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Maou Gakuin Discussion Thread

Tatsumi504 said:
When is the CRT for lay dropping? If you need help with scans just drop the chapter and I'll make it.

Jerga gonna be buffed. Danmaku ranging from millions to tens of millions. What tier would he be?
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Clairvoyance chapter

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魔王学院の不適合者　～史上最強の魔王の始祖、転生して子孫たちの学校へ通う～ - 虹路の先に

男主人公 魔王 西洋 学園 中世 チート 魔法 主人公最強 コメディ要素 R15 残酷な描写あり
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I will arrange the other scans tomorrow morning. Kinda sleepy now. But this clairvoyance chapter is hard because I don't know how much needs to be translated.

Also if possible translate Anos resisting corruption.
Chapter 304.
 
EldemadeDityjon said:
Clairvoyance chapter

ncode.syosetu.com

魔王学院の不適合者　～史上最強の魔王の始祖、転生して子孫たちの学校へ通う～ - 虹路の先に

男主人公 魔王 西洋 学園 中世 チート 魔法 主人公最強 コメディ要素 R15 残酷な描写あり
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I will arrange the other scans tomorrow morning. Kinda sleepy now. But this clairvoyance chapter is hard because I don't know how much needs to be translated.

Also if possible translate Anos resisting corruption.
Chapter 304.
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Will do.

Edit: you need the entire chapter translated?
 
Finished translating with deepl, now to compare with translations from other sources, fix some grammatical errors, correct usage of pronouns ( don't know every character mentioned so I can't exactly fix all pronouns), Correct usage of names and I'll be done
 
Tatsumi504 said:
Finished translating with deepl, now to compare with translations from other sources, fix some grammatical errors, correct usage of pronouns ( don't know every character mentioned so I can't exactly fix all pronouns), Correct usage of names and I'll be done
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Ayo Nice, do you have premium from deepL?
 
Well guys after about 3 hours of finger breaking, eye straining, sleep deprived, self inflicted, torturous labor, I'm unfortunately saddened to announce I've given up on this shit....

