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Big boy cant do profiles on his own or what
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Maki Zen'in VS Mira Yoo • (10-10-1)
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Everyone's already doing a better job at making profiles for verses I'm interested in, Limbus is the only shit I can make profiles for, and I still can't work on my precious Meteor Survivor sandbox.
also youre derailing mods kill him so the thread can continue
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Maki FRA
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Wait why is this match even happening? Mira is either getting one shot or she one shots in different keys.
And what is Maki's counter to this?
And what is Maki's counter to this?
- 35th Dance: Marionettes: A move that uses resonance to strike an opponent from the inside of their body, forcing them to dance around like puppets. The effect of this technique can last hours on end.
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Nothing but goons be playin'.
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Maki resists far greater possession via HR
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Not on page. and this isn't possession, it's dura neg and at most body puppetry.
azontr
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That's not possession. It's durability negation via internal damage. The skill is just called Marionette.
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Can I see scans of the technique? This description
Sounds like it's attempting to force Maki's body to carry out this behavior for an extended period, an addition the namesake.
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She does that anime shit, Like Zoro lion song, Then instead of random cuts, The bones gets attacked making the enemy dance XD
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Mira can’t strike an opponent from the inside without hitting something already stuck inside a body. Like a sword stuck in a shoulder. So that justification needs to be fixed, it still works tho but Maki could just avoid it via precog.
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She can btw. Ignore him.
It only says that because it makes the opponents thrash around because of the damage. When you get hit from the inside, your body starts "dancing" because your getting struck from the inside.
Hence it makes it seem like Mira is "controlling" them when in reality they just dancing around cause their getting their insides attacked and their likely in pain. It's not a technique that actually controls you.
I already sent the scans earlier in the thread so just read back.
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Ahh, I see. Is it true Dura neg? Or just enhances damage via attacking the internals directly? Not that it matters much if the effect is for hours.
If so, it could def be a solid wincon for glasses chan. Why do you see her being able to land this prior to getting her soul slashed given Maki's pre-cog? That's pretty much what it comes down to for me.
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You can read back for all of my arguments and my stances on the way the debate turns out. Me and @Arnoldstone18 had an extensive convo on this thread about it and laid out our stances, and I don't really feel like repeating myself and sparking another potential debate.
Sorry if it seems like I'm just going "uhhh read back dumbass" but really all I can say has been said.
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Yeah we can’t come to an agreement on it..
Basically Mira says she needs something stuck in the body so the resonance can affect the body internally. That was her only way to beat someone far more durable. She could use it on the outside of the body on weaker opponents to achieve the same effect. Since Maki is virtually 6x stronger I doubt that would work on her unless she fufilled the conditions Mira herself stated.
Also I addressed Mira’s skill against precog here so Maki could simply avoid getting hit by it.
Basically Mira says she needs something stuck in the body so the resonance can affect the body internally. That was her only way to beat someone far more durable. She could use it on the outside of the body on weaker opponents to achieve the same effect. Since Maki is virtually 6x stronger I doubt that would work on her unless she fufilled the conditions Mira herself stated.
Also I addressed Mira’s skill against precog here so Maki could simply avoid getting hit by it.
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Aight.
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I'm voting Maki for Arnold's reasons. Mira is better skilled but not to the point she dodges everything, dances around Maki, doesn't even clash swords once.
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It’s rare finding a match that doesn’t have Gojo.
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So true
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For the first scan, that's straight up not what Seungcheol says. What he says is "NOW I get the Wave of the Blue Dragon", insinuating that he figured it out immediately AFTER Mori had shattered it. If he already knew the mechanism behind it he wouldn't have acted like he had an epiphany on its functions after seeing it performed in front of him for another time.
It is also true that he himself lacks the skill to do such a thing on his own, but that only makes the feat more impressive in of itself. Seungcheol had to see it multiple times to figure it out + he isn't able to do it himself. Which we know isn't a feat that requires pure physical ability because the Wave of the Blue Dragon involves air flow, something anyone can manipulate or disperse with training.
