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Maou Gakuin Discussion Thread

One question, does Sasha's sun of destruction have some sort of resistance the power nullification? Since it is mentioned that it cannot be stopped by barriers?
 
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Tatsumi504 said:
Sure but until then, let's let sleeping dogs lie
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I really enjoy upgrading characters so much that when a CRT is done, I am usually ready for the next one. I have school next week so I wanna do as much as I can for MGK before I concentrate on school, and when school begins I am practically gonna be non-existent in here.
 
I just wanted to say something about the "plot" in case we do a CRT about it again in the future.

First:If in the future we decide to do a CRT about this again (probably not for a few months), we should try to put better definitions of the order of eques using plot manipulation, since this is mainly about the order of eques being plot manipulated.

Second: It is good to structure the CRT in a way where we specify the evidences a little bit well, for example: If we take the line about "the world being a stage for the Gods", we should put why this is not a metaphor, but an actual thing in MGK, to avoid unnecessary questions, confusions or something like that, and that with all the evidences.

I just wanted to say that.
 
Dog3352 said:
I just wanted to say something about the "plot" in case we do a CRT about it again in the future.

First:If in the future we decide to do a CRT about this again (probably not for a few months), we should try to put better definitions of the order of eques using plot manipulation, since this is mainly about the order of eques being plot manipulated.

Second: It is good to structure the CRT in a way where we specify the evidences a little bit well, for example: If we take the line about "the world being a stage for the Gods", we should put why this is not a metaphor, but an actual thing in MGK, to avoid unnecessary questions, confusions or something like that, and that with all the evidences.

I just wanted to say that.
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Let's CRT will be common abilities.

Plot Manipulation CRT I will be working on 🚬🗿. Let Me add more scans and drop it here and we can drop all together at once.
 
Power Null Layers (3D)
  • Low tiers< Mid tiers< High tiers< God tiers (doesn't include gods)< Guardian gods< EoD.
There are 2 layers in each stage based on normal anti-magic and strengthening of anti-magic so that's 12 layers.
Eugo la raviaz didn't resist/ over power EoD despite strengthening his magic.
Misha's EoC (eye of creation) scales to EoD by being relative to Sasha (you know, all that creation and Destruction are equal).

Beno Leven Existence Erasure
After anos created the wall, while escorting Reno back to alharthern, shin says the wall was made to be even more effective on the gods. When talking about the gods he mentioned the divine beasts and HFG meaning the established order we have still works.

Anos also says those with strong magic can pass through the wall, he uses melheis as an example. We know melheis struggled to pass through and needed 100yrs worth of magic power to cross a 2nd time. Shin and Reno were also said to strain themselves to pass through and shin is a god tier.
Layers
  • Mid tiers(x2)< High tiers (x2)< God tiers (x2)= 6 layers
  • Guardian beasts< Guardian gods (x2)< EoD (x2)< other gods (x2)< HFG & God of creation and Destruction (x2)= 9 layers
Eques resists, guardian beasts don't have the intelligence to increase their power null.

Artieltonoa Layers
When arcana is first introduced, the moon of creation she had was only a crescent moon.
Chapter 229/230 anos says the power of the crescent moon is less than that of the full one. It's power later increases when it becomes a half moon in chapter 230/231.It basically follows the 4 stages of the moon.

The power of artieltonoa can be strengthened just like how others can increase their abilities power by pouring more magic into it.
It further increases when it's affecting a multitude of people because of because of the amount of life that would be in circulation as the order of creation governs creation, life, reincarnation.
Layers
  • Full moon> less than waning gibbous> half moon> crescent moon.
Each stage can be strengthened by pouring in magic and further more when there's a lot of life in circulation.
Layers= 8 layers normally, 12 layers when life is circulating.
Sargeldonave scales to this as the order of creation and Destruction are equal.

Note:
  • Low tiers= those like zepes, fan union (though fan union have some decent resistances)
  • Mid tiers= those like the 7 elder demon emperor's, subordinate's of the 4 evil kings.
  • High tiers= 3/4 of the 4 evil kings (caihiram, girisilis, eldemade), lay
  • God tiers= not much needs to be said. Those like anos, celis, eges, evansmana, power null from spells like <Theo asc>, etc.
God tiers, some high tiers anti magic can affect 4D abilities.

This is what I've got for now. If you guys have anything else to add, let me know.
 