Jk, I finished it. Gonna drop it in parts though
 
@EldemadeDityjon

Holy Sword World Hyphoria. Night.
The workshop at Rainbow Water Lake is filled with the sound of explosions of magic power clashing with magic power.
On the anvil is a spirit godman sword, dyed red with wrought fire <renka> . Ray is gripping the hilt tightly to hold back the black sparks that are overflowing.
Ahead of his gaze is Silk.
Just now, she had been flung away and is falling on her buttocks on the floor.
Black rust has seeped into her sturdy apron, and it is beginning to erode her roots.
It was not the kind of wound that would heal quickly, even if she used recovery magic.
'Silk. Your body will not last much longer. You should remove the rust once and for all.'
Balzarondo said calmly.
'But--'
'...... I see. Sparks and sparks ......."
No words reached Silk's ears.
She stood up with the White shining Hammer in her hand, mumbling something.
Then, she looked straight at the Spirit Divine Human Sword.
It's been the same ever since I started blacksmithing. It is as if she has blocked out the outside world, and that is all she can see.
The sword, the fire, the water and the sound of the resounding mallet are all that Silk can perceive in the world today.
She has been fighting the black rust for almost a whole day and night now, not even thinking about her own body.
'Ray. I'll go harder. Stronger."
With a serious look on his face, Rey responded.
'Roger.'
With a swing of the White shining Hammer <Wiselhan>, Silk reduced her magical power to nothing.
'The White Radiance Hammer, the secret is here...'
The pure white light bunches up and concentrates on the hammer's striking surface.
'Sword Striking Steel <Kendarenkou>!
The Wiselhan is slammed with all its might into the Spirit God Man Sword <Evansmana>. With an ear-splitting roar, a great quantity of black sparks suddenly overflowed.
A torrent of destruction, far stronger than before. Despite this, silk was not blown away this time.
The black sparks clashed with the black sparks and canceled each other out.
Initially, what Silk was trying to do at first was to narrow the range of impact as much as possible and gradually chip away the rust.
However, the rust on the Spirit God Man Sword contained enough power to destroy the world. No matter how thinly or thinly he struck it, it could not be be suppressed.
Therefore, Silk changed his mind and decided to quell both by clashing black sparks with black sparks.
＜The wiselhan struck with the <sword strike steel Kendarenkou> were fixed in place, and the vibrations struck the spirit godman's sword again and again.
By skillfully changing its angle, power and speed, the overflowing black sparks were controlled and counteracted.
This would not be a realm that an ordinary blacksmith could reach.
She is, without doubt, a rare talent, as recognised by Bellamy, former head of the smithing world of Bardilur.
'............ and ......'
Slightly, Lay frowned.
The Spirit God man Sword rampages and Silk pulls away wizelhan.
Sparks can be offset by sparks, but the rust is being knocked out all at once, putting an unimaginable load on Ray's arms.
Like Silk, lay's hands which are exposed to the flying sparks are burned, and above all, they are covered with black rust.
He was already close to his limit and could no longer hold down the Spirit Divine Sword.
'Lay.'
'...... it's okay. I'll hold it down next time. ......'
With a long exhale, Rei grips the hilt of the Spirit God Man Sword with both hands, which are covered in black rust.
'Here we go.'
Silk raises the Wizelhan.
'-- <Sword Striking Steel Kendarenkou>.
As the white shining hammer is struck against the Spirit God Man Sword, and intense sparks flood back. They collided with each other while making violent crackling sounds, and the magic power swirled violently.
Biting his back teeth, clenching his hands and pouring all hus magical power into it, Rei held the Holy Sword down.
It remained like that for several tens of seconds, and then Silk raised Wizelhan again.
Three times, the holy hammer strikes the sword.
The amount of sparks overflowing increases, as if she is gradually getting the hang of it, and the vortex of magical power that is generated when the sparks are offset injures Rei's body.
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The Spiritual Divine Human Sword began to tremble on the anvil.
'Ku......oo......!!!'
As you would expect from Ray, it's not going to be easy anymore.
The wear and tear on silk, who has to hammer meticulously, is significant, but lay that continues to hold down the impact is damaged physically.
The black rust reodes him, and the vibrations of the blows from the mallet and the shockwaves caused by the collision of the black sparks made it impossible for him to hold down the Spirit God Man Sword.
Just when Silk was about to withdraw the mallet, thinking that he had reached his limit, she heard a loud, "Never mind.
'Don't worry, just hit as hard as you can.'
Next to lay, Balzarondo gripped the hilt of the spirit godman sword.
'The two of us can withstand any kind of impact.'
The fact that he owned the hilt meant that he was also the one chosen by the Spirit Divine Human Sword. Even if he gripped the hilt tightly, he would not be rejected by the Holy Sword.
'Thank you.
No need to thank me."
They exchange a few glances, and then both grip the hilt of the sword.
After a few dozen seconds of enduring the violent tremors that occur, Silk pulls the mallet back again and swings it down without a moment's pause.
After doing this several times, they place the Spirit Gods' Human Sword in a kneading water brine to compensate for the lost magical power. Heat it hot again with a wrought fire, place it on the anvil and strike the sword with wiselhan.
As explained at the beginning, the rest is a repetition of the process.
Silk, Ray and Balzarondo's consciousness was simply focused on striking the sword.
Soon, the spirit godman sword begins to change.
An unprecedented radiance began to leak from the sword's body.
The light is even whiter than white, shimmering like a rainbow.
What was emitted was indeed a white rainbow.
Every time the White Shining Hammer is swung down, the rust falls off and the radiance increases.
And then -...
Silk, who had continued to strike the sword with all her heart, lowered the white shining hammer to the floor.
She drew a magic circle and took out Arzenon's claws.
'Let go.'
As told by Silk, Ray and Balzarondo let go of the hilt.
She gently touched the sword blade of the Spirit Godman Sword and placed the Arzenon claws there. As if in repulsion, white sparks are produced.
Tracing with her claw, she sharpened the blade at once. Even though sparks of fire overflowed so much that the sword became obscured, she did not rest her hand.
The more she sharpened it, the brighter it shone, and the more she sharpened it, the more it sharpened Arzenon's claws.
Then, just as she thought she saw a large amount of sparks, the claws were severed in half and fell out of Silk's hand in tatters.
She let out a small breath and plopped down.
'...... done.'
Silk lifted the hilt and blade of the Spirit Divine Human Sword and quietly placed it in the vat of kneaded water.
A dazzling light instantly illuminated the workshop.
The Spirit God Man Sword emerged by itself from the vat of water.
It was the same as in Pablo Hetala.
As if enveloped by its radiance, lay and the others are isolated in a space of light.
A white rainbow, which had not been there before, could be seen.
Directly beneath it was Evansmana, where a woman dressed in royal attire stands.
She holds a fetters in her mouth, a brush in her right hand and a wooden letter in her left.
She is Dionatek, the Heavenly Spirit King.
She moves her brush slowly.
'......Towards the end of this rainbow road............'

