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Major Avatar Stuff

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As the title says. There's some things I wanted to discuss and also request for a bit of hax to be added if possible. So i'll just go right into it.

*Durability Negation

-Interestingly enough, I remembered something that might be notable here. When Korra was facing off against Unavaatu in Republic City (Full Fight here ), Jinora shined her own spiritual energy onto Unavaatu which revealed Raava already regenerating inside of Vaatu's darkness. To get her out, Korra in her spirit form literally reached her hand directly into Vaatu and had Raava come out of him to be fully reborn again. She even did the same thing earlier by placing her hand on his chest and had some of her energy flow through him to search for Raava. Unless something else can explain this, Korra being able to do this would count as negating durability (at least in her spirit form anyway). There's also some more stuff to support this. For one, Unalaq and Korra are both able to purify spirits down to nothing using that special waterbending technique whenever a spirit becomes corrupted (And Korra used this to also get rid of Unavaatu and the Spirit Vines later on). Finally, benders in the show have shown to be able to at least target spirits with their bending like the dark spirits, Raava, Vaatu, etc (and if not for Korra, Unalaq would have used his bending to destroy Jinora's soul).


*Cosmic Awareness

-Should be a given actually. Im not entirely sure if its an avatar thing, but it would seem that the Avatar is able to connect to the cosmic energy of the entire universe through the avatar spirit (Raava is literally the embodiment of Light so it would make sense for her to be a part of the world itself. Same with Vaatu being Darkness). Though It's arguable that only Aang and Korra should get this since those 2 are the only avatars to have ever claimed./shown to have it. Aang has it through his training with the Guru and even explains this here after Azula shot him with lightning. Korra has it through meditating in the Tree of Time (She's not as spiritually talanted as Aang so it would explain why she needs it and when using the tree she had already lost the Avatar Spirit anyway, requiring her to use it.)


*Limited Sealing

-Can also be a thing here, even if limited. The Avatar explicity has the ability to seal foes using their bending. Wan used his bending to seal Vaatu away within the Tree of Time and Korra would have done the same thing if not for Unalaq interfering.


*Reality Warping (Low-Decent) (?)

-Before anyone immediately puts this under the rug, this is for and ONLY for Raava/Vaatu and this is honestly more of a question than a suggestion. Now I went back to bothUnalaq and Vaatu's profiles and under their AP they both list something similar to each other as followed: "was going to cover the world in darkness and then reshape it" . By "reshaping the world" using darkness in that form strongly sounds like Vaatu and Unalaq were going to use a form of reality warping to acomplish this. Of course, this is perfectly fine to reject, im just calling it as I see it.

Thats it for the hax. Now here is some other stuff I wanted to ask and also include.

*Questions:

1.) Why do we not have a profile for Avatar Wan? Sure, of course he is not the strongest of the avatars as Aang, Korra and a few decent more in number have better feats, but he surely and most definitely is not the weakest one. Wan being capable of keeping up, contending with and stopping Vaatu alone should make him superior to any average Avatar in the verse. Any further than that can be debatable as Roku/Kyoshi may be superior to him and Aang/Korra definitely being on a higher level, but I feel Wan is a notable (and definitely important) enough Avatar to have his own page here on the Wiki.

2.) Should we make add a key for Korra to list her Giant Spirit Form? Even if she needs the Tree of Time to use it (debatable) we can always list it as prep and it would seem she's stronger in that form than in her regular form.

Finally.....

Speed Upgrades:

-This will go along with Korras Spirit Form if we decide to make a key for it and its not being scaled to anyone else (except maybe Unalaq's own Spirit Form) for obvious reasons. Now when Korra meditated in the tree and turned into a giant, she left the spirit world through one of the spirit portals. But noted by Korra moments before, Unalaq was attacking in Republic City, a place half-away across the world from where the North/South are. Upon using the portal Korra's spirit form was able to reach republic city and attack Unavaatu at the exact same time in a matter of seconds (for a lowball, the bare minimum should be minutes at least). Of course this is nothing more than travel speed, but even for that Korra's Blue Spirit Form was able to travel from the South Pole all the way to Republic City, which is again halfway across the planet. That should easily be a MHS+ travel speed feat for her in that form (but we may need a calc for it).


That sums up the post. Any thoughts about this?
 
Well I dont think it was just an attack that made a portal. It was also an attack that actually blasted them straight into the spirit world. Durability to survive that should be far above anything Korra has tanked in the series as far as im concerned.
 
ProfessorKukui4Life said:
Well I dont think it was just an attack that made a portal. It was also an attack that actually blasted them straight into the spirit world. Durability to survive that should be far above anything Korra has tanked in the series as far as im concerned.
Wouldn't tearing wholes in reality Be unquantifiable? Greater than anything else in the series sure but we already knew the thing was extremely powerful so it really wouldn't change anything.
 
