by thy surroundings. It means that you are ruled by order. And it is I who rule that order."

　The magic power gathers in Eques' entire body.

"You take from this three-sided world, the Garden of the Demon King, the order that gives you your power."

　The gears of the assembled gods fill the air with a copper-colored radiance.

"Behold, Foreign object to the world. The wheels of destiny have already begun to turn. No one can escape it. Vertexfenbrem enforces a single destiny upon thee."

　The Wheel of Destiny scatters a brown light.

"Defeat."

　The copper gear is embedded everywhere in the three-sided world.

　In the sky, on the surface of the earth, in cities of ice, in forests, in mountains, everywhere, the wheels of destiny began to turn.

"If you make a single move, the entire three-sided world of the Garden of the Demon King will shatter into fragments, as will the entire order of creation. That is the Destiny that Vertex Fenbrem has just decreed, a Destiny that cannot be escaped and cannot be overturned."

　An foreign order envelops me.

That's not all he was constantly Manipulated order from the beginning of the time

"Kuhaha. You are a dullard. Your gears have the power to turn Destiny. Mainly of despair. It has allowed God to rule, order to be manipulated, and war to ravage the earth. But if you can interfere with despair, you can be interfered with by despair. If you convert it into a quill, it will be powered by despair to rotate. The stronger the despair, the more it will be able to turn the wheel of hope against it."

"He has ruled this world for a long time. He turned the wheels of destiny, governed over order, and forced us to struggle and despair. The world's reason was bent on destruction. Not all. But many of them were the result of his handiwork. This battle, the war of 2,000 years ago, and many other conflicts were caused by the cogs in the wheel of order."

My final Verdict. Order is plot. Fate is specifically different from order throughout the series.


I can add some more scans and back it up even more
 
the problem with this CRT was that no one tried to evaluate it before posting it. (at least from a view point of someone that doesn't know anything about the verse and doesn't like it either)
 
MehrasJB said:
I haven't made any CRT so I don't know about this but isn't it better to upload the image in the OP rather than uploading it in imgure.
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Yeah uploading in op is better because many acts like Ignorant just like how plot manipulation thread is going on. I bet 99% of then haven't even take a look at the scans
 
EldemadeDityjon said:
Yeah uploading in op is better because many acts like Ignorant just like how plot manipulation thread is going on. I bet 99% of then haven't even take a look at the scans
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I’ve done that before, looked at like a 2 page thread and forgot to actually look at the op since there was so much to read already.
 
EldemadeDityjon said:
Yeah uploading in op is better because many acts like Ignorant just like how plot manipulation thread is going on. I bet 99% of then haven't even take a look at the scans
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Not really, Imgur is sometimes a good alternative, if you got more than 1 picture. But if you know how to resize pictures, then I agree.
Anyways, we need to focus more on common abilities, I am trying to find references, but I am having hard time.
 
Dread said:
Not really, Imgur is sometimes a good alternative, if you got more than 1 picture. But if you know how to resize pictures, then I agree.
Anyways, we need to focus more on common abilities, I am trying to find references, but I am having hard time.
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resizing images is EZ and takes no time. and about that, you 3 work on the CRT so you send anything you find to each other in this thread or outside? because as i suggested i think its better to use another platform when working on a CRT like discord at least for people that work on it.
 
MehrasJB said:
resizing images is EZ and takes no time. and about that, you 3 work on the CRT so you send anything you find to each other in this thread or outside? because as i suggested i think its better to use another platform when working on a CRT like discord at least for people that work on it.
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I am working on a CRT, dw. And with the cooperation of Elde and Tatsumi.
 
Dread said:
I am working on a CRT, dw. And with the cooperation of Elde and Tatsumi.
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@eldemade any progress with the references yet?
Regarding the common abilities, you can leave justifications and references for information manipulation and spirit HGR to me. I know where to find them. You guys handle the stuff about chief gods and conformists and deeper world inhabitants.
 
Tatsumi504 said:
@eldemade any progress with the references yet?
Regarding the common abilities, you can leave justifications and references for information manipulation and spirit HGR to me. I know where to find them. You guys handle the stuff about chief gods and conformists and deeper world inhabitants.
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Sure
 
Just saying if the plot CRT is rejected, we ain't giving up. We gonna find some more proof and then evaluate it.
 
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