A tranquil voice sounded.
'...... there are people waiting for help......'
The space of light faded away and the area reverted back to the workshop.
At the same time, the Heavenly Spirit King disappeared.
A white rainbow shoots up into the sky from the Spirit God Man Sword.
It passes through the chimney, creating a pure white path that draws a straight line.
Lay slowly looked up at the sky.
'Is that ......?'
'It's a rainbow path. The Celestial Spirit King Dionatek must have told you to aim for that end.'
'Yes,' Barzalondo replied.
They go out of the chimney and out of the workshop.
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The rainbow road crossed the sky and continued beyond the black sky.
'......the destination seems to be outside Hyphoria ......'
Balzarondo said.
'Shall we go?'
Lay sends <Thought Communication Leaks> to the Fan Union girls.
'Ellen. 'Ellen, can you get the train moving?　I have somewhere I want to go.'
Understood!　I'll get it out right away!
Ellen replies.
'There's no Misa, and it's hard to get on the train in hiding, though.'
Lay says with a slightly annoyed look on His face.
'Don't worry about the mess afterwards. Whatever happens, I'll clean it up."
Shin says.
If there are people waiting for help, we can't take our time.
Another day has passed since the Heavenly Spirit King tried to tell him.
'Alright.'
A whistle is heard.
Looking up, the Demon King's train had departed from the Garnzest Hunting Palace and was running through the air.
Rey and Balzarond floated up using<Fres> and headed towards the Demon king Train.
'Lay, I'll open the engine room door.
The engine room door opens.
They entered through it.
Himuka and Kasa were sweating and using shovels to throw coal into the fire chamber.
Because they are not used to it, they cannot achieve significant speeds.
Realising this, Barzalondo approached and extended his hand.
'Let me take over.'
'Yes,......Oh, please,.......'
He took Casa's shovel.
'Turn onto that rainbow path. Full speed ahead.
Roger that."
Under Lay's direction, the demon train entered the rainbow road and ascended straight up that road. In no time at all, it rose to the black sky and went straight out of the Sacred Sword World of Hyphoria.
The rainbow road continued endlessly on the shining silver sea.
There, the Demon Train runs on silver-lit rails.
A silver-water ship with Balzarondo's men came by and ran alongside it.
A few hours later, one small world came into view before them.
But the glow was darker than the silver bubbles they usually see.
'There's no ...... silver light. Looks like a bubble world ......."
Balzarondo says.
'What's the point of the rainbow road if you can't see it?
'Rainbow Road seems to lead there, but I thought you said we weren't allowed to go in there?'
'According to Pablo Hetala law, yes. ...... Even the common sense of the Silver Water Holy Sea says that it is undesirable to interfere with the bubbles. 'Because you never know what might happen when someone with such immense magical power as us enters an unstable world.'
Balzarondo's lips are drawn into a tight line.
'There's no need for you to risk it too. We'll go on our own.'
After a pause, however, Balzarondo said.
'No,...... do not doubt the guidance of the Heavenly Spirit King. I believe this is the right way, even if it means breaking the law.'
Lay nodded.
'Set course for the bubble world ahead. Full speed ahead."
'Yes. Full speed ahead.
The demon king train speeds up and enters the bubble world.
It fixed the rails of the silver light and descended through the black sky.
When it arrived, the sky was pitch black.
It is currently midnight in Hyphoria.
Considering that it is the same here, it is not unnatural that the sky is dark, but there is not a single light on the ground.
No, on the contrary, there was not a single sign of life.
The presence of life was infinitesimally weak.
"It's on the verge of ...... perishing, and it's probably lost most of its ...... fire dew. Not uncommon in the bubble world, I hear."
Balzarondo says.
'I'm going out.'
'Lay is going out. Engine room, open the door.'
'Roger.'
The door to the engine room opens and layy and Balzarondo take to the air.
The Spirit Gods' Sword in Lay's hand began to shine again.
A rainbow path appears in front of them.
The white rainbow continued to the ground.
Lay and Balzarondo look at each other and nod in agreement.
Flying through the sky, they continue along the rainbow path.
Eventually, they see a mountainside.
There is something like a cave.
At its entrance, there is a sturdy-looking door with a magic circle drawn on it.
It was quite old.
'Unlocking di'.
Balzarondo tries to unlock it.
But it did not open.
'...... the door to Bubble World won't open ......?'
Balzarondo raises his eyebrows in puzzlement.
How could anyone in this dying world do such a thing? He could not help but wonder.
'It doesn't sound like anything out of the ordinary.'
Lay holds up his Evans Mana and exhales.
With a flash. The door cracks in half and collapses with a clatter.
'Careful.
'I know.'
The two walk into the cave with their magical eyes.
Inside is dimly lit.
But it doesn't look that big.
'............u......u......'
Lay came to a halt and listens.
He heard a groan.
With his spirit godman sword, he illuminated the interior.
There, lying on the ground, was a skinny old man in rags.
He was so exhausted that he had almost no magic power.
It was a wonder that he even raised his voice, he looked as if he was about to perish.
......a......a......a......a......a......a......a......a......a
The next voice that spilled out was not the old man's, but Balzarond's. He looked astonished.
He looks up in astonishment and gasps in disbelief.
His hands tremble and sweat trickles down his cheeks.
The words spilled out in a plop.
'............ Father ............ on...' .............................. ..."
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I hope that when I go to sleep and wake up in a few hours any CRT will be published, because if not I'm going to downgrade Anos to tier 3-A.
 