It is a feat of analysis for Mori to be able to figure out a technique that someone with extremely advanced analysis was unable to deduce immediately, but also unable to actively counter. I don't think that's like, a difficult concept to grasp.
We both know that Mori can adapt to immediately make up for his weaknesses/counters to new moves on the spot, as shown above. Ilpyo being able to still exploit and outmove Mori even after his adaptation to remove his weaknesses is a feat of being able to overcome potent analysis with his own.
I feel like you're kinda of downplaying this feat here. Yes, Ilpyo said part of it was luck but he also figured out the weight and speed of the 6th master despite the fact he'd never even INTERACTED with the thing until then (he was getting his ass kicked elsewhere while Mori defeated it), and while he was busy fighting another opponent so he had basically no reference to go off.
Maki also already knew Naoya's CT, so uh... what? All she did was see that Naoya's Projection Sorcery was split into a certain number of frames, which isnt a skill feat its a SPEED FEAT
"With this body, I can finally see them clearly." She says, then proceeds to punch Naoya in the face before he can counter. Like, what even was your point?
Ilpyo has plenty of prior knowledge on Mira's skills. He was watching all of her teams fights and seeing her techniques, I don't know why you'd say he doesn't have prior knowledge on her when he'd be seeing her fight from the stands and she had fought in several matches prior to this.
Ilpyo and Mira display comparable combat effectiveness throughout the fight. That's why I put them as <= and not saying Mira was straight up superior. Ilpyo's advantage over Mira was that he had a severe Stat advantage and was blitzing Mira throughout the fight, hence she had much more trouble dealing with his attacks, yet she was still able to counter his attacks BEFORE she injured his eye and was able to even do it in the first place.
My point was never that Mira skill stomped Ilpyo or something. My point is that being able to even keep up with him with sword skills is >>>> Maki's prediction. Which, to begin with, isn't even that useful in of itself to the point you are making it out to be, because even 15F Sukuna can manhandle Maki with a stat advantage. Maki's precog isn't some "I can't get hit" garbage. Even people with the same level of precog as Maki still get tagged by people (literally by Maki herself) with superior or comparable stats. It isn't something infallible.
I'm not going to address the rest of this segment because it hinges on the extrapolation that I said Mira had skill stomped Ilpyo or something, which is where me "ignoring context" comes from. I said that she could fight him through sword skills, and she did, she landed hits and blocked attacks. Not that she didn't get hit once. Her BP didn't amp her speed to the point it was not a blitz (Ilpyo still outsped her significantly to the point it still seemed like he was basically teleporting, so yes it was based upon sword skills.
You've shown no skill feats that make Maki seem in ANY WAY more than just a basic manga swordsman. I want you to actually think about how you look right now. You're trying to argue a random Boxer can land hits on Muhammad Ali or Mike Tyson.
Until YOU SHOW that Maki is in any way shape or form comparable to Mira without her precog, which isnt an infallible boon that allows her to ignore people who have comparable or greater speed than she does constantly, it isn't an unreasonable claim to say Mira will dance around Maki.
1. Maki has never broken the ground to gain a balance advantage over an opponent. This is not a strategy that she has ever employed in a fight.
2. If she removes her katana then she loses her dura neg, meaning she's no longer one shotting Mira meaning part of her leverage is gone. Mira could probably get rid of the sword anyways with her superior LS to begin with but Maki literally getting rid of it herself would just make that easier.
I'd also like to say Maki does not have superior stamina or endurance to Mira. Maki suffered some injuries from fighting Ogi then effortlessly defeated the entire Zen'in Clan. Mira got her ass beat severely by a physically superior opponent after suffering previous wounds and still fought on without a significant durability amp. At best, I'd say their endurance is comparable.
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I’ll address all of these in a couple of hours.
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Wtf is that character design
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Yongje cooked.
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best girl FRA
Mira.
Mira.
