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Major Arceus Downgrade

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I have noticed that Arceus has many abilities that are never explained or he just never shown. Here is the list of those abilities:

-Him being 2b in the first place: His only true feats are keeping up with the creation trio and shaking 2 universes, which would put him only at 2c.

-Chaos manipulation: I know about this being in the creation myth, but it was most likely a metaphor for nothing, not actually being chaos.

-Void manipulation: I get this one but, the boulders floating looked like they were being vaporized more than erased, what even made you think it was any kind of erasure?

-Time stop: The whole golden aura freezing time stuff was most likely just telekinisis, you can even hear pokemon noises and Ash and Dawn's facial expression change!

-Spacetime manipulation:He never showed this, and creating something doesn't make you have the abilities of that something.


Hopefully you agree with my points, and if not, please explain why because I would like to know. Talk amongst yourselves!
 
Anyway, I agree with Saikou as of now.

Also, for the tier, have you read the reasoning at all?
 
Either way, Cal is here and is likely typing a reply as we speak. So it will be time to get serious soon.
 
This cant be serious.

Specially the 2-B thing.

"(Controls all universes in the Pokémon series, of which there are an unknown amount of diverging timelines and pocket realms."

Like, seriously. You have the justification right there.
 
Yes, there are countless Ultra Wormholes for the realms of not only Ultra Beasts but other Legendary Pokemon as well.
 
See, I was gonna use this to let out inner anger, as a sense of catharsis, but I'm thinking, "No. He seems like a nice guy. I'm not gonna do that to him." So I'll respond politely.

One, everyone else explained.

Two, you're right about it being another term for nothing...which is the whole point in another revision of mine in which Arceus is made of nothingness and therefore has mid Godly regen and abstract existence. Though, primordial chaos and nothingness are synonymous.

Three, the void thing is indeed a subject for debate. Fortunately, it's far from the only thing Arceus has for it's reasoning. I'm actually surprised I had to put this in recently.

Four, aside from the fact that a good amount of things are upscaled from the trios (we'll get to that later), you can do a local tier stop without problems. He could stop whatever without stopping the humans.

Five, that would be the case...if the CT and LT weren't literally a part of him at one point of time until he made them from himself. It was more than simply just shaping them. They're aspects of him.
 
@Saikou , The erasure happening in the darkrai movie was stated to actually transportation to another dimension, not actual erasure, and Dialga and Palkia created Spacetime, not him.
 
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@Saikou , The erasure happening in the darkrai movie was stated to actually transportation to another dimension, not actual erasure, and Dialga and Palkia created Spacetime, not him.
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You have a source?
 
The first 40 lines mentions all is collapsing as opposed to dimensional transportation. Besides, the Japanese text?
 
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The pokedex stated how dialga and palkia stabilize the spacetime continuum with every breath/heartbeat.
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That doesn't disprove erasure or prove dimensional transportation. That's just their dex entry.
 
Well, what made you guys think it was Spacetime erasure in the first place, the blue dots the debris turn into show something more like desintegration or them being dissolved into the air. I'm not trying to offend you, I just want to know".
 
Ambrosia and duck sauce said:
@Dragon , That was proof of them creating the spacetime continuum, not erasure.
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Them creating the multiverse and them erasing things in the Darkrai Movie are two different events.
 
I said the boulders was debatable. Not the void manipulation. Even if both, the boulders and Palkia and Dialga's feat is debunked, Arceus still created the Distortion World, is made of a coalesced void, and created and restored worlds from a void or were voided by causality.
 
Also in the games the distortion caused by Dialga's presence was erasing all things from existence.

"Now all will end. And everything will begin. With this Red Chai I will pry open the portal to another dimension. I command that you unleash all your power for me... DialgaD/PalkiaP the mythical Pokémon and the master of timeD/space and dimensionsP! This will bring about the destruction of all things. With everything gone, there will be no fighting and no strife. Can you feel time distorting? Only I can choose to stop itD/Feel the dimensions distorting... Only I can stop itP. This is the mythical Pokémon that created Sinnoh! DialgaD/PalkiaP the ancient deity of timeD/space and dimensionsP! This world cannot be molded into the ultimate world I seek! It's far easier to create an entirely new world than to change this one! A new world in which I am the ruler of all things! I shall become a deity!"

Diamond-Pearl Spear Pillar 3
 
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