Magical Girl Raising Project Upgrade

[Matthew_Schroeder]

A6, you have brought no real, conclusive Lightspeed feats other than the OP. You also brought no other feat above Hypersonic+. You repeatedly insult people who disagree with you and want to silence the discussion.

Just stop.

 

[A6colute]

She raised the blade before the beam came out.

She held her crescent blade straight in front of her

So, beam of light must cut her right after her blade. But it never happens. Therefore she dodget it.

 

[Kepekley23]

Obviously. Because a laser is a concentrated energy. Literally. And concentrated energy can kill you.

A laser can't kill someone on contact. It carves as it goes along.

We talking not about real life lasers (which cannot be applicated in direct combat), but about science fiction lasers.

Star Wars lasers used to be Mach 5 before direct statements came along to suggest lightspeed.

Also, you're backtracking. The entire point of you bringing up the possibility of it being a laser was to try and get around the Light Dodging Feats page.

 

[Kepekley23]

So, beam of light must cut her right after her blade. But it never happens. Therefore she dodget it.

You're ignoring the next sentence: "putting herself in a form that'll fall on her back."

She was in a position where it wouldn't hit her, which is why she is still daydreaming about the beam and wondering what it even is in the next paragraph. Not the sign of someone who could dodge it.

 

[A6colute]

A laser can't kill someone on contact. It carves as it goes along.

If a diameter of a beam is enough, than it can kill you, if hits in head/heart.

 

[Kepekley23]

Except real lasers don't blast the ground apart and leave big clouds of smoke.

What is the proof this is real light?

 

[Antvasima]

I do not personally have any particular opinion about this, but would greatly appreciate if everybody would please make a serious effort to calm down and try to maintain a polite and reasonable tone towards each other. This is just a discussion about fictional character statistics, not a life and death struggle.

I am going to bed now, and would be very grateful if everybody try their best to behave in a responsible manner appropriate for our positions. Thank you.

 

[Uradelbauer]

The laser needs to go through flesh/bone for that first though.

 

[A6colute]

She was in a position where it wouldn't hit her, which is why she is still daydreaming about the beam and wondering what it even is in the next paragraph. Not the sign of someone who could dodge it.

The beam continued to shoot. The place Inferno was standing before had sand smoking in its place.

The place Inferno was standing before had sand smoking in its place.

The place Inferno was standing before

So, she moved to another place faster, than beam can hit her.

 

[Reppuzan]

@A6colute

And you still haven't proved that said beam is as fast as light, meaning that this is unquantifiable.

 

[Kepekley23]

"Not to mention, being hit with that beam means death. She shot without hesitation. There's no mistaking that the power of that beam is something that could kill her. If not, at least serious burns, not simple injuries."

It definitely doesn't behave like a real laser.

 

[Antvasima]

@A6colute

As you know, I greatly appreciate all of your help with this wiki ever since I was first appointed as a bureaucrat, so I do not want to offend you in any way, but we have developed a standard page for Laser/Light Beam Dodging Feats. If a feat fulfills the requirements listed there, it is acceptable.

 

[Antvasima]

I am hoping that this thread will have calmed down rather than blown up when I wake up tomorrow.

 

[A6colute]

Also, author stated, that she is accumulating a sunlight and releases it later as beams of light:

It wasn't just the warmth of the light that was dazzling. That light was sunlight itself. It was necessary for Marika Fukuroi, yet she came all the way underground. She had received sunlight now, and more than that, she had a Magical Girl radiating that sunlight intensely behind her back.

Mimi was planning to buy her time until Marika's flowers bloomed. It was Mimi's job to buy time for that selfish poisonous girl. Her job ended instantly. It wasn't just the warmth. That light was the real, blinding light of the sun. The sunflower bulged at an explosive speed, glowing brighter as it did.

"SOLAR HEAVEN!"

Mimi knew what was about to happen. Marika also knew that Mimi would tell her newly delegated ally what would happen. Mimi instantly tackled the new ally they had, covering her body down in the sand.

The light began to shoot out.

This wasn't the mysterious Magical Girl's sunlight. This light continued to accumulate slowly, until Marika released the energy she had stored up to her limits.

Or sunlight is not a real light too?

 

[A6colute]

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1dw2DiybvCaC32qRB9BVK3ExLOv5h5Emce1cmPF5aI6k/edit

 

[Reppuzan]

@A6colute

Having one attack be sunlight isn't the same as having another attack be sunlight.

Plus no one dodged it in this scene. The narration explicitly states that Mimi knew what was going to happen and made preparations before the attack fired.

You can't make general statements like these.