Tatsumi504 said:
Speaking of anos subordinates from 2k years ago, one of them caught/ dodged eges spear in the 4th arc. Might be an inconsistent showing or something though.
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Chapter? If possible i will add it into my immeasurable speed thread CRT. Actually not really inconsistency because even though it's immeasurable speed it does varies from character to character.
 
Would this give Evansmana a greater power nullification? Since Lay was able to cut a part of the sun of destruction with it (I don't know if he could only cut a part because of the distance)
 
@Dereck03 @Dread @EldemadeDityjon do we have any showings or statements that increasing magic power increases speed?
We already know that they can increase power, strength by increasing magic.
For example anos uses magic power to increase his strength, arcana after devouring gods in the selection trial was physically stronger than shin. She was already strong enough to stop a casual anos who was going to impale ahide.

Arcana at this point had devoured at least 4 gods (God of light Geosseria, God of piercing Beheus, Guardian God of regeneration Nutella de Hiana, Guardian God of dreams/memories Reino ga Roaz).
Merely by fusing with the "time gods scythe" not even the god itself, Ivis got more than a 10x boost. If speed is increased as well, we're basically gonna have arcana and those that scale to her at at least 40x SoL (FTL+).
Can we use this to update the deeper world inhabitants speed calc?
 
Dog3352 said:
I don't know if he could only cut a part because of the distance
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霊神人剣を＜破滅の太陽＞へ押し込んでいたレイが、その爆発をまともに受ける。
滅びの秩序の前になす術もなく彼の手は聖剣から引き剥がされ、そして真っ逆さまに地上へ落ちていく。

Lay, who had been pushing the Spirit God's Divine Sword into the <Sun of Doom>, was hit squarely by the explosion.
His hand is ripped from the sword and he falls headlong to the ground, helpless in the face of the order of destruction.

Or maybe it was because the sword came out of his hand before he could make a better cut, I'm not sure.
 
EldemadeDityjon said:
Chapter? If possible i will add it into my immeasurable speed thread CRT. Actually not really inconsistency because even though it's immeasurable speed it does varies from character to character.
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Not really sure but it was after misa became avos dilhevia. Probably the chapter titled "escape from alharthern, after eges tells anos to go that he'll slow them down.
 
Tatsumi504 said:
@Dereck03 @Dread @EldemadeDityjon do we have any showings or statements that increasing magic power increases speed?
We already know that they can increase power, strength by increasing magic.
For example anos uses magic power to increase his strength, arcana after devouring gods in the selection trial was physically stronger than shin. She was already strong enough to stop a casual anos who was going to impale ahide.

Arcana at this point had devoured at least 4 gods (God of light Geosseria, God of piercing Beheus, Guardian God of regeneration Nutella de Hiana, Guardian God of dreams/memories Reino ga Roaz).
Merely by fusing with the "time gods scythe" not even the god itself, Ivis got more than a 10x boost. If speed is increased as well, we're basically gonna have arcana and those that scale to her at at least 40x SoL (FTL+).
Can we use this to update the deeper world inhabitants speed calc?
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I think lay vs Anos fight in volume 2 has statement for that .
 
Dog3352 said:
"当然、＜破滅の太陽＞から身を守る反魔法や魔法障壁を使うこともできぬ。"

"Naturally, they cannot use anti-magic or magical barriers to protect themselves from the Sun of Doom."

Chapter 448
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Could count, wouldn't really matter when it already has 8-12 layers before Silver sea and 21*uncountable layers after silver sea.

Could probably argue for power nullification negation
 
Tatsumi504 said:
@Dereck03 @Dread @EldemadeDityjon do we have any showings or statements that increasing magic power increases speed?
We already know that they can increase power, strength by increasing magic.
For example anos uses magic power to increase his strength, arcana after devouring gods in the selection trial was physically stronger than shin. She was already strong enough to stop a casual anos who was going to impale ahide.

Arcana at this point had devoured at least 4 gods (God of light Geosseria, God of piercing Beheus, Guardian God of regeneration Nutella de Hiana, Guardian God of dreams/memories Reino ga Roaz).
Merely by fusing with the "time gods scythe" not even the god itself, Ivis got more than a 10x boost. If speed is increased as well, we're basically gonna have arcana and those that scale to her at at least 40x SoL (FTL+).
Can we use this to update the deeper world inhabitants speed calc?
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I assume in fight between Anos vs Lay as Elde mentioned, I can get you after I finish something
 
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