Magi revision

[Tincan123]

So right now we have magi characters who have resistance Fate Manipulation, Soul Manipulation and Mind Manipulation because they were unaffected by Sinbad rewriting the system of Ruhk, which governs the fate and souls of everyone in the world and altered their minds). However there is a problem with the Mind Manipulation and Fate Manipulation.

A Ask yourself this how is it possible that https://www.***********.net/magi/247/10 members Al-Thamen who are Fallen into Depravity can still be affect by Belial 'Low 6-B Mind manipulation and be completely unaffected by the Sacred Place High-2-A Mind Manipulation.

The solution i prepose is this remove the resistance to Mind manipulation for charaters who were unaffected by Sinbad rewriting the system of Ruhk and instead of keep resistance to Mind manipulation for charaters who were show te resist Belial Memory Manipulation For examples Aladdin and Alibaba and https://www.***********.net/magi/244/13 [Judar and Hakuryuu].

B instead of charaters having resistance to Fate manipulation because the were unaffected by Sinbad rewriting the system of Ruhk it instead it should be Acausality type 2 or 4 or even both based on these facts:


- The Sacred Place is a systeem that controls the the flow of the Ruhk. As long as the Sacred place exist some will always be in control of the ruhk and if it didnt exit it would the world would be like the Dark continent were there is no influnece of great power so no one controls the ruhk


- Those who go against Fate are Fallen into Depravity thus making them immune to the Ruhk Systeem of the Sacred Place.


- Sinbad later even stating that he couldt predict the future anymore.


Quick summary:

- Removal to resistance Mind Manipulation from Sinbad rewriting the system of Ruhk and instead keep resistance to Mind Manipulation who resist Belial Memory Manipulation.

- Change resistance to Fate manipulation to Acausality type 2 or 4 based on the scans


Info about the Ruhk:

Ruhk guidance is Fate

How magic works and the Ranks

More Hogwarts stuff and more more even more and this

Matal Mogamett talking about the Ruhk

Ugo world theory https://***********.online/manga/magi/226/18 https://***********.online/manga/magi/226/19

Solomon Wisdom and the Sacred place https://***********.online/manga/magi/255/5 https://***********.online/manga/magi/255/6

 

[Antvasima]

You can use the Magi verse page to find members to ask to comment here.

 

[-BANLK-]

It has been a long time since I have read magi, I don't really remember much to be helpful. Though from what little I remember, this seems alright.

 

[Antvasima]

Okay. Thank you for the input.

 

[SinsofMan]

Unsure for the first one. For the second one it seems fine. I think Type 4 is probably best.

 

[Tincan123]

Bump

 

[Antvasima]

You can use the Magi verse page to find members to ask to comment here.

Have you done this?

 

[Tincan123]

Yes.

 

[Antvasima]

A) This seems fine.

B) I am uncertain. Perhaps it would be better to not list either Acausality or resistance to Fate Manipulation.

 

[SinsofMan]

A. Is technically fine... But the sacred palace rewrite didnt effect those who fell into depravitiy because it was High 2-A. It was just Black Rukh is not part of or even used in the Sacred Palace. It doesnt seem like to be an issue of PIS or whatnot, just worldbuilding

Those who resist the memory rewrite from Belial get the same resistance and those who can resist the Sacred Palace seem to be two different issues basically.


B. Fine still? I am unsure still which type, but I think 4 is best. The Flow of Rukh and Causality is akin to just rejecting Fate or Manipulating Fate in unforseen ways. It also really isnt per se combat applicable unless you manipulate Fate itself.

Idk, I have caveats. I need more scans for this one. Especially since my knowledge of Magi Rukh is no longer as good as it used to be. So I could have missed something.

 

[Antvasima]

Thank you for helping out.

 

[Tincan123]

@SinsofMan

Ruhk guidance is Fate

How magic works and the Ranks

More Hogwarts stuff and more more even more and this

Matal Mogamett talking about the Ruhk

Ugo world theory https://***********.online/manga/magi/226/18 https://***********.online/manga/magi/226/19

Solomon Wisdom and the Sacred place https://***********.online/manga/magi/255/5 https://***********.online/manga/magi/255/6

I hope this helps you out.

 

[Tincan123]

Bunp

 

[Tincan123]

Bump

 

[Antvasima]

Can somebody remind me of our conclusions here?

 

[Tincan123]

Sinsofman ask for more scans about the Ruhk and i responed with giving him some scans. Gonne ask more knowledge memebers to put their input on this.

 

[Antvasima]

Okay.

 

[HST_Master]

Sins seems to make sense on the Mind Manipulation but changing the Fate Resistance to Acausality type 4 seems solid enough to me.

 

[Firephoenixearl]

Ok so:

1. So they tanked a High 2-A mind hax, but were affected by a Low 6-B mind hax? Is that it?

2. I don't get why it would be acausality tbh. What's saying that they are within different rules of causality instead of just resisting the fate manip from Ruhk?

 

[M3X_2.0]

Random members were affected by Mind Manip, this doesnt mean all characters shoupd be downgraded too. Completely disagree with this

 

[Tincan123]

@Firephoenixearl

1. Short anwser yes

2. Look op the info about the ruhk on the page.

 

[Tincan123]

@M3X

And B ?

 

[Firephoenixearl]

@Firephoenixearl
1. Short anwser yes

2. Look op the info about the ruhk on the page.

1. Which one of them was treated more seriously? As was one of them like a big part of the plot of the arc while the other just something that happened?

2. Yeah i still don't get it. Ruhk is like "fate" or something, Simbad rewrote it, and they were unaffected?

 

[M3X_2.0]

1. Which one of them was treated more seriously? As was one of them like a big part of the plot of the arc while the other just something that happened?

2. Yeah i still don't get it. Ruhk is like "fate" or something, Simbad rewrote it, and they were unaffected?

Of course the Sacred Palace. It is the major plot of the series, Belial Mind Manip is just an abilitie with no hype

 

[Firephoenixearl]

I would say keep the High 2-A resistance and have Belial's mind manip be an outlier then. Unless Belial's mind manip can scale to High 2-A via mind haxing them.

 

[Iapitus_The_Impaler]

The main issue I have with 1 is that I'm not sure which one would be the outlier

 

[M3X_2.0]

It would be an outlier for Al Thamen members, they are like... fodder.

 

[Antvasima]

Can somebody ask SinsofMan to comment here again via his message wall?

Also, it would be useful if somebody asks a few administrators and discussion moderators to help out here as well.

 

[SinsofMan]

snip

TataHakai has done calcs for Magi, he isnt a discussion mod/administrators but he might have read the series.

Also, I am unsure what we are talking about here tbh.

Can someone pls summarize?

 

[Antvasima]

You asked for some scans, and Tincan provided them.

 

[SinsofMan]

Then yeah. Seems fine. Rukh = Fate.

I am fine with all of the revisions proposed.

 

[Antvasima]

Okay. Thanks.

I suppose that this should probably be fine to apply then.

 

[Tincan123]

I applied the edit so this can be closed

 

[Antvasima]

Okay. Thank you.