One 2A structure ready to be served
Kandaquizorte are the many future of the world it self, it encompasses all futures and possibilities. And the number of futures is infinite, that why its equal to the shape of the world

The future in Kandaquizorte is not just possibilities that can happen, but already exist and set, in the moment the world came to existence. The future is already being realized and contructed by order

The world is plays the dice of god, and what the result is what the world are. Thats mean everything is in possibilities, every action of person will have result

Even the action of one person can make the world perish

「この目が開くとき、ナフタにはすべての未来が見えるでしょう。起こるべきすべての未来が、あらゆる奇跡が、未来神ナフタの手の内にある。あなたの手の隙間から、勝利という未来はこぼれ落ち、抗う可能性すら消え果てる」
　当たり前のように彼女は言う。
「風邪をこじらせて死ぬ者もいる。転んで命を落とす者もいる。あらゆる者が神のサイコロを振り、その結果この世を生きている。ナフタに挑むのならば、あなたを最悪の日が襲うでしょう」
"When these eyes are opened, Naphta will see all futures. All futures, all miracles, are in the hands of future god Naphta. From the gaps in your hands, the future of victory will spill out, Even the possibility of resisting is gone.”
"She says as if it's only natural."
"Some people die from catching a cold. Some fall and die. Everyone plays the dice of God, and lives in this world as a result. If you challenge Naphta, the worst day will come your way."
「カンダクイゾルテは未来そのもの。未来に触れる術はありません」
"Kandakuizorte is the future itself. There is no way to touch the future."
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「＜未来世水晶＞カンダクイゾルテは、この世界の数多の未来、それは世界の形に等しいでしょう。あなたの行いは、世界と自分とどちらが先に滅ぶか比べようというもの。結論は火を見るよりも明らかでしょう」
"<Future World Crystal> Kandakuizorte, is the many futures of this world, it will be equal to the shape of the world. Your action is to compare who will perish first, the world or yourself. The conclusion will be clearer than looking at the fire"
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「ナフタは宣誓します。現在がここにある限り、未来は滅びようとも何度でも蘇る。＜未来世水晶＞を滅ぼすには、あらゆる可能性を滅ぼすしかありません」
"Nafta swears. As long as the present is here, the future will revive over and over again even if it perishes. The only way to destroy <Future World Crystal> is to destroy all possibilities."
「神は秩序だ。代行者もまた同じ存在だろう。未来神ナフタが見る数多の未来は、その秩序によって構成されている。どれだけの力を持とうと秩序たる神には、秩序だった未来を、覆すことはできまい」
"God is order. The agent will be the same. The many futures seen by the future god Nafta, are constructed according to that order. No matter how much power she has, an orderly god cannot overturn an orderly future."
「未来はなに一つ決まってはいません。ナフタの愛とともにそこには無限の可能性が広がり、人々は希望を胸に、よりよい未来をつかみとる。竜騎士団よ、恐れることはありません」
"There is no single future. With Nafta's love, there are infinite possibilities, and people have hope in their hearts and seize a better future. Dragon Knights, don't be afraid. "
 
