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Major Mortal Kombat Revision Part II

FantaRin_The_First said:
I refuse. And if you do it yourself, I'll be very, very (mildly) bothered by it, xD.
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I bring news. My calcs got approved... but had to do stuff that lowered the Blaze cloud Calcs... Both of those cloud are now Town level - 7-to-8 Kiloton range, if you want exact numbers. Actually consistent with Raiden's feat, imo, so less chance for 'em to be considered outliers. Also, the mid end of my non-cloud calc was accepted, so if the cloud stuff is rejected Midway MK might just be High 8-C... at least for the armageddon cast.
 
Dust_Collector said:
So 9-A to 8-C for the cast pre-armageddon, then 7-C (High 8-C if cloud stuff is rejected) for the cast during armageddon correct?
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That's correct, more or less.
Ecstasy_Amphetamine said:
So that seems to be the last of the feats we have, so where do we go from here? Scaling?
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That, and profiles... Btw, how is your progress on the Midway profiles, Esctasy? I know you are working on a good chunk of 'em. I can help out to speed the process if it is needed.
 
FantaRin_The_First said:
That's correct, more or less.

That, and profiles... Btw, how is your progress on the Midway profiles, Esctasy? I know you are working on a good chunk of 'em. I can help out to speed the process if it is needed.
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I haven't worked on the 15+ profiles for a while, they have apparently complete p&a sections and sources for each power but no stats, since during that time we were still calcing feats
 
You have a sandbox for the profiles you're working on? Would like to see the progress you made on them if you don't mind
 
Oh, ye. I remembered I pointed out Stryker noticed, moved and tossed Kabal away while he was in mid-dash, so if the MHS+ stuff doesn't work out, we can list out the kombatants' speed as Subsonic Combat Speed and Reactions if push comes to shove.
 
Before I begin I want to know if the new feats of 7-C MK are acceptable. I'm editng Sub-Zero's profile right now and I'm a bit confused on what rating to give him in his key when he had the Dragon Medallion and his amplifying armor, which is in Deadly Alliance and Deception in between the events of MK1-MK4 and Armageddon

Plus what feats are we using for fighters during the events of MK1-MK4, Deadly Alliance and Deception, and Armageddon?
 
Ecstasy_Amphetamine said:
Before I begin I want to know if the new feats of 7-C MK are acceptable. I'm editng Sub-Zero's profile right now and I'm a bit confused on what rating to give him in his key when he had the Dragon Medallion and his amplifying armor, which is in Deadly Alliance and Deception in between the events of MK1-MK4 and Armageddon

Plus what feats are we using for fighters during the events of MK1-MK4, Deadly Alliance and Deception, and Armageddon?
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The calcs themselves are accepted by CGMs, so ye, they are acceptable to use (plus, we are still in the "building the profile" stage, so not too much to worry), imo. 'Sides, we still have my High 8-C feat to use if you are that worried about it.


The Test Your Might 9-A Feat for MK1-MK4, my 8-C feat for MK: DA and MK: D, and my High 8-C / 7-C feat.

[Tier: At least 9-A | At least 8-C | At least High 8-C, possibly 7-C or just High 8-C/7-C]
 
Ecstasy_Amphetamine said:
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Ecstasy Amphetamine/sandbox3

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An incomplete attempt at making Sub-Zero's profile, there's stats with reasoning now but equipment and na&t section are empty for now. Check it out
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From what I know, the adding exact values for AP/Dura/etc is pretty much a "no-no" cause it breaks up the pace of reading. Also, honestly,I don't think Peak Human movement speed doesn't need to be added (since I don't remember any of the kombatants performing any notable movement speed feats or stated movement speeds), thus, only Subsonic Combat Speed and Reactions should be there. Looks pretty decent, tho.

I might work up my own version of Midway's Sub-Zero profile soon-ish, once I've the time, and we can compare each other, or smth.
 
FantaRin_The_First said:
Also, honestly,I don't think Peak Human movement speed doesn't need to be added (since I don't remember any of the kombatants performing any notable movement speed feats or stated movement speeds)
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Well all the combatants did run towards each other in MK Armageddon, plus this is Sub-Zero so this counts his Slide or Cold Shoulder move
 
Ecstasy_Amphetamine said:
Well all the combatants did run towards each other in MK Armageddon, plus this is Sub-Zero so this counts his Slide or Cold Shoulder move
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Yeah? But again there really isn't anything saying that their running speeds are separate from their combat speed and reactions (or that there isn't anything saying their running speeds are basically at peak human level or those moves from Sub-Zero are really any faster than himself), so I just think putting peak human there is wholly unneeded.
 