 

[Matthew_Schroeder]

Author Statements aren't worth anything. Does anyone dodge this magical sunlight? Why would her normal speed and other attacks scale to it? How fast is she in relation to everyone else? How many feats?

You deliberatedly cut context.

 

[A6colute]

Having one attack be sunlight isn't the same as having another attack be sunlight.

But this is a same attack. She uses different flowers for different attack. And for beams of light she uses a sunflower in both cases.

 

[Kepekley23]

"Mimi knew what was about to happen. Marika also knew that Mimi would tell her newly delegated ally what would happen. Mimi instantly tackled the new ally they had, covering her body down in the sand."

So, this passage reveals they aren't light-timers and need to stop the attack before it is even fired.

 

[Matthew_Schroeder]

It really isn't. The original feat you posted doesn't describe it as a literal ray of light, and it was aim dodging.

 

[Antvasima]

It is even more late in the evening for you than for me A6colute. Perhaps it would be better to go to bed and return to this when you are well rested?

 

[A6colute]

So, this passage reveals they aren't light-timers and need to stop the attack before it is even fired.

Because their bodies cannot move on those speeds. This thread is only about REACTION speed. Not movement speed.

 

[Kepekley23]

But they didn't react to it, they stopped it from being fired. If the passage said the attack was fired and they were seeing the light in slow motion, you'd have a point. But it doesn't say that.

 

[Uradelbauer]

Don't you need to move to react?

 

[Kepekley23]

Although, I'll give you the attack speed. Seeing as the character states that plants used the attack's light to broom and they used a mirror to reflect it.

Not the reactions, though.

 

[Matthew_Schroeder]

Aimdodging, A6. That's what happens. They can neither move nor react at lightspeed. You debunked yourself.

 

[A6colute]

But they didn't react to it, they stopped it from being fired. If the passage said the attack was fired and they were seeing the light in slow motion, you'd have a point. But it doesn't say that.

Evasion was in another episode.

 

[Kepekley23]

Except Inferno dodged a different attack.

 

[Kepekley23]

The only thing I agree with so far is Lightspeed attack speed for the character who fired the Solar attack.

 

[ALRF]

What Kep said

Lightspeed attack (though it looks like she needed some time to power it up) for said character who throwed the attack is legit. And that's all

 

[A6colute]

Except Inferno dodged a different attack.

Why different? Different flowers - different attacks. Same flower - same attack. Marika used a sunflower in both cases.

 

[Kepekley23]

Was that actually stated in the series?

Pisces Aphrodite from SS can use the same flower for different attacks, as can the other Gold Saints (with their own elements and objects). So the same object doesn't have to mean the same attack.

Also, the Solar Heaven attack took a lot of preptime. The beam of light Inferno dodged was an effortless afterthought. That hints at the attacks not being the same.

 

[Kepekley23]

To top it off:

"The flower petals opened wide in a large circle. Only the tips of the flowers were dyed in thin purple, the rest were completely white. Inferno had no interest in flowers, so she didn't know their names or types. However, she could feel a tingling sensation in her spine."

Inferno dodged a beam from a purple, unknown flower.

"It wasn't just the warmth. That light was the real, blinding light of the sun. The sunflower bulged at an explosive speed, glowing brighter as it did."

Here the girl used a sunflower to fire the attack, and the words "sunlight", "light of the sun", "real and actual sunlight" are repeated many, many, many times.

Def'ly not the same.

 

[GoldenScorpions]

Not sure if this will add anything, but there are two instances of "light beams" in Volume 2. Here #1 and Here #2

 

[Reppuzan]

Example 1: Light beam expands from point of origin. Not a property of light.

Example 2: The beam splits in two on its own without passing through another substance or any other medium for it to refract, bend, or split.

They still don't act like light.

 

[Kepekley23]

Well, the sun attack is real light, since it could be used as an energy source by flowers and it reflected on a mirror. So I see no problem with Lightspeed Attack Speed to the Magical Girl who fired it.

 

[GoldenScorpions]

Example 2: The beam splits in two on its own without passing through another substance or any other medium for it to refract, bend, or split.

Incorrect. Someone else splits the beam in two with an immaterial sword slice. Not by itself

 

[A6colute]

Example 2: The beam splits in two on its own without passing through another substance or any other medium for it to refract, bend, or split.

That beam was splitted by another MG ability, which can split everything.

 

[Matthew_Schroeder]

>can split everything

NLF that means nothing.

 

[Kepekley23]

Your passage states the light was split and tackled someone next to the Magical Girl. That implies the light bent instead of continuing to travel on a straight line.