Fixxed said:
One 2A structure ready to be served
Kandaquizorte are the many future of the world it self, it encompasses all futures and possibilities. And the number of futures is infinite, that why its equal to the shape of the world

The future in Kandaquizorte is not just possibilities that can happen, but already exist and set, in the moment the world came to existence. The future is already being realized and contructed by order

The world is plays the dice of god, and what the result is what the world are. Thats mean everything is in possibilities, every action of person will have result

Even the action of one person can make the world perish

「この目が開くとき、ナフタにはすべての未来が見えるでしょう。起こるべきすべての未来が、あらゆる奇跡が、未来神ナフタの手の内にある。あなたの手の隙間から、勝利という未来はこぼれ落ち、抗う可能性すら消え果てる」
　当たり前のように彼女は言う。
「風邪をこじらせて死ぬ者もいる。転んで命を落とす者もいる。あらゆる者が神のサイコロを振り、その結果この世を生きている。ナフタに挑むのならば、あなたを最悪の日が襲うでしょう」
"When these eyes are opened, Naphta will see all futures. All futures, all miracles, are in the hands of future god Naphta. From the gaps in your hands, the future of victory will spill out, Even the possibility of resisting is gone.”
"She says as if it's only natural."
"Some people die from catching a cold. Some fall and die. Everyone plays the dice of God, and lives in this world as a result. If you challenge Naphta, the worst day will come your way."
「カンダクイゾルテは未来そのもの。未来に触れる術はありません」
"Kandakuizorte is the future itself. There is no way to touch the future."
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「＜未来世水晶＞カンダクイゾルテは、この世界の数多の未来、それは世界の形に等しいでしょう。あなたの行いは、世界と自分とどちらが先に滅ぶか比べようというもの。結論は火を見るよりも明らかでしょう」
"<Future World Crystal> Kandakuizorte, is the many futures of this world, it will be equal to the shape of the world. Your action is to compare who will perish first, the world or yourself. The conclusion will be clearer than looking at the fire"
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「ナフタは宣誓します。現在がここにある限り、未来は滅びようとも何度でも蘇る。＜未来世水晶＞を滅ぼすには、あらゆる可能性を滅ぼすしかありません」
"Nafta swears. As long as the present is here, the future will revive over and over again even if it perishes. The only way to destroy <Future World Crystal> is to destroy all possibilities."
「神は秩序だ。代行者もまた同じ存在だろう。未来神ナフタが見る数多の未来は、その秩序によって構成されている。どれだけの力を持とうと秩序たる神には、秩序だった未来を、覆すことはできまい」
"God is order. The agent will be the same. The many futures seen by the future god Nafta, are constructed according to that order. No matter how much power she has, an orderly god cannot overturn an orderly future."
「未来はなに一つ決まってはいません。ナフタの愛とともにそこには無限の可能性が広がり、人々は希望を胸に、よりよい未来をつかみとる。竜騎士団よ、恐れることはありません」
"There is no single future. With Nafta's love, there are infinite possibilities, and people have hope in their hearts and seize a better future. Dragon Knights, don't be afraid. "
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Agree drop it already. 👍

Btw if you are planning it then do low 2A for nafta & low 1C for bubble world.
 
Fixxed said:
And the number of futures is infinite, that why its equal to the shape of the world
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Remove this part, its not necessary, can cause confusion and lead to downplay.

