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As if Mobile will allow to me to make Blogs.Just make a new thread listing the things we have established here, as well as a blog listing showing the changes.
That' sounds like a you problem.... In all seriousness I could make them when I get the time.As if Mobile will allow to me to make Blogs.
Another Dark Souls 2 enjoyer? Pretty based taste there.I saw this and I'm all in for fixing the whole verse (specially ds2 besto game in the series) since someone posted some stuff I said a while ago.
There are several of us, severalAnother Dark Souls 2 enjoyer? Pretty based taste there.
I mean despite being the odd child in the trilogy i still liked how much variety of content was in itAnother Dark Souls 2 enjoyer? Pretty based taste there.
They are pretty much immortal so there is always a chance.I’m so mad we never see Bearer or Aldia again
like I almost wish it Was the Bearer of the Curse we fight instead of Gael
we are derailing, tho getting in contact with the people that want to fix DS2 would be a good ideaLike deadass they beat the cycle, let's see em.
M3X is a retired CGM, don't jump the gun, man.So that's one Staff Member agreeing with this. Which of the other bosses are gonna be affected by this? Is it everyone Irithyll and beyond or what?
I said that a long time ago when he was still here. I know he doesn't count anymore.M3X is a retired CGM, don't jump the gun, man.
As Ovens says, we don't scale it linearly because everyone scaling directly to the Abyss Watchers is really quite silly.
That said I strongly disagree with Ovens' implication about the strength of dragons given they were fought and killed by normal knights. Gwyn was not responsible for every single dragon kill in the Age of Ancients. Stop this.
I mean we already have the Ashen One at Lord of Cinder level.That would still make the Ashen One Lord of Cinder Level basically right out the gate though since they're an early-game boss fight.
It was literally stated that it took scores of Knights to kill a single Dragon by Gough so they clearly don't scale one to one with each other.
Yeah, but we only have him there at the end of the game for some reason even though he should be 4-C in his Mid-Game Key at the bare minimum since he literally killed 3 LoCs pretty much back to back.I mean we already have the Ashen One at Lord of Cinder level.
Yes, it did, much like it took the Abyss Watchers an entire legion to become Lord of Cinder. So do they scale or not?
You seem to be assuming a canon progression. Only the Abyss Watchers would be necessary to fight prior to the Nameless King, and they're in a very strange position. Strange enough to warrant caution in wantonly upscaling, I feel.Yeah, but we only have him there at the end of the game for some reason even though he should be 4-C in his Mid-Game Key at the bare minimum since he literally killed 3 LoCs pretty much back to back.
The difference here being is that they can literally poor all of their power into one guy unlike the Knights, so at worst only the 2nd Phase Abyss Watcher should be 4-C.
Bro, you literally can't fight the Nameless King before the other Lords of Cinder unless you break how the game was intended to be played by killing the Dancer and Oceiros before anyone else. Why the **** would he be what we scale the Ashen One too when he can't even be fought until you go through a late game area?You seem to be assuming a canon progression. Only the Abyss Watchers would be necessary to fight prior to the Nameless King, and they're in a very strange position. Strange enough to warrant caution in wantonly upscaling, I feel.
The Abyss Watchers are a legion, a legion that may not even entirely be in their gravesite. What we fight are the dregs, the remnants of their legion battling one another. Who can say if that was all? In fact, it seems likely that it isn't, due to the Follower Legion's very existence. So no, I don't feel very comfortable upgrading the Ashen One based on that.
So the argument is canon progression? The game intends for you to end up at the Soul of Cinder. The developers included non-linear paths before then. It's not as though fighting Dancer early is a non-canon glitch or something.Bro, you literally can't fight the Nameless King before the other Lords of Cinder unless you break how the game was intended to be played by killing the Dancer and Oceiros before anyone else. Why the **** would he be what we scale the Ashen One too when he can't even be fought until you go through a late game area?