I understand that and im not looking for an entire tier upgrade in durability but couldnt it still be used to list Korra's durability "possibly far higher" or something of the ladder?
 
ProfessorKukui4Life said:
I understand that and im not looking for an entire tier upgrade in durability but couldnt it still be used to list Korra's durability "possibly far higher" or something of the ladder?
Probably not we already know it's presumably the strongest thing in the series since it's the final boss so it really doesn't make a difference.
 
1) No. This is a Spiritbending technique tied to the Avatar spirits. She can't just reach inside someone and pull out their heart because she's affecting Unalaq's spirit here. That said, Unalaq stated that by using his spiritbending techniques on a person, he can potentially destroy their soul.

2) Being able to detect cosmic energy =/= cosmic awareness. Cosmic awareness is being able to understand and be aware of everything on a cosmic scale. So he'd know if they were aliens on another planet or what a rock would look like on Mars.

3) Sealing is fine, but you have to mention that she needs the Tree of Time and thus can't use it in a normal combat scenario.

4) Not sold on this one. As we talked about on threads involving similar statements with Obito, Raava and Vaatu could just as easily be talking about controlling everything with their dominion over the elements and light and darkness.

5) No one bothered to make Wan's profile or add the giant form to her profile. We can list Korra's Giant Spirit as a form at least.

6) I don't think so. In the scene you've described, Korra touches the band of spirit energy created by the Harmonic Convergence and gets sucked in. Thus she's following the flow of energy rather than traveling under her own power.
 
1. Not exactly what I was going for (the reaching heart thing) but fair I guess. Though there's still the matter of benders being able to hit/decently harm spirits with their bending. And the Jinora thing.

2. Ah I see. Okay I'll stand down on this point. But would being able to sense cosmic energy still be a thing?

3. Deal here.

4. Here I'm not gonna argue it as much as it just looked like it was reality warping given the statement. I'm perfectly fine if it's not that and something else.

5. Sure. If anyone wont make Wans profile or doesnt want to, I can when given the chance if its fine.

6. Yes but its not true in the sense you think it is. It is true Korra uses the portals to go back to the physical world. THAT is not a feat for her its just the doing of the portal. But once coming back into the physical world and going to republic city would it be a speed feat for her form. The spirit portals only bring you back to the North or South poles when leaving the spirit world, not just anywhere you like. So even by using the portals, Korra would have to use her own speed to get from either pole to Republic City quickly to stop Unavaatu, which is halfway across the planet.
 
I don't know if we can quantify travel through the Spirit World for speed.

Otherwise we would quantify Nightcrawler's or Kuroko's teleportation as speed even though they travel through an alternate space to achieve seemingly instantaneous movement.
 
Im sort of confused here.

I definitely agree that traveling through the spirit world isnt and shouldnt be a qualifiable feat. But if Korra is coming back to the North Pole and the travels to Republic City, once leaving the portal, wouldnt that be a speed feat? She's no longer using the portal when doing that. Its her coming from the spirit world to the North Pole when using the portal and then once in the North Pole, she moves to Republic City without a portal. It's like if you use a portal to go to one dimension from another one and once you land you freely move on your own to go to any destination.
 
@Kukui

I was under the impression that the band of Spirit Energy lead Korra into the Spirit Realm, which she used to travel the corresponding part of the band above Republic City.

Correct me if I'm wrong.
 
@Rep

Wait there was a band of spirit energy above Republic City? And for "lead Korra into the Spirit Realm" im sort of confused here by what you mean. Korra was in the spirit world already when she meditiated in the Tree of Time to become a giant blue spirit and then gone through the band of spirit energy from the portals to get back to the North pole in the real world. Unless im mistaking your claim for something else?
 
Since Reppuzan has already replied here, perhaps we should close this thread?
 
Apologies I'm still not entirely clear on the cosmic awareness thing; Repp has confirmed it isn't that but what is it classified as actually?
 
In regards to the Korra speed thing; my memory of that is pretty hazy but if I'm not mistaken she rode the "spirit band" above her to republic city, I didn't get the impression that it was a portal since she actually seemed to be covering actual distance, but I don't feel like it should be scaled to her speed normally (since it requires an external factor)
 
There was a spirit band above Republic City?

And im not sure on that. From what I can tell, Korra in spirit form only went through the portals to get to the North/South pole and then once back in the real world she covered actual distance with her forms speed. Thats the impression im getting, unless was their really a band of spirit energy above the city she used to get there?
 
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