Okay, I'm looking forward to your version, I'll remove the Peak Human rating too

Another edit, but I think adding the exact values just makes it more convenient when reading their profiles
 
FantaRin_The_First said:
Yeah? But again there really isn't anything saying that their running speeds are separate from their combat speed and reactions (or that there isn't anything saying their running speeds are basically at peak human level or those moves from Sub-Zero are really any faster than himself), so I just think putting peak human there is wholly unneeded.
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Just because nothing says their running speed is separate from their combat & reaction speed doesn't mean it's automatically on par with the latter two, we mostly keep stuff like travel and combat/reaction speeds separate. Of course we don't need their running speed in there but if we leave it out then their subsonic to massively hypersonic speeds should still only specify that it's combat and reactions.
 
An issue with how I rated Sub (and possibly everyone else)

The feat where Sektor destroys a stone walkway by falling on it happens in Armageddon only because the stage where that happens is only in said game. But I used it in the MKDA and MKD keys for both Sub-Zero and Scorpion. So I might have to remove that from Sub-Zero's Grandmaster key now. The other feat made by Sub-Zero where he freezes four ninjas which is 8-C also happened in Armageddon's Konquest mode, so it seems like he can't have that.

That being said, is there any new feats for Sub and Scorp that I can use for their keys during Deadly Alliance and Deception? (the Grandmaster and Elder Gods' Champion keys respectively) Will they become 9-A instead?

Also, their Base keys are now 0.07 tons (Small Building level) from Scorpion's Toasty fatality vaporizing an entire human body, which is higher than any feat we've calced here.
 
Ecstasy_Amphetamine said:
An issue with how I rated Sub (and possibly everyone else)

The feat where Sektor destroys a stone walkway by falling on it happens in Armageddon only because the stage where that happens is only in said game. But I used it in the MKDA and MKD keys for both Sub-Zero and Scorpion. So I might have to remove that from Sub-Zero's Grandmaster key now. The other feat made by Sub-Zero where he freezes four ninjas which is 8-C also happened in Armageddon's Konquest mode, so it seems like he can't have that.

That being said, is there any new feats for Sub and Scorp that I can use for their keys during Deadly Alliance and Deception? (the Grandmaster and Elder Gods' Champion keys respectively) Will they become 9-A instead?

Also, their Base keys are now 0.07 tons (Small Building level) from Scorpion's Toasty fatality vaporizing an entire human body, which is higher than any feat we've calced here.
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Hmm... the only 9-A feat I've in my calc collection for MK is 29.5670626 Megajoules. So oof. Can't use the toasty feat since, well, it kills and nobody "tanks" it nor does Scorp have any UES system, so... I guess the only hope left is the TYM feats and MK1-MKD just get combined into one key instead of seperate keys or smth.
 
FantaRin_The_First said:
Hmm... the only 9-A feat I've in my calc collection for MK is 29.5670626 Megajoules. So oof. Can't use the toasty feat since, well, it kills and nobody "tanks" it nor does Scorp have any UES system, so... I guess the only hope left is the TYM feats and MK1-MKD just get combined into one key instead of seperate keys or smth.
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Yeah I think that's fine, when I was thinking about the less popular fighters like Li Mei, Dairou and Darrius, I thought they'd only have their Base and Armageddon keys. Most of these fighters in the Midway era didn't have a power boost.

Btw is there a page here in VSB that says what warrants a new key for a character?
 
Ecstasy_Amphetamine said:
Yeah I think that's fine, when I was thinking about the less popular fighters like Li Mei, Dairou and Darrius, I thought they'd only have their Base and Armageddon keys. Most of these fighters in the Midway era didn't have a power boost.

Btw is there a page here in VSB that says what warrants a new key for a character?
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I don't think so. But... I think what qualifies for a "new" key is a. character gets new stats (be it better than before or worse than before) and more optionally b. character gets new abilities or previous abilities improved to some degree.

But am pretty sure it is fine if no new abilities are gained; the only thing that truly matters is a notably stat difference from the previous key.
 
Ah. Let me explain. Basically, Blaze himself (Shao Kahn and the other superpowered warriors like Liu Kang, Raiden, etc) should be outright 7-C for his feat.

However, most of the other kombatants (Johnny, Sonya, etc), while theoretically capable of killing Blaze, still have to deal with the major roadblock that is Shao Kahn one-shotting a bunch of people in the intro and him being the kannon winner armageddon; but they do still have the link of Quan-Chi being fought equally be Jax, thus, a possibly rating is given for them, although, I do think Likely rating is more better in this case now that I think about it.
 
FantaRin_The_First said:
Ah. Let me explain. Basically, Blaze himself (Shao Kahn and the other superpowered warriors like Liu Kang, Raiden, etc) should be outright 7-C for his feat.

However, most of the other kombatants (Johnny, Sonya, etc), while theoretically capable of killing Blaze, still have to deal with the major roadblock that is Shao Kahn one-shotting a bunch of people in the intro and him being the kannon winner armageddon; but they do still have the link of Quan-Chi being fought equally be Jax, thus, a possibly rating is given for them, although, I do think Likely rating is more better in this case now that I think about it.
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Man, splitting the Midway and NRS timelines feels weird but at the same time we have the retcons and everything. But thanks, I'll put it up there in the OP and the reasoning for 7-C MK in the WIP profiles
 
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