Everything else looks good except that this will not be accepted until 2-B/2-A bubble is accepted but NAFTA will definitely get 2-A range with Precognition, law & concept manipulation, fate manipulation and power nullification
 
Tatsumi504 said:
Remove this part. Everything else looks good except that this will not be accepted until 2-B/2-A bubble is accepted but NAFTA will definitely get 2-A range with Precognition, law & concept manipulation, fate manipulation and power null
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What are you talking about? Future world clearly contains all future possibilities which doesn't affect real world even all possibilities destroyed. It's literally 2A structure on its own.
 
Guys look what I actually found every demon should get immunity to corruption.

「ふむ。ボルディノスに聞いてなかったか、ヴィアフレア。地上に寄生虫の類は山ほどいるが、決して魔族には寄生せぬ」

　彼女は初耳といった表情を浮かべている。

「なぜだか、わかるか？」

　ヴィアフレアは答えず、回復魔法で傷を癒すのに集中している。

「魔族に寄生すれば最後、その寄生虫は免疫によって逆に支配されてしまうからだ。強い魔力と免疫力を有する魔族に寄生すれば、竜だろうと神だろうとそうなる」

"Hmm. Did Boldinos not tell you, Viafreya? There are plenty of parasites on earth, but they never live among demons."

　She has a look on her face like she's never heard of it before.

"Do you know why?"

　Via Flair does not answer, concentrating on healing the wounds with restorative magic.

"This is because, once parasitized by a demon tribe, the parasite will be controlled by the immune system. If it is parasitized by a demon tribe with strong magical power and immunity, it will be so whether it is a dragon or a god."
 
EldemadeDityjon said:
What are you talking about? Future world clearly contains all future possibilities which doesn't affect real world even all possibilities destroyed. It's literally 2A structure on its own.
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Just wait till you see how it gets downplayed. The best we'll get is low 2-C kandaquizorte, 2-A durability.
 
EldemadeDityjon said:
Guys look what I actually found every demon should get immunity to corruption.

「ふむ。ボルディノスに聞いてなかったか、ヴィアフレア。地上に寄生虫の類は山ほどいるが、決して魔族には寄生せぬ」

　彼女は初耳といった表情を浮かべている。

「なぜだか、わかるか？」

　ヴィアフレアは答えず、回復魔法で傷を癒すのに集中している。

「魔族に寄生すれば最後、その寄生虫は免疫によって逆に支配されてしまうからだ。強い魔力と免疫力を有する魔族に寄生すれば、竜だろうと神だろうとそうなる」

"Hmm. Did Boldinos not tell you, Viafreya? There are plenty of parasites on earth, but they never live among demons."

　She has a look on her face like she's never heard of it before.

"Do you know why?"

　Via Flair does not answer, concentrating on healing the wounds with restorative magic.

"This is because, once parasitized by a demon tribe, the parasite will be controlled by the immune system. If it is parasitized by a demon tribe with strong magical power and immunity, it will be so whether it is a dragon or a god."
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Yeah, can't believe I forgot Anos said this.

Would be resistance not immunity. To get immunity you need to not have the aspect that'll get affected
 
EldemadeDityjon said:
Dude I don't get your logic
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The issue with the structure size always comes back to what range it occupies, that is the distance between the universes.
Kandaquizorte is only a low 2-C structure currently but you need to destroy an infinite number of it to destroy kandaquizorte.
There's no distance between the infinite futures so while it might get 2-A dura its size remains the same.

NAFTA could get 2-A with precog, power null, concept, law and fate manipulation but will remain low 2-C if she gets a profile
 
Tatsumi504 said:
The issue with the structure size always comes back to what range it occupies, that is the distance between the universes.
Kandaquizorte is only a low 2-C structure currently but you need to destroy an infinite number of it to destroy kandaquizorte.
There's no distance between the infinite futures so while it might get 2-A dura its size remains the same.

NAFTA could get 2-A with precog, power null, concept, law and fate manipulation but will remain low 2-C if she gets a profile
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You still not understand that NAFTA world containing future in the form of crystal.
 
Tatsumi504 said:
Remove this part, its not necessary, can cause confusion and lead to downplay.

Everything else looks good except that this will not be accepted until 2-B/2-A bubble is accepted but NAFTA will definitely get 2-A range with Precognition, law & concept manipulation, fate manipulation and power nullification
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I dont understand this logic, i mean you cant have 2A range without have 2A structure
 
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