The Followers weren't the ones who linked the flame, the Abyss Watchers were. They all were Resurrected at the same time from their Graves and then they all ****** off to Farron so yes that is all of them.
When a warrior of Farron fell to the Abyss, the tall, lean Followers, with their hollowed eyes, quiety appeared in groups to hunt them down.
Farron and its Watchers fell to ruin, but the Followers survived as a wandering pack of Hollows.
This would be mid-game ashen one so not as big of a jumpSo the argument is canon progression? The game intends for you to end up at the Soul of Cinder. The developers included non-linear paths before then. It's not as though fighting Dancer early is a non-canon glitch or something.
No shit, homie. But the Followers existence implies the existence of lost Abyss Watchers.
So we objectively do not know how many Abyss Watchers it took to fuel the kiln.
Regardless. I disagree with scaling the Ashen One to the full Lord of Cinder stats by early game.
It may as well be early game. In terms of progression assuming a neutral mindset, the Abyss Watchers are equivalent to the Crystal Sage. We may as well slap 4-C on the Deacons of the Deep.This would be mid-game ashen one so not as big of a jump
No they aren't, the Crystal Sage is in the area before the Abyss Watchers, they and by extension the Deacons of the Deep since they're like 5 minutes away from the Crystal Sage, would be before the Abyss Watchers. Even then, I'm willing to drop 4-C Early Ashen One if we can get 4-C Mid-Game Ashen One since he literally fights 3 Lords of Cinder back to back with only Sullyvan and Wolnir between them.It may as well be early game. In terms of progression assuming a neutral mindset, the Abyss Watchers are equivalent to the Crystal Sage. We may as well slap 4-C on the Deacons of the Deep.
Bro, he literally fights 2 4-C Characters within the same area of the game, he's gotta be 4-C by then. You're literally Stone walling for no reason other than being able to sequence break to fight the Nameless King first which you wouldn't even know about unless you had played the game already. The intended progression is doing him after the first 3 Lords of Cinder because you literally get a cutscene of you being teleported back to Lothric so you can go kill Prince Lothric and thus have access to Lothric Castle's Depths where the emote needed to fight the Nameless King is found.In terms of progression the two are at the same exact point in the game, Farron. Deacons of the Deep are also absolutely not five minutes from Crystal Sage. I do not agree with 4-C mid, no.
Every Boss in the game is called an Heir of Fire which implies they all have the potential to link the First Flame, plus the Ashen One made it to the Soul of Cinder before but just couldn't win at the time since Unkindled are just Undead who failed to Link the First Flame and we know the Soul of Cinder existed at the time because we literally see him dragging away an Undead who failed meaning they would've had to get past him to do it. So the Scaling is far less fucky then you're making it out to be.Not only is this excessively possible, the scaling isn't as nonsensical. We are not forced to assume everyone in the game past a certain point is fully 4-C scaling to literal Lord Souls from the first Age of Fire.
It has everything to do with this, he literally made it to the Soul of Cinder. He had to have been LoC Tier just starting out.The past endeavor of the Ashen One has little to do with the discussion at hand, and I'm not certain why you're bringing it up.
I just want to point out the fact that the literal tutorial boss is a guy who trained his entire life to be a Lord of Cinder and only didn't become one because he was too late.Being an "Heir of Fire" doesn't mean they are all equivalent to the actual Lords of Cinder, it means they have the potential to become one.
That's exactly what I'm arguing.Again, unless you're arguing base game Ashen One is 4-C, then it is irrelevant what the bosses are called.
I forgot to ask btw, when do you think that CRT will be made? It sounds interesting to me.I just want to say that we currently don't scale Dark Souls linearly since it doesn't make sense for some characters to be vastly stronger than others. For example, Oceiros, Dancer, and Dragonslayer Armor would be 4-C.
But I'm currently working on a revision for Dark Souls since someone made it aware to me that the Archdragons wouldn't have survived the war before lightning if they were lower in AP than Gwyn. So expect major